Revelation

1948+70= 2018. GT will begin shortly, maybe 9-23-17, which occurs during the Feast of Trumpets, then the following week, The Day if Atonement. The Mid-East is on fire, since 2011 btw. Many millions of Christians in Muslim countries would believe they have been going through a Great Tribulation.
Beast= Islam. Ten Islamic countries join forces to attack Israel. They have always been anti-Christian and anti-Semitic. Their signature is chopping off heads as described in Rev. 20:4. Their mark is the Islamic symbol warn on the sleeve or head band.
The last trumpet is #7.
Rev. 7:9 & 11:15 are different vantage points of the same event, the rapture.
144k are Jews. Their veil will be lifted (Rom. 11) just prior to the harm that comes to the earth. They may evangelize 1/3 remnant of the Jewish population, 14 million or so during the GT. I'm not sure of this because they shouldn't have to, "every eye will see Him".
These 144k virgin males will mate with females in the Millennial Kingdom to repopulate the earth since the church will have received new bodies and be priests and kings - we won't be making babies. I'll be wrestling with my pet lion and playing my guitar near some waterfall similar to Kauai, oh I guess serving as a priest.
Babies will be born, unsaved and towards the end of the 1000 years, they will be tempted. The second death occurs for all those who died after the first resurrection to the finale. Earth and heavens burn in fervant heat and God creates a new earth, we all live happily for eternity. No sun, moon or stars, just the Light of the LORD is ALL.

Kemi said:

What are your opinions? Where do you think we are in the timeline of events? Who or what is the beast? The marking? Tell me everything you know. I am unopinionated. I have my own, of course. I often research these things heavily. I am looking to see different perspectives. I want to know more. Thanks!

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So.... the Revelation is what John wrote that he saw. He said it was a revelation from Jesus himself.
Read Jesus' words. Is he absolutely clear about things or did he speak in riddles? Riddles.
Therefore, Revelation is a riddle.
As far as prophecy goes, look at all of the O.T. prophecies about him. Did anyone understand them even though they were plain to read? No. It was not until AFTER the event happened that it was understood.
This is how prophecy works. No one can understand it until AFTER it happens. The point is to prove after the fact that God knows all and sees His plan to the end.

I can assure you that when the end of all things happens it will look very different from what we all thought it would look like. That is the nature of prophecy for the most part. Especially the book of Revelation.
I would not pay too much attention to prophecy teachers. They always seem to have the answer but in the end all you end up with disappointment.

Kemi said:

What are your opinions? Where do you think we are in the timeline of events? Who or what is the beast? The marking? Tell me everything you know. I am unopinionated. I have my own, of course. I often research these things heavily. I am looking to see different perspectives. I want to know more. Thanks!

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Most people search trying to prove themselves and their THEORIES and OPINIONS right.

What I was led to was so disturbing I have been trying to prove THE TESTIMONY wrong, and can't.

Maybe you can.



IDENTIFYING Daniel's 4th Beast ("Little Horn") A.K.A. -Revelation 17's Harlot Babylon

So i had dubts about 2017 being 5999 or 6000 , God show me that it's 6000 year.
Go to Revelation 2017 i mean Revelation 20:1-7 , 1000 years mentioned 6 times .
Funny coincidence .

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The "Second Coming" of the TRANSFORMED Jesus the Divine Messiah is a central theme in the "WE BELIEVES"...of the Apostles / Nicene Creed.
It is primarily described in Revelation 19:11-16; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; Matthew 24: 29-31; 1 Thess. 4

PRECIOUS PROMISES:

John 14...Jesus' promises to his followers...The Upper Room Discourse....Jesus Comforts His Disciples
1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled.
Trust in God; trust also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you.
I am going there to prepare a place for you. (lots of room in heaven for believers!!)
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will COME BACK (Second Coming!)
and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
4 You know the way to the place where I am going." (Jesus ....the Way to the Father)

Matthew 16:27 (NASB)...Jesus: Discipleship Is Costly
(PROPHECY)
For the Son of Man is going to come (AGAIN!)
in the glory of His Father with His angels, and
WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

THEN: Judgment of the BELIEVER'S WORKS
2 Corinthians 5: 1-15 (NIV) + 1 Corinthians 3:10-15 (NIV)
10 For we (BELIEVERS) must all appear before the "judgment (bema = awards platform) seat of Christ",
that each one may receive what is due him for the things done (WORKS) while in the BODY, whether good or bad....

Matthew 24: 42,44...Jesus promises to His Followers:
..."keep watch"...So you also must be "ready", because the Son of Man will come (AGAIN!) at an hour when you do not expect him.

Acts 1: 6-11...Angels' prophecy at The "Ascension"
9 After he said this, he was TAKEN UP before their very eyes, and a CLOUD hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the SKY as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white (angels) stood beside them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the SKY?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into HEAVEN, will COME BACK in the same way you have (just) seen him go into HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 3:...in holiness before our God and Father at the (Second) coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well.
This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

The Rapture ("LATIN: RAPTURO = the snatching) is defined as that moment when Jesus the Christ returns from Heaven to remove the "Church" = His "Bride" / All Believers, dead ..then living... in Christ/ from Planet Earth.
God the Holy Spirit will no longer restrain the end times / "the day of the LORD".
Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air.
This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye.

The Rapture doctrine arises from interpretations of primarily 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

The "Second Coming" BEGINS at "end" of the Rapture event!

To the Church in Philadelphia:
Revelations 3:10...
10....I will also keep you from the hour of trial (TRIBULATIONS: Matthew 24!) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming soon.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven,
whom He raised from the dead—Jesus,
who rescues us from the coming wrath...

Kemi said:

I understand what you mean. The events playing out now as well as those in the future can be quite disturbing. And quite scary. But you need not worry. God is on our side. Most of you Christians will be transported to heaven in an instant before the real fun begins. You will be God's sheep- the ones that come back with Jesus in His final reign. As for me, I will be gone. After you and the others are in heaven, of course. 3 and 1/2 years after.

I apologize for the sorrow this must cause you. However, I cannot prove this wrong. Not when I have seen it playing out. Not when I have been there to see it myself. It is the truth if ever there was any.

If you need anything at all or have any question, feel free to message me (all of you). My apologies, Lee. Stay strong. God bless!

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What if what we know today in this age as "Christianity" IS the 4th diverse Beast of Daniel?

Only an idiot would suggest such a thing unless the evidence was overwhelming.

So what good does it do to ask to know truth, if one is not willing to simply click a link to seek truth when it is offered?

Out of love;

One last chance;
IDENTIFYING Daniel's 4th Beast ("Little Horn") A.K.A. -Revelation 17's Harlot Babylon

REVELATION 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:

Consider the definition of the word "DECEIVED";

deceive
verb de·ceive \di-ˈsēv\
: to make (someone) believe something that is not true
: to cause to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid

• What is the definition of the word "WHOLE"?

1whole
adjective \ˈhōl\

complete or full : not lacking or leaving out any part


So the following verse COULD BE changed to read;

REVELATION 12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which
causes the whole world (lacking NO PART) to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid


Would this include or exclude the WORLD'S LARGEST Religion;

May God bless!

Where are we in the "REVELATION" of the "end times", "the end of the age" (of the "CHURCH"/"GRACE")??

Matthew 24...Jesus' prophecy and SIGNS of the "end of the (CHURCH) age" of Grace

QUESTIONS:
3 As He (Jesus) was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the DISCIPLES came to Him privately, saying,
“Tell us, (prophesy!)
1. WHEN will these THINGS happen, and
2. what will be the SIGN(s) of "Your (Second) COMING", and
3. (what will be the SIGN(s)) of "the end of the (Church) age"?”

ANSWERS:
1. v. 36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, (WHEN tribulations / things BEGIN)
not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
3.. v. 2-28...THINGS / SIGNS of .."birth pangs"...tribulation...great tribulation...to the brink...THEN:
2. v. 29-31... Jesus' Glorious Return from Heaven!

BIRTH PANGS = NOW!

4 And Jesus answered and said to them,
“See to it that no one misleads you.
5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ (a savior)
and will mislead many. (Believers AND UnBelievers?)
You will be hearing of:
1. wars and rumors of wars.
See that you are not frightened, for those things must take place, but that is not yet the end. (of tribulation)
For:
2. nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom,
and in various places there will be:
3.famines and
4.earthquakes.
{{IMO:
5. increased persecutions of Christ-followers
6. conflicts over "Dome of Rock" and rebuilding "the Temple"
7. creation of the Nation Israel: (1947-48)}}
But all these things (signs) are merely "the beginning of birth pangs".

Seven years of Tribulation / Great Tribulation described in Daniel ~11-12 have not begun!

Response to post#48 " There will not be a pre or mid-trib "rapture". "

The "Second Coming" Doctrine of the TRANSFORMED Jesus the Divine Messiah is important.
It matters because Jesus the God-Man PROMISED to return/come back/come again!

The Second Coming is a central theme in the "WE BELIEVES"...of the Apostles / Nicene Creed.
It is primarily described in Revelation 19:11-16; 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; Matthew 24: 29-31; 1 Thess. 4

PRECIOUS PROMISES:

John 14...Jesus' promises to his followers...The Upper Room Discourse....Jesus Comforts His Disciples
1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled.
Trust in God; trust also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you.
I am going there to prepare a place for you. (lots of room in heaven for believers!!)
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will COME BACK (Second Coming!)
and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
4 You know the way to the place where I am going." (Jesus ....the Way to the Father)

Matthew 16:27 (NASB)...Jesus: Discipleship Is Costly
(PROPHECY)
For the Son of Man is going to come (AGAIN!)
in the glory of His Father with His angels, and
WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

Matthew 24: 42,44...Jesus promises to His Followers:
..."keep watch"...So you also must be "ready", because the Son of Man will come (AGAIN!) at an hour when you do not expect him.

Acts 1: 6-11...Angels' prophecy at The "Ascension"
9 After he said this, he was TAKEN UP before their very eyes, and a CLOUD hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the SKY as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white (angels) stood beside them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the SKY?
This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into HEAVEN, will COME BACK in the same way you have (just) seen him go into HEAVEN."

1 Thessalonians 3:...in holiness before our God and Father at the (Second) coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints.

2 Thessalonians 1:7
and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.

The Rapture (LATIN:"rapturo") "the snatching") is defined as that moment when Jesus the Christ returns from Heaven to remove the "Church" / His "Bride" / and All Believers, dead ..then living... in Christ/ from Planet Earth.
God the Holy Spirit will no longer restrain the end times / "the day of the LORD".
Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air.
This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye.

The Rapture doctrine arises from interpretations of primarily 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54.

The "Second Coming" BEGINS at "end" of the Rapture event!

To the Church in Philadelphia:
Revelations 3:10...
10....I will also keep you from the "hour of trial" (TRIBULATION: SEE Matthew 24) that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming soon.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven,
whom he raised from the dead—Jesus,
who rescues us from the coming wrath...


Possible Time Line BUILT on Matthew 24:

1. Begin the birth of the "Church Age" of Grace...Pentecost...Acts 1 + 2
2. Jesus promises to be with us in Spirit until the "end of the age" Matthew 28 end
...ascends/descends from the Mount of Olives...Matt 20:20; Zechariah 14:4; Acts 1:11
3. Pre-Tribulation "Birth Pangs"...NOW!...Matthew 24: 4-8
4. Begin TRIBULATION...first 3.5 years of Daniel's 7 years...rise of the anti-christ + REBUILD the TEMPLE! = his appearance in that TEMPLE...Matthew 24:9-20,22
...WHEN it begins? TIME Unknown!
5. "Rapture" and "Second Coming"...finally to a throne in Jerusalem as King of Kings . Revelation 20:6
6. Begin GREAT TRIBULATION...Last 3.5 years of Daniel's 7 years...leading up to Armageddon...Matthew 24:21-27
7. Begin the Millenium Reign...Satan Bound...Revelation 20
8. Planet Earth and unsaved inhabitants/evil works destroyed by fire. 1 Peter 3
9. New Heavens + New Earth + New Jerusalem = eternal spiritual realm...Revelation 21

vinsight4u said:

There will not be a pre or mid-trib rapture. The church is here till the 7th trumpet has sounded and time of reward is announced. Luke 14:14 places that reward time as when the just will resurrected.

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It is not my intent to be contentious or critical, because I made the same argument in my youth.

So just let me ask this;

Who is the first fruits of the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:20
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.


IF Christ is the "FIRSTFRUITS" of the dead, would not everything else of the "dead" be second fruits of the "dead"?


But the 144,000 are called "FIRSTFRUITS".
Revelation 14:4
. . . . . . These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


IF Christ is the "FIRSTFRUITS" of the dead,

What is the ONLY "firstfruits" TITLE left available?


Firstfruits of the living?
These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Something to think about?

RGW00 said:

I believe we could be near it. The only reason for this is because God says it's happening soon, and the way things are moving and how fast the pace is in the world nowadays, it stands to reason that we are close. I can't put a pin on a certain lifetime but I can say that we are very close. God says that we will never know the exact time that Jesus will return but that we as Christians should be looking for signs. If you think about how fast we are advancing in technology, economy, etc. in the past 20 years alone versus the last 100 or even 1000 years, it's incredible to look how far we have come!

I believe because we are in a social media type of world and everyone is starting to talk about "bringing everything together into one" that we are close. For example, social media connected the entire world together to be able to have a one world connection. One world currency could be something that rises soon because of bitcoin.

If you don't know what bitcoin is, it is a relatively new type of cryptocurrency that uses super computers to confirm transactions and involves data-mining to fish more out. Meaning it is an unlimited source and could potentially be reliable for a one world currency. It is open source, meaning the transactions therein are anonymous. No one can hack into or otherwise take control of the currency and manipulate the prices involved.

In bitcoin, they can easily use a ledger to isolate new christians during the rapture (christians that decide to follow Jesus after Jesus returns to take the current ones up to heaven). This means that they can control who is able to buy what, and what part you play in the economy (which could be the mark).

As you can see, I have done some thinking about this. But I don't know for sure and I don't dwell on it because God doesn't want us to. The time that God decides is best is the time that He decides, and we won't even be here for it anyway (we as in Christians) to live through it, it's just interesting to think about though.

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Me and my sister was talking about that. She plays in a virtual world called Second Life ( I wonder if you heard of it) and I think they do involve bitcoins. I was telling her that such power of it would make it plausible to set it as a one world currency.

Time to put some stocks in.

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