Satan

GUANO said:

Satan is the flesh. It's not an outside force. More specifically, Satan is the ego, not as in the "sense of self" but rather the sense of self importance and self preservation. Spirits are not disembodied souls or individual conscious entities, they are motivating principles. It's important to develop an understanding of Hebrew cosmology and understand that it's a representation of psychology. Demonology and cosmology is a representation of the psyche.

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Amen Amen Amen

GUANO said:

Satan is the flesh.
It's not an outside force. More specifically, Satan is the ego, not as in the "sense of self" but rather the sense of self importance and self preservation.
Spirits are not disembodied souls or individual conscious entities, they are motivating principles. It's important to develop an understanding of Hebrew cosmology and understand that it's a representation of psychology. Demonology and cosmology is a representation of the psyche.

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Interesting.
Remember when Jesus turned to Peter and said "get behind me Satan...". Peter[Matt:16:23]

Job 1:7
And the Yahweh said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered Yahweh and said,
“From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”[Job 2:2]

And what made Jesus call the guys "serpents"
We know it is not a literal serpent like the one in the Garden:

Matthew 23:15
Woe to ye Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
that ye are going about the Sea and the Dry to make one proselyte and whenever he may be becoming, ye are making him a son of geennhV twofold-more of ye-selves
33 "Serpents! produce of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>

And I believe Jesus is referring to them, and the rest of the Jewish rulers, in Reve 3:9.

Reve 3:9
Behold! I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—
behold! I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and they will know that I have loved you.

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LittleLambofJesus said:

Interesting.
Remember when Jesus turned to Peter and said "get behind me Satan...". Peter[Matt:16:23] Job 1:7And the Yahweh said to Satan, “From where do you come?”
So Satan answered Yahweh and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”[Job 2:2]

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Zechariah 1:11; Zechariah 4:10; Zechariah 6:5 the Angel of the Lord is the one who walks back and forth on the earth; or as Job 2:2, says, "the ADVERSARY"; one of the sons of God

he-man said:

Zechariah 1:11; Zechariah 4:10; Zechariah 6:5 the Angel of the Lord is the one who walks back and forth on the earth; or as Job 2:2 says, "the ADVERSARY"; one of the sons of God

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YLT' uses "adversary" for "satan" [which differs from "devil", which is an accuser, slanderer]

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number G4567 matches the Greek Σατανᾶς (Satanas), which occurs 36 times in 33 verses in the Greek concordance

Mat 4:10
Then saith Jesus to him, 'Go -- Adversary, for it hath been written, The Lord thy God thou shalt bow to, and Him only thou shalt serve.'

You can see where it is in the OT here:

Genesis 1:1 (YLT)
Strong's Number H7854 matches the Hebrew שָׂטָן (satan), which occurs 27 times in 23 verses in the Hebrew concordance

1st:

Num 22:22
and the anger of God burneth because he is going, and a messenger of Jehovah stationeth himself in the way for an adversary to him, and he is riding on his ass, and two of his servants are with him,

Last:

Zec 3:2
And Jehovah saith unto the Adversary: 'Jehovah doth push against thee, O Adversary, Yea, push against thee doth Jehovah,
Who is fixing on Jerusalem, Is not this a brand delivered from fire?'

Strong's Hebrew: 7854. שָׂטָן (satan) --

Strong's Hebrew 7854
27 Occurrences

haś·śā·ṭān — 16 Occ.
lə·śā·ṭān — 4 Occ.
śā·ṭān — 5 Occ.
wə·haś·śā·ṭān — 1 Occ.
wə·śā·ṭān — 1 Occ.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Interesting.
Remember when Jesus turned to Peter and said "get behind me Satan...". Peter[Matt:16:23]

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Yes, he's not even talking to Peter directly in that verse. Peter is appealing to Jesus Christ's sense of self preservation (the flesh, the adversary)...

v21: "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised again the third day."

The spirit of Christ is the spirit of self-sacrifice which, according to the Bible is the greatest form of love/charity...

v22: Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

And Jesus Christ rebukes the spirit, or the principle which motivated Peter to appeal to Christ to preserve His personhood—that force which motivates one to preserve their own life is identified as Satan.

Now check out the temptation of Christ. You will see that 'satan' is appealing to Christ's human sense of self-importance by trying to get him to prove that He is the Son of God. But only the flesh requires this sort of proof to boost confidence in the person—such things are vanity.

Rev 12:10+
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

1 John 2
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Air = Aer (Greek)

The definition remains to this day:

Pneuma (spirit):

GUANO said:

Yes, he's not even talking to Peter directly in that verse. Peter is appealing to Jesus Christ's sense of self preservation (the flesh, the adversary)...

v21: "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised again the third day."

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Sorry, but he was calling Peter an Adversarybecause Peter was opposingChrist and the sacrifice to soon be made.

dreadnought said:

Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. Gen 3:1a

Satan, apparently, is a clever fellow. Do you suppose sometimes he tricks us into doing his will?

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Ephesians 2
And you were dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

2 Cor 4:3-4
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Takes effort to resist him

Eph 6
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. 13 Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Interesting.
Remember when Jesus turned to Peter and said "get behind me Satan...". Peter[Matt:16:23]

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yes - good point

Matt 16
22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.” 23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Interesting.
Remember when Jesus turned to Peter and said "get behind me Satan...". Peter[Matt:16:23]

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BobRyan said:

yes - good point

Matt 16
22 Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.”
23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.”

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Yeah. Could Peter and the Apostles not know that Jesus was to die for them and the whole Jewish nation?

John 11:50
50 "nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish."

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Matthew 16:21
From that time on Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and scribes,
and that He must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
[Luke 16:30,31]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke16:
30 "And he said, 'Nay! father Abraham;
but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.'
31 But he said to him, 'If they do not hear Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.' "

And this from Job:

Job 15:34 For the congregation of hypocrites shall be desolate,
and fire shall consume the tabernacles of bribery. [Matt 23:15]

Matt 23:15 "Woe to ye, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
that Ye are going about the sea and the dry to make one proselyte,
and when he becomes one, ye make him a son of geennhV <1067> two-fold of-ye-selves.

John 8:44
"Ye out of a father, the devil are,
and the desires of the father of ye, ye are willing to be doing".

1 Peter 5:8
Be ye sober! be ye vigilant/watching!
The enemy/adversary/antidikoV <476> of ye, the devil, as a roaring Lion is walking about
seeking whom to devour.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages....... [Luke 16:24,26]

The word rendered "adversary" ἀντίδικος means properly an opponent in a lawsuit, as in Matthew 5:25; but it is also used generally for "adversary," and so is a translation of the Hebrew word Satan. The word διάβολος, devil, means "slanderer," "false accuser."............