I fully agree the stone tablets were inside the Ark of the Covenant. I fully agree the writings of Moses was beside the Ark of the Covenant. Now where did God command them to be separate?
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GOD'S LAW (10 commandments) ARE FOREVER!
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You answered your own question. You already agreed they were separate. Now your asking for a commandment? Where they separate or not (yes or No)? Or do you not believe God's Word? (Deut 10:5; Deut 31:24-26)
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Read the scriptures in post # 222 linked and the OP about COL 2:1`4-17 THE REAL TRUTH (PARTS 1-4 Linked at the bottom of post #1). If you want to know more.
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Let's just again repeat.
The second greatest commandment, which superceded nine of the TC is:
Love thy neighbour as thyself
The second greatest commandment, which superceded nine of the TC is:
Love thy neighbour as thyself
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The ceremonial laws are important foreshadows that are extremely rich with teaching us about Christ, God's plan of redemption, and about what we will be doing during Christ's reign, so Paul was encouraging the Colossians not to let any man keep them observing God's holy days in obedience to God's commands.
You’re nearly right Soyeong. Actually it is the first four commandments of God’s Law that summarizes our love and our duty towards God (not five; Ex 20:3-11), and the next six commandments that summarizes our duty of love towards our neighbor (Ex 20:12-17)
There is a definitely a structure to the Ten Commandments, a reason why there are two tablets instead of one, and a reason why the fifth commandment belongs on the first tablet. The first five commandments deal with our vertical relationship with creators or people who are intrinsically above us, while the last five deal with our horizontal relationships with our peers. Commands 1-5 also correspond to commands 1-6 in regard to the same core issues, but with respect to those who are above us and those who are our peers.
Good I do not disagree
Moses was not acting on his own authority, but was acting as a mediator to convey God's commands to Israel, so can you explain to me why God's commands do not qualify as God's commands? What I said about God's commands instructing us how to act in accordance with His attributes is no less true with God's ceremonial commands. These things are all important foreshadows that still point to Christ and teach us about him and how to have a relationship with him.
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Where exactly did I do such a fool thing? The stone tablets and the writings of Moses are one thing. But no where have I ever admitted the 10 Cs are separate from the rest of the law.
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Please answer the question instead of send me searching for something in what I have already read.
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Actually nope! Paul was addressing Gentile believers telling them not to let any man judge them. This was in reference to Jewish believers judging the Gentile believers in relation to not keeping ceremonial laws of Moses which Paul says were a shadow of things to come pointing to Jesus (v17). This same issue is further referenced in Acts 15 where the Jewish believers were trying to force the Gentile believers into circumcision or they could not be saved referring to more of the ceremonial laws of Moses which were shadows pointing to Jesus and the New Covenant. Hebrews 8:1-5; 6-13; Hebrews 10:1-19; Colosians 2:14;17; Hebrews chapters 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29.
We are in the New Covenant now not the Old.
Hebrews 8:13,
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.
Where is the scripture that says the 5th commandment was on the 1st table of Stone which represents duty towards God? You do know that the 5th commandment is your duty towards your mother and farther right? (Ex 20:12)
You seem to be repeating the same things that have already been addressed already in other posts. So lets make this the last one for the sake of repetition. You are mixing up the ceremonial laws of Moses which are shadows pointing to Jesus with God's Laws (10 commandments) which are forever. This has been addressed in many posts above.
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Your words below not mine after reading the scripture sent you....
Then you say...
Seem you are contradicting yourself now. Where does is say God's Law (10 commandments) and the ceremonial laws of Moses are the same things?
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Matthew 27:37 And over his head they put the charge against him, which read, “This is Jesus, the King of the Jews.”
This verse makes explicitly clear that the charge that was against Jesus was that he was the King of the Jews. The charge against the people who were crucified next to him was that they were thieves, so that is what would have been written on their crosses. So the purpose of the sign was to announce what transgressions they had committed to deserve the the penalty of crucifixion. The wages of sin is death, so there is a sign aka a handwriting of ordinance that announces all of the sins that we have ever committed as changes against us for why we deserve the penalty of death, but instead us dying to pay the penalty of our sins, this sign was nailed to Christ's cross and he died to pay the penalty of our sins in our place.
The description given in Titus 2:11-14 is an accurate description of the Mosaic Law and there is nothing that specifies that it is speaking only about the Ten Commandments. It says that Christ gave himself to purify for himself a people who are zealous for doing good works, and the Mosaic Law is God's instructions for how to do good works, which is why the tens of thousands of Jews coming to faith in Acts 21:20 were becoming zealous for the Law. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, it does not say that only the Ten Commandments are God-breathed and profitable for training in righteousness and equipping us to do every good work, but rather it is speaking of all Scripture, which is inclusive of the ceremonial laws.
We are under the New Covenant, not the Mosaic Covenant, but we are nevertheless under the same God with the same attributes, and with the same instructions for how to act in accordance with His attributes. The one and only way that there has ever been for our sins to be forgiven is through Christ, and this is just as true in the Mosaic Covenant as it is in the New Covenant. According to John 8:56, Jesus said that Abraham saw his day and was glad, so the people in the OT looked in faith to a Redeemer just as we do. In Acts 18:18, Paul took a Nazarite vow, which involved making offerings (Numbers 6), and he was on his way to pay for the offerings of others in Acts 21:20-24 in order to disprove false rumors that he was teaching against the Law and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it. So offerings did not stop with the death or resurrection of Jesus, but only stopped because the destruction of the temple, but I do celebrate God's Festivals because they are important shadows that point to Messiah.
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It's quite simple to know, which law God desires the believer to follow that was given at Sania. It is law you instinctively know for it is in your mind, and you WILL have heartfelt conviction you sin if you wilfully transgress it for it is in your heart
If you come to a conclusion, from solely reading the Bible you must follow certain law given at Sania, how can that law be written in your mind and placed on your heart?
You would already have been convicted to follow it!
But what does such spiritual truth matter in theological debate, sadly
If you come to a conclusion, from solely reading the Bible you must follow certain law given at Sania, how can that law be written in your mind and placed on your heart?
You would already have been convicted to follow it!
But what does such spiritual truth matter in theological debate, sadly
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The above has already been addressed many times already. Please see post # 222 for example and the others. Do you have anything else to share? There is no point in going in circles. Your interpretation ignores the scriptures in relation to the ceremonial laws of Moses as being shadows pointing to Jesus and fulfilled at his death (Hebrews 8:1-5; 6-13; Hebrews 10:1-19; Colosians 2:14;17; Hebrews chapters 9; 10; John 1:29; 1Cor 5:6-7; Rom 2:28-29).
Already answered in post # 185 Titus 2:14 is referring to God’s Law the 10 commandments not the ceremonial laws that pointed to Jesus and were a shadow of things to come. So does not support your argument as you are changing from one law to another. Do you now do burnt offerings to obtain forgiveness of sins? Jesus is the true sacrifice that taketh away the sins of the world (John 1:19)
Acts 21:21 the next verse you did not quote...And they are informed of thee, that thou teaches all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs. You are reading your scriptures out of context and trying to make them say something that is not there.
Good for you. I do not judge you
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Hands up, those who were convicted, when they became Christians they must observe a set Saturday sabbath, for they were convicted to do so by the law written in their mind and placed on their heart. They did NOT come to that conclusion by firstly having to read of the OT law given at Sania
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The law has not been annihilated but the law has been abolished.
The law that has been abolished does not make you conscious of sin, the law that has been abolished does make you conscious of sin.
The law written on stone is not the law written in the mind and placed on the heart of the Christian, however, if Christians transgress nine of the laws as written on stone they will be conscious they sin by doing so.
The only law in your heart is the law of love, however, if you break nine of the laws written on stone which are not in your heart, you will specifically be conscious you have sinned because you transgressed them. You won't simply be conscious you sinned by failing to love as you should.
Yeppers, contradictions abound.
As they always must with incorrect understanding
The law that has been abolished does not make you conscious of sin, the law that has been abolished does make you conscious of sin.
The law written on stone is not the law written in the mind and placed on the heart of the Christian, however, if Christians transgress nine of the laws as written on stone they will be conscious they sin by doing so.
The only law in your heart is the law of love, however, if you break nine of the laws written on stone which are not in your heart, you will specifically be conscious you have sinned because you transgressed them. You won't simply be conscious you sinned by failing to love as you should.
Yeppers, contradictions abound.
As they always must with incorrect understanding
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Then at the opposite end of the spectrum more contradictions:
You are not in a saved state by observing the law, but you can only be in a saved state if you observe the law.
Your judgement will be based on your observance of the law, but your righteousness/ justification before God is not observing the law.
You are not in a saved state by observing the law, but you can only be in a saved state if you observe the law.
Your judgement will be based on your observance of the law, but your righteousness/ justification before God is not observing the law.
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The only thing I find in Acts 15 that relates to law is idolatry. The rest is covered in Genesis 9 about what one can eat (eating things with blood) and sexual sins.
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Yes your verse enforces what I already knew about doing wrong. I guess the verse makes you think we're obligated to and follow the law as Christians. Paul makes many statements about not being obligated to (follow) the law starting in chapter 6 and other letters.
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Unfortunately for your argument I've read the entire Bible. I'm sure I still miss lots of things. But I didn't miss Luke 24:44 and other things that require the law to either be changed or done away with. I don't find anywhere Jesus taught and required the law be kept.
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