"Ancient Alien' ideas because Church alienated from its heritage

SummaScriptura said:

Zecharia Sitchen? Never read anything about him until your post. Erich von Danniken's "Chariot's of the Gods?" predates him. If you think the Ancient Alien ideology is all about one man you are mistaken. Then there is Graham Hancock. He represents an entirely different strain. He would oppose a lot of Danniken and Sitchen's ideas.

No. You're quite wrong. It is a movement. A modern-day mythology. It's not winding down nor going away any time soon.

The Church turned its back on its heritage in the Book of Enoch, due to the Church's commitment to neo-Platonic philosophy (and Manichean influence). Augustine to thank for that. He just couldn't buy anymore the Jewish idea that angelic spirits could be flames at time, spirits at times and men with bodies at times.

Believers had the answer to explain a lot about the megalithic civilizations which have left a legacy in stone on our planet. But we turned our backs on it. This created a cultural referential vacuum. This vacuum is now being filled up by the new mythology.

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The bible, among other things, is a book, of course, a very large book in this case written by many authors over a long span of time for varying reasons and purposes covering many different topics; the bible simply becomes an easy target for manipulation and misinterpretation. And there will always be unbelievers and there will always be interest in conspiracies and the sensational and the mystical and anything that might explain our origins. The combination of these facts means that some people will interpret the bible as they want, as they see fit, as conforms with their agendas or musings or wishful thinking, regardless of any particular actions or inaction taken by the Church. Even believers may do that at times for that matter, in their own way.

On top of that, hermeneutics is not an easy, slam-dunk process. The actual historical context of ancient writings along with the literary devices used by the author, etc, makes knowing his intention not always an easy task to begin with.

SummaScriptura said:

I have no reason to believe in aliens ancient or otherwise visiting planet earth, so I have no interest in engaging you on the subject. I agree though, the Bible does not preclude it.

I do believe that antediluvian relics remain on earth, certain of the many worldwide megaliths (not all) seem to qualify. The extremely long lives of the antediluvians, their giagantism which would seem to imply they had super-human powers, as well as assistance by the angels that sinned is one way to explain almost all of it.

Were they aliens? Well sort of. Terrestrial ones.

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In Psalm 18, David calls the demons "sons of aliens", who come out of their strongholds (humans they inhabit), when they see Jesus.
BTW: the fallen watchers did teach their offspring, and fallen Adam persons, many "high" technologies, among which was how to build chariots and fuel them for space travel, and how to build weapons of mass destruction.
One place to check out what was going on before the flood: Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge?

yeshuasavedme said in post #24:

One place to check out what was going on before the flood: Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge?

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Also maybe even long before Adam?

For example, the Bible nowhere teaches about "Atlantis", but it does suggest that there have been past civilizations on the earth, before our current civilization which began after the creation of Adam about 4000 BC.

For Ecclesiastes 1:10 suggests that all of the things which we think of as being new inventions (e.g. computers, jets, atomic weapons) were also invented during past civilizations on the earth. And Ecclesiastes 1:9 suggests that we are not the last civilization which will be on the earth.

And Ecclesiastes 1:11 suggests that there is a complete break between earth civilizations, so that there is no record left of previous civilizations. This could be accomplished by God completely melting the surface of the earth between civilizations, so as to completely obliterate all of the works of the intelligent creatures who lived during each civilization (cf. 2 Peter 3:10-13). Because the planet earth itself must last forever (Ecclesiastes 1:4), each new civilization could unfold on what could be called a "new earth" (cf. Revelation 21:1) in the sense of a new surface of the earth, on which a newly-created race of intelligent creatures can begin to build its works.

SummaScriptura said:

If you have information you'd like to put forward, please do. Otherwise, opinions don't add anything to the discussion.

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"Enoch" is rife with arrant falsehoods. Why anyone would give it any creedence at all is beyond me. If I want fantasy I'll read Tolkien. At least no one that I know of is trying to claim that the Silmarillion is holy writ.

SummaScriptura said:

ignorance in the Church and culture in general concerning the events before the flood.

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There was no global flood, so these arguments are irrelevant.

yeshuasavedme said:

In Psalm 18, David calls the demons "sons of aliens", who come out of their strongholds (humans they inhabit), when they see Jesus.
BTW: the fallen watchers did teach their offspring, and fallen Adam persons, many "high" technologies, among which was how to build chariots and fuel them for space travel, and how to build weapons of mass destruction.
One place to check out what was going on before the flood: Ooparts & Ancient High Technology--Evidence of Ancient Atomic Knowledge?

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Ive been busy, but wanted to get back to clarify what I said in the quoted post.
The Holy Watchers are not "aliens", in the sense of fiction writings, but are sons of heaven who are set to be judges and rulers over the earth, but from the heavens. They interact with men on earth in bodies that look like humans, or like flames of fire, or...?
The watchers who fell are called "aliens" in the Word because they left their first habitation, and remained on earth, attempting to take it over, apparently, with their half breed offspring. That is why the disembodied offspring of the fallen Watchers are called "sons of aliens", in the Hebrew, in Psalm 18.
Earth was given to Adam, and those guys invaded to remain on earth and not return to their first habitation, and to take wives of the Adam creation and get sons of Adam flesh, but not of the Adam spirit, but of their own cloned, fallen spirits, through their wives by gene splitting, which is translated "cutting roots" in the Book of Enoch.

jesus316 said:

There was no global flood, so these arguments are irrelevant.

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God didn't argue about it. He just did it, and only Noah and those with him on the Ark escaped, to populate the earth the second time.

Bible2+ said:

Also maybe even long before Adam?...

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Nope. Not possible to get that out of the written Word of God.
The globe of water and the powers of the firmament were called into existence out of nothing, on day 1, and the Holy Spirit brooded over the very elementally "pregnant" primal waters out of which all that is created , was called to be.
The earth/the dry is not even named until day 3, when it is called to be made, out of the waters. Heavens [Hebrew name is "two waters"] were not named until they were stretched out between the primal waters on day 2. They didn't exist "out there", but "right here", in the beginning, and there was no light until God called it into being out of the darkness, and separated it from the darkness, naming the darkness/evening. "night" and the light/morning "day", and so that first period of the darkness and the light circling the globe of waters, once, was the first day of creation.
No gap.
The earth, as the dry, did not exist until day 3, when God called the "dry" to come to be, out of the primal waters below the heavens; and the earth was not a soggy muddy, nor hot volcanic, anything, but "dry", immediately; and God called it earth and the waters under the heavens which He told to be gathered into one place, He called seas, on day 3. Before that, they were not even there to be named.

The stretched out heavens did not even have the sun, moon, and stars made and set in them until day 4 of creation week -unless some of the stars/sons of God/sons of the morning, were part of the powers in the "light" called "to be", on day two, when the first dawn of creation was called "to be". Before that, they did not exist, but were made out of the elements of the powers of the firmament; and the powers of the firmament were right here, in the beginning, as part of the creation of waters and powers, in the beginning.
Everything on the earth and in the earth and under the earth is created out of the primal waters of day one. Everything in the heavens, above the atmosphere, is created out of the "firmament of His powers". Angels are called "children of heaven", in the book of Enoch, and they are called "stars", in Enoch and in the Torah and in the NT.
Adam is called an earthling, a "son of earth", in the Word. The sons of heaven who remained in the bodies that look human when they appear on earth in God's service to the Adam creation are then the "aliens" in the Word of God, who fornicated with daughters of Adam -going after alien flesh to themselves, as Jude states, and getting bastards for offspring.

In Enoch, the offspring of the children of heaven and children of earth are called "bastards". Tares are "bastard wheat", BTW, so the gathering up of the bastards that are called "tares" in the end of this age at the time of Jesus' return seems to be the gathering of the demons, sons of the "aliens", to be cast into the Lake of Fire to be tormented there forever, by the Satans, as Enoch writes.

CS Lewis had a glimpse of what it is all about, and had read the books, and his fiction has many instances of things that have foundational truths from the Book of Enoch and the histories of the Jews and of ancient history, about the fallen angels, who are called "gods" in the cultures who left writings of their doings.

yeshuasavedme said in post #31:

Nope. Not possible to get that out of the written Word of God.

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Note that nothing in the written Word of God, also called the Bible, contradicts that there could have been civilizations on the earth long before the creation of Adam only about 6,000 years ago.

For Biblical Creationism can include what could be called a Double-Gap Theory, meaning that there could have been 2 gaps of time in Genesis chapters 1-2, the 1st gap between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, and the 2nd gap between Genesis 2:4 and Genesis 2:5. Genesis 1:1 could have occurred some 4.5 billion years ago, when God first created the planet earth and its atmosphere (the 1st heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b). Between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2, some 4.5 billion years could have occurred, in which God allowed His own created process of evolution to serve as a mechanism by which new species arose naturally on the earth. During those same 4.5 billion years, God could have also gone outside of evolution and created new species miraculously, whenever He wanted to (compare what evolutionists call "punctuated equilibria").

Genesis 1:2 could refer to the condition of the earth only about 12,000 years ago (at the end of the Paleolithic period), after some cataclysm like a comet-strike had killed off all life on the planet (both evolved and miraculously created), and had submerged all land areas in water (comets contain huge amounts of water), and had ruined the atmosphere. The impact of the comet could have also knocked the earth out of its orbit around its original star, so that the earth was sent hurtling into the darkness of interstellar space as a "rogue planet" (astronomers estimate that rogue planets in our galaxy could outnumber the stars in our galaxy). Genesis 1:3 to 2:4 could then refer to God, over a period of 6, literal 24-hour days (some 12,000 years ago, at the start of the Neolithic period), miraculously restoring to the earth light, a good atmosphere, dry land, and life, including a race of male and female homo sapiens sapiens, after God had miraculously restored land plants (Genesis 1:11-13) and land animals (Genesis 1:24-25) to the earth.

Then, only about 6,000 years ago, God miraculously created on the earth an individual male homo sapiens sapiens named Adam in an uninhabited desert land (Genesis 2:5-7; there the original Hebrew word translated as "earth" can refer to a certain "land": e.g. Genesis 2:11). After that, God created the plants of the local Garden of Eden in that desert land (Genesis 2:8-9), and God placed Adam in that garden (Genesis 2:15). Then God miraculously created the animals of the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:19). Then He created an individual female homo sapiens sapiens (Genesis 2:22) whom Adam named Eve (Genesis 3:20).

Because Adam was created only about 6,000 years ago, based on Biblical chronology, yet there are homo sapiens sapiens fossils said to be as old as 200,000 years, God could have first created homo sapiens sapiens, or it could have evolved by God's created process of evolution, as far back as 200,000 years. Also, all the different hominid forms the fossils of which long predate or are as old as the earliest fossils of homo sapiens sapiens, and which preceding or coexisting hominid forms we don't consider to have been fully human like us, such as homo sapiens neanderthalensis, could have all been created by God, or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution, over millions of years prior to the 1st appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth.

And this doesn't get into the possibly trillion other inhabited planets in the universe on which homo sapiens sapiens, or similar or far more advanced life-forms, could have been created by God, or could have evolved by God's created process of evolution, billions of years prior to the 1st appearance of homo sapiens sapiens on the earth. For the universe could be about 14 billion years old, and it contains about 100 billion galaxies, each containing about 100 billion stars. So even if only one star out of every 10 billion has an inhabited planet, there would still be a trillion inhabited planets. And on most of these, God could have begun His miraculous work, and the work of His created process of evolution, billions of years prior to His beginning of His miraculous work, and the work of His created process of evolution, on the earth.

yeshuasavedme said in post #31:

. . . there was no light until God called it into being out of the darkness . . .

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Note that Genesis 1:3-5 doesn't have to mean: "Let light exist for the first time anywhere", but can simply mean: "Let there be light on the earth".

Compare Goethe's last words: "More light!". He didn't mean: "There needs to be more light throughout the universe". Instead, he was saying: "Let there be more light in this room!", in which he was about to die. A woman I knew similarly made her husband turn on every light in her house, shortly before she died. Compare also what Job 10:21-22 says.

Genesis 1:3-5 could simply mean that God had some light source in space temporarily light up 1/2 of the earth as bright as day, 3, literal 24-hour days before He created the sun (Genesis 1:14-19).

yeshuasavedme said in post #31:

The stretched out heavens did not even have the sun, moon, and stars made and set in them until day 4 of creation week . . .

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Note that Genesis 1:16 only requires that at that time, God created the sun and moon. For there is no "he made" in the original Hebrew before "the stars also", which phrase could simply mean that the stars (which God could have created at some prior times, such as billions of years earlier) also "rule" the night along with the moon.

Or, because there is no "the" before "stars" in the original Hebrew, Genesis 1:16 could mean that God made only some stars at that time to serve as "signs for seasons" (Genesis 1:14), such as the stars in the Mazzaroth (compare the Zodiac) constellations (Job 38:32), which stars are extremely few in relation to the total number of stars in the universe.

Even in the night sky as a whole, there are only about 6,000 stars visible to the naked eye, while the universe contains about 100 billion galaxies, each containing about 100 billion stars. So even if Genesis 1:16 refers to God creating at that time the 6,000 or so stars visible to the naked eye, this doesn't require that He created the other stars in the universe at that time (instead of at some prior times), which other stars are not visible to the naked eye, and so would serve no function for people on the earth before the invention of telescopes.

yeshuasavedme said:

God didn't argue about it. He just did it, and only Noah and those with him on the Ark escaped, to populate the earth the second time.

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I'm using the word "argument" in its philosophical meaning: premises that can be true or false, used in an argument that can be valid or invalid, to support a conclusion that is either true or false. With induction and abduction, the truth or falsity of the conclusion is only based on probability, of whether it is more or less likely. The argument is from humans (not God, as you note) about whether or not such an event as the global flood is the intended interpretation, and about whether or not it historically occurred.

Bible2+ said:

Note that nothing in the written Word of God, also called the Bible, contradicts that there could have been civilizations on the earth long before the creation of Adam only about 6,000 years ago...

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That is just not so.
The Word of God is specific: There was no earth at all until day 3. The primal water and the firmament of His powers were created in the beginning, out of which all things were made in their present form in six ordinary days of evenings and mornings. There were no stretched out "heavens/ sha-mayim" until day 2, and they were not even named until after they were stretched out between the cut in two waters of creation on day 2.
God named the stretched out heavens "two waters", as in "cut waters". The pictograph sign for the shin element in the primal Hebrew was written as the two front incisor teeth, which gave the picture of how God separated the waters by "cutting them in two".
The firmament of His powers were stretched out in layers between the cut in two primal waters, and there were no heavens "out there", until day 2..

Stars are called sons of God, and are each named by God, and the stars were not "out there", filling the stretched out heavens until the heavens were stretched out.

In the Word of God Stars are not great burning furnaces, but powers, with personalities and each is named by God. There are the same number of them as there were created in the beginning, for the Word says "not one has failed". They are servants of God and set in the stretched out heavens to control the seasons of this created earth and to run God's heavenly calendars, and to show the signs for His appointed times in the heavens and they send the electro magnetic waves of their powers to the sun, which then governs that light by day, and sends its light to the moon, as God ordained it to do, in the ordained measures controlled by the ordained path of the sun and the moon.

Its a supernatural creation, supernaturally run, supernaturally sustained, and all things are upheld by His powers, for He holds all things together.

And BTW: in the Word He tells us "He has set His tabernacle in the sun".

In the Word of God the sun is not a star, but the word used for it by God, in the beginning, means "menorah", and as such, it receives that which is poured into it by electro magnetic waves from the stars, and refracts it back out, as the governor of that light, to the entire heavens. From one end of heaven to the other, it runs its race like a giant, daily, in its ordained path, as it circles the earth in the circle of the revolving heavens.
Douay Rheims, Psalm 19:

5 He hath set his tabernacle in the sun: and he, as a bridegroom coming out of his bride chamber, Hath rejoiced as a giant to run the way:
6 His going out is from the end of heaven, And his circuit even to the end thereof: and there is no one that can hide himself from his heat.

The Word of God shows us that the entire creation is all centered right here, on this globe that was created as primal waters and the firmament of His powers, out of which waters the elements were called to stretch out, to "form" into the " dry", which God named "earth", and out of which waters the elements were called to form all diverse creatures that are in them, and all that flies in the face of the heavens, and out of the earth, itself, which was formed out of the waters, then, all that is in it and on it was called to "form"; to come forth from it in the diversity of life that God made out of it.
Adam was the crown of creation, and made in bodily form, in the very image of God who made him and who was to come in that same bodily image Adam was created in, as Genesis 1:26-28, and Romans 5:14, clearly state.
Adam was created to rule and govern this center of God's creation as the firstborn human being son of God, made to rule the earth as the "god" of it; and Adam was taken by God from the earth below and set in the third heaven above the earth, in Paradise on Mount Eden, to govern everything on earth and in the seas and in the air, from Mount Eden, in the third stretched out heaven, stretched out from the earth, between the cut in two waters of creation...
and the stars in the heavens were set to help the Adam creation, and to serve the Adam, for God.

Now God the Word is come in flesh of second creation, as Kinsman/Redeemer to the dead in spirit seed of Adam and the sold into sin and corruption creation, and to restore all things when He takes His great power to Himself as the High King and High Priest of earth, and rules from the throne of God set in Mount Eden, in the third heaven. And in that second creation human being flesh, God the Word, the Creator of all things, is to be called "the God of the whole earth", which He redeemed in flesh made like Adam, but without sin, and with the New Man name [that name is Israel; Isaiah 49]. In that name, God's plan for this creation will go on forever, for He formed that flesh to "Plant the heavens" with the sons of God of human being flesh who will be glorified and be stones in the temple not made with hands....
That was the purpose for the creation of this earth, so that God would get human sons to build His temple for His glory to indwell.
That cannot happen in the dead Adam flesh, but in the New Creation human being flesh, named "Israel", not "Adam", His glorious temple will be built and the heavens will be planted with those sons of God of the human being kind....
His plan goes on forever, and He has always had one, and only one, plan.
There was no prior creation to this one.

Isa 51:16
And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

There was no earth at all until day 3.

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Genesis 1:10 doesn't mean that the planet earth wasn't created until the 3rd day. Instead, it simply means that God restored dry land to the earth on the 3rd day. For the planet earth existed long before the 1st day (Genesis 1:1-5) of God's restoration of the earth.

In Genesis 1:10, the original Hebrew word (H0776) translated as "earth" can simply mean "land" (Genesis 2:11), as opposed to "seas" (Genesis 1:10).

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Similarly, Genesis 1:6-7 refers to God restoring the earth's atmosphere (the firmament, the 1st heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b) to hold water up in the air, such as in rain clouds, above and separate from the water in the ocean.

There are 3 heavens (2 Corinthians 12:2b). The 1st heaven is the sky, the atmosphere, in which the birds fly (Genesis 1:20b). The 2nd heaven is outer space, where the sun, moon and stars reside (Deuteronomy 4:19). Where God resides is the 3rd heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2b, Revelation 4:1-2) and so it's beyond outer space in the sense of it being in a higher (a 4th) spatial dimension. And it's a physical place, for Jesus Christ ascended there in His physical resurrection body (Acts 1:9-11, Luke 24:39). And Paul the apostle said he could have visited there in his mortal physical body (2 Corinthians 12:2). Also, Elijah and Enoch were taken up there in their mortal physical bodies (2 Kings 2:11, Genesis 5:24, Hebrews 11:5). And the future, Two Witnesses will be taken up there in their mortal physical bodies (Revelation 11:11-12).

In the 3rd heaven there's currently a literal city 1,500 miles cubed (Revelation 21:16) called New Jerusalem (Revelation 21:2), the heavenly Jerusalem (Hebrews 12:22), the Jerusalem which is above (Galatians 4:26), and God the Father's house (John 14:2, Revelation 21:2-3). In the future, God will create a New Earth (a new surface of the earth) and a New Heaven (a new 1st heaven, a new atmosphere for the earth) (Revelation 21:1). And then God will come down in New Jerusalem from the 3rd heaven to the New Earth to live with Christians on the New Earth (Revelation 21:2-3, Revelation 3:12b). It's New Jerusalem which has the literal pearly gates and streets of gold (Revelation 21:21) which Christians ascribe to heaven. So what Christians think of as heaven, in the sense of living in bliss with God, will eventually be on the New Earth.

Currently the 3rd heaven is where paradise is (2 Corinthians 12:2,4). And paradise is where obedient Christians go when they die (Luke 23:43,46). So obedient Christians go to the 3rd heaven when they die. Also, paradise is where the literal tree of life is (Revelation 2:7). And the tree of life is in New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2). So when obedient Christians go to paradise, they go to New Jerusalem.

The earth's 3rd heaven could be high above the north pole (compare the connection between heaven and the north in Isaiah 14:13, KJV). Regarding what we today call "the northern lights", even though they can be explained by physics, they could still point to the location of the glory of the earth's 3rd heaven. And Psalm 48:2's reference to the north could refer to the location of New Jerusalem in heaven.

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

Its a supernatural creation, supernaturally run, supernaturally sustained, and all things are upheld by His powers, for He holds all things together.

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That's right (Colossians 1:17).

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

"He has set His tabernacle in the sun".

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Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun . . .

This simply means that outer space (the 2nd heaven) is a figurative tabernacle (a dwelling place) for the sun (Psalms 19:1-4). It doesn't mean that God Himself lives in outer space, or in the sun.

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

In the Word of God the sun is not a star . . .

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Note that nothing in the Bible contradicts that the sun is a star, just like trillions of other stars in the universe.

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

His plan goes on forever, and He has always had one, and only one, plan.

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That's right (Isaiah 46:10).

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

There was no prior creation to this one.

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Note that nothing requires that, for His one plan can include an infinite number of prior creations (as in entire, prior universes), not to mention a few pre-Adamic civilizations on this one, little planet earth.

yeshuasavedme said in post #34:

Isa 51:16
And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Rev 3:12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

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Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Here the "morning star", if literal, would be the 2nd planet from the sun. So obedient Christians, during the future Millennium (of Revelation 20:4-6) and/or during the subsequent time of the New Earth (Revelation 21), could be given the option of going to that planet and terraforming it for God until it's like the Garden of Eden. Also, it's possible Jesus Christ could then give obedient Christians other planets (and/or their moons) to terraform, such as the 4th planet from the sun, and some moons of the 5th planet.

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It is sometimes asked: "But won't eternity get boring after awhile?"

There won't be any boredom in eternity for obedient Christians (Psalms 16:11), in such a vast universe as ours, with some 100 billion galaxies, each containing some 100 billion stars. There could be a trillion already-inhabited planets in the universe which obedient Christians could travel to and live on during eternity, interacting with a practically-infinite variety of life-forms, tasks, information and recreation. And who's to say our universe has to be the only one? God could have created an infinite number of universes. So even after obedient Christians have experienced all the variety of this vast universe (and helped to even increase its variety by terraforming for God now-desolate planets and moons in our and other star-systems and populating them with brand new species of plants and animals never seen before, which obedient Christians could design from their own, God-inspired creativity), obedient Christians will then have all the rest of eternity to experience and increase the variety of all the rest of the universes, always in the bliss of the presence of God (Psalms 16:11), who is spiritually everywhere at all times (Psalms 139:7-10).

Bible2+ said:

Genesis 1:10 doesn't mean that the planet earth wasn't created until the 3rd day. Instead, it simply means that God restored dry land to the earth on the 3rd day. ...

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Yes it does mean that the dry was brought forth out of the elemental waters on day 3.
That is exactly what the passage states. There was no formed earth until day 3, and it was brought forth out of the elements created on day 1, of the primal waters below the heavens.
Remember, God did not even have a stretched out heavens and there was no sun, no moon, nor stars "out there", for there was no "out there", until day 2, when God said "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and it was so. God divided the primal waters, and stretched out/beat out the layers of the heavens between the divided in two waters of creation.
God also stretched out/beat out the dry from the waters, on day 3.
The heavens that He stretched out had no name until day 3, and their name is "two waters"...apparently you did not read my post.
The earth that He stretched out/beat out, from the waters below the heavens had no name until day 3, for He named the "dry", "earth"....

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

. . . the dry was brought forth out of the elemental waters on day 3.

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Note that there is no such thing as elemental waters, because water is not an element, but a compound, made up of 2 different elements: 2 atoms of hydrogen joined to one atom of oxygen. I.e. H20.

Genesis 1:10 simply means that the planet earth at the time of the 3rd day was covered by water (the earth's "seas"), until God restored dry land to the earth.

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

There was no formed earth until day 3 . . .

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Note that there was a formed planet earth even long before day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5).

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

God did not even have a stretched out heavens . . .

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Note that He did (in the sense of the earth's 1st heaven, its atmosphere), even long before day 1 (Genesis 1:1-5).

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

"let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters . . .

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That refers to His restoration of the earth's atmosphere.

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

The heavens that He stretched out had no name until day 3, and their name is "two waters"...

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The 2 waters in Genesis 1:6-7 are simply the earth's seas, and the water up in the earth's atmosphere (such as in rain clouds).

yeshuasavedme said in post #36:

The earth that He stretched out/beat out, from the waters below the heavens had no name until day 3, for He named the "dry", "earth"....

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In Genesis 1:10, "earth" simply means "land", as opposed to "seas".

Bible2+ said:

Note that there is no such thing as elemental waters, because water is not an element, but a compound, made up of 2 different elements: 2 atoms of hydrogen joined to one atom of oxygen...

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Please read and learn...
Chemistry of Seawater
"Detailed composition of seawater
at 3.5% salinity"

and:https://www.mbari.org/science/upper...roup/periodic-table-of-elements-in-the-ocean/
The content of the Periodic Table of Elements in the Ocean

Bible2+ said:
Genesis 1:10 simply means that the planet earth at the time of the 3rd day was covered by water (the earth's "seas"), until God restored dry land to the earth."

That is totally not Bible teaching and not what Genesis 1 states at all.
Firstly: earth is not a planet, which means "wandering star", which wandering stars have no light in themselves, but are set in the heavens to be signs, and to be a part in the control of the seasons, calendar in the heavens, for earth.

There is no such a thing as a restoration of dry land to earth in Genesis 1. There was no "earth" named "earth" until the waters under the heavens were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and the "dry" to come forth, out of the primal, elementally pregnant, waters of creation.

God states through the prophet that He "beat out/stretched out", the dry to form the "dry" out of the waters. Then He named the "dry" "earth", and the waters He called "seas.
The waters were named on day 3. The earth was named on day 3.
The heavens were named on day 2. The heavens were stretched out/beat out between the divided in two waters of creation, and the waters above the stretched out heavens are still there, above the stretched out heavens.
Psa 148:4
Praise him, you highest heavens, and you waters above the heavens!

Isaiah 44:24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: "I am the LORD, who made all things, who stretched out the heavens alone, who spread out [raqa] the earth--Who was with me?--
raqa =to beat, stamp, beat out, spread out, stretch

Bible2+ said..." Note that He did (in the sense of the earth's 1st heaven, its atmosphere), even long before day 1".

No, He did not. The Word of God says no such thing. The face of the heavens was not made until day 2, when God said: Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters".
God named the firmament "Two waters/shamayim", and called the atmosphere the "face/open" of the heavens, which were stretched out/beat out, in stories/layers, beneath the half of the primal waters which were raised from the globe, as the firmament of His powers were stretched out, in stories/layers...