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Sacrilege!...i nearly dropped me coffee brother...
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1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
The woman at at the well, Jesus knew all she did, but not once did He condemn her...He told her
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
Believing right causes right living...just as HE loved us while we were yet sinners. The spirit of Christ is to dwell WITHIN us...we become as HE is...a son that we always were...until we truly become one with that we think we see truth.
The Pharisees knew the scriptures inside out and yet Jesus said to them, "If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth."
And the whole Law is summed up with "Love your neighbour as yourself." Which is fulfilled IN Christ...when we truly know our identity...IN Christ we can walk in the perfect love that casts out all fear...sin will be gone...Perception is key...God asks Adam "Where art thou?" In Christ we are promised entry BACK into the Kingdom.
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Thank you kindly, my friend, but i must ask you (and that's an excellent post, by the way) yet i must ask you. Did you perhaps misunderstand what i posted/meant about "fear"?
God bless you.
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No. I understood what you meant. And as we grow, that fear diminishes...until 1 John 4:18 becomes our reality. If we are truly in HIS perfect will, what is there to fear?? Spirit and Truth are one...as we come to know who we are IN Christ.
If the spirit of Christ is living within us, how is it so many still see/perceive Him as something outside of 'self'?
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My friend, there is a Godly fear of God. It's a reverence for, an awe of and a recognition that He is the living God. I'm reading a book called of all things "The Joy of Fearing God" by Jerry Bridges. On the cover is an excerpt from Proverbs 14:27 "The fear of the Lord is a life-giving fountain."
Do a search on Bible verses about the "fear of the Lord".
I think there's a thread here on CF about the "fear of God". It's a delightful study.
God bless you.
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I just grabbed a couple of titles from the right column for comment.
What if they are right as the bible indicates? The "fire breathing" was an uncalled for cheap shot that only tells me they need help with their cause/lack defense. Just because some people get mad because Hell is taught and is a biblically factual, no need to shoot the messenger, and being mad at it, doesn't take hell out of existence.
It is enough, but I don't know one person who loves in *every* necessary sense of the word, not even close. Sounds pretty, and makes the opposing side sound so mean/not loving. Kind of a low comment actually.
Bottom line, I have my problems with conservatives too, but these people are using this to try to do away with biblical truth, because they would rather not believe them...it cramps their style...at least that's what I'm getting from it.
"I reject some of the Bible and am stand tall proud of it."
What if they are right as the bible indicates? The "fire breathing" was an uncalled for cheap shot that only tells me they need help with their cause/lack defense. Just because some people get mad because Hell is taught and is a biblically factual, no need to shoot the messenger, and being mad at it, doesn't take hell out of existence.
It is enough, but I don't know one person who loves in *every* necessary sense of the word, not even close. Sounds pretty, and makes the opposing side sound so mean/not loving. Kind of a low comment actually.
Bottom line, I have my problems with conservatives too, but these people are using this to try to do away with biblical truth, because they would rather not believe them...it cramps their style...at least that's what I'm getting from it.
"I reject some of the Bible and am stand tall proud of it."
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I stick to scripture...don't read anything else...but thank you.
Yes, our journey starts out with Godly fear, but HE promises to cast out ALL fear...God is LOVE...when we are truly ONE in Spirit and in Truth. The battle and failures come when there is duality still within...the soul/self against the spirit. IN Christ the victory is won. IN ONE...
Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
I can testify that I truly know the Father and that I am a son made in HIS image. HIS spirit confirms that from the depths of my inner being...by His spirit...His LOVE is amazing and it is what casts out all fear...which is the promise of the end of our faith.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Not knowing who we ARE is an identity crisis...for we are to put on Christ and have his spirit INSIDE of us...and gain singleness of eye...blind that we might SEE...until we can see that, fear remains...and that LOVE not yet realized within...
What brings fear? Fear of condemnation...?
EDIT: no gender implied where 'son' is mentioned.
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I was referring to Bible verses all throughout the Bible about the "fear of God". It is not a "dread" of God. God Himself emphasizes this again and again and again throughout His Word. it is a treasure to understand what this means. There is joy in the proper fear of God. The antithesis to it is a disregard and dismissing of and a contempt for a holy God, which is based on pride, and that struggle from the beginning. And that is us wanting to be our own "god". It began even before that however when Lucifer was bound and determined to be "as God", which means he wanted to de-throne God.
The bottom line with Lucifer?
He had no fear of God.
Just contempt.
It was based on his pride.
Which has been his downfall.
And ours.
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I truly understand from whence you speak. I used to walk in that same fear...and it got me to where HE has now brought me...HE brought...not myself...I had to lose my soul/self to find it again IN Him. (I call it my JOB experience..)very humbling...God brings low and exalts...nothing we can do our 'self'...
The process of soul/journey taking place within, the perception of fear changes...as HE increases and "I" decrease. Growth...growing up...
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I read the whole article. While I agree with the mentality of the author, they have gone too far in many of their "I'm no longer afraid..." conclusions. I agreed with about half. I guess that's why I'm a centrist.
These were true for me:
I’m No Longer Afraid to Speak and Live my Truth, Without Fear of Your Rejection
I’m No Longer Afraid to Live in a World of Grey
I’m No Longer Afraid To Love People, Without Fear of Aiding and Abetting Sin
I’m No Longer Afraid To Walk Away from You and “Church” Altogether
These were not true for me:
I’m No Longer Afraid to Embrace Science, Social justice, and Human Dignity
I’m No Longer Afraid to Break Free from the Chains of Biblical Inerrancy
I’m No Longer Afraid To See Women as Equal in All Things
I’m No Longer Afraid To Affirm the LGBTQ Community
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I find God delightful and i love that He rejoices over me with singing and that His Holy Spirit prompts me to smile from the inside, out, and that His joy is my strength, and that i can rejoice in Him because He is a GOOD God.
I fear you have misunderstood me my friend.
But have no fear, all is well.
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That too is an interesting quote. Paul certainly teaches that Christians are in Christ but Paul appears to mean that by being in Christ one is thereby made a Christian rather than implying that one becomes a Christian and thereafter is absolutely and completely in Christ regardless of beliefs and actions from that time onwards. Stated that way the contrast between Paul and Mr Kratzer almost looks like the debate between those who warn against loss of salvation and those who rely on "Once saved always saved" theology.
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**I've not read through all the posts (so....forgive me if this is out of place)**
I'm confused why you'd write this, Brinny:
Why is it "Sad" that he's no longer afraid? Isn't this article clear that he's speaking about a new-found freedom and peace? Why do you read the article and take away that something is "ailing this man"?
Especially if you read this part:
.....I even found the comment section to be hopeful and encouraging (contrary to most blog comment sections).
I'm confused why you'd write this, Brinny:
Why is it "Sad" that he's no longer afraid? Isn't this article clear that he's speaking about a new-found freedom and peace? Why do you read the article and take away that something is "ailing this man"?
Especially if you read this part:
Chris Kratzer said:
.....I even found the comment section to be hopeful and encouraging (contrary to most blog comment sections).
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I don't know what this means "I won't use the language I'm sure he would to describe it".....but if you're thinking the author's picture is on the article---that's not him (why is there even a critique of --what you thought was--his appearance?).
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Then the Bible promotes pantheism--because that's straight from the Bible:
“But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness.”—Romans 8:10
“I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.”—Galatians 2:20
“Christ in you, the hope of glory.”—Colossians 1:27
"Remain in Me, and I will remain in you. Just as no branch can bear fruit by itself unless it remains in the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in Me." --John 15:4
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What perspective don't you share about it?
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