Your God is not going to heal me

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:oldthumbsup: What gives Satan an opportunity to bring Yahweh's hand upon us? Hosea 4:6 (A lack of knowledge). What keeps us from His judgement? 1 John 2:1 & Hebrews 7:25. Jesus is our High Priest who represents us in the courts of heaven (Hebrews 2:16-17).

No, sin is a behavioural defect (self-centredness, lovelessness), that is taught to us by the world around us. Sin is not genetic, it is spiritual.
Good, now I can have sex with my sister. Since there's nothing faulty with our bloodlines.
 
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Good, now I can have sex with my sister. Since there's nothing faulty with our bloodlines.
It's interesting that your conscience makes an objection to that. Do you understand why it does that?
 
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Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.

He can heal and He does, but the thing is, we often reject His healing. Sister, by seeking Him, asking Him for forgiveness and forgiving others we start a healing process. We often carry many burdens on our heart, many resentments, prides and unkind thoughts and deeds which weigh us down and affect our body. By lightening the burden by asking for forgiveness ad forgiving others and changing our ways to be more like Him and less on only us and our needs we begin to heal. We all are in need of forgiveness sister and we know Jesus forgives us if we sincerely ask Him so that's why we don't end up destroying our beliefs.
 
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It's interesting that your conscience makes an objection to that. Do you understand why it does that?
Yeah I do, because alot of Christians have said to me in the past that the children of Adam and Eve only married off because they had pure bloodlines.
 
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He can heal and He does, but the thing is, we often reject His healing. Sister, by seeking Him, asking Him for forgiveness and forgiving others we start a healing process. We often carry many burdens on our heart, many resentments, prides and unkind thoughts and deeds which weigh us down and affect our body. By lightening the burden by asking for forgiveness ad forgiving others and changing our ways to be more like Him and less on only us and our needs we begin to heal. We all are in need of forgiveness sister and we know Jesus forgives us if we sincerely ask Him so that's why we don't end up destroying our beliefs.
If I become like Jesus then I'm a nobody.
 
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Yeah I do, because alot of Christians have said to me in the past that the children of Adam and Eve only married off because they had pure bloodlines.
Well, as you know, most Christians grab the first belief they come across and it never appeals to them that they should question it. But that whole picture you have just doesn't quite add up, does it? .. and this is a pretty fundamental layer in it.

Sin is not caused by a genetic defectiveness, it is caused by a spiritual defectiveness.
 
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Well, as you know, most Christians grab the first belief they come across and it never appeals to them that they should question it. But that whole picture you have just doesn't quite add up, does it? .. and this is a pretty fundamental layer in it.

Sin is not caused by a genetic defectiveness, it is caused by a spiritual defectiveness.
Sin is certainly genetic, it first caused mortal death, second it caused a inherited fault in in our species. If it was only spiritual, then Jesus ought not to have come to die physically then be resurrected. Besides this, Jesus was humanly perfect body and soul. Which we are not, because we inherited death from the sin of Adam and Eve.
 
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Sin is certainly genetic,
  1. it first caused mortal death,
  2. second it caused a inherited fault in in our species.
Could you please copy/paste the exact wording of the scriptures that you are reading as having said this?
If it was only spiritual, then Jesus ought not to have come to die physically then be resurrected.
This reveals another fundamental layer of your view that needs to be worked through, because Jesus did in fact give every opportunity to the religious leaders to repent. Think deeply on this. Remember Luke 13:34. He even endured severe beating and waited in agony for three hours on the cross before He surrendered His spirit and left.

The religious leaders were well and truly obstinate and nobody who admired Jesus had the courage to stand up to them, so it simply proved impossible for mankind to cooperate with God to fulfil Messianic prophecies at that stage of time. Thus indeed God loved the world, that He gave up His only-begotten son!

Even so, by going this way about it, His death and resurrection does in fact form the remedy to the spiritual problem (consider Ephesians 4:10, Philippians 3:21b and Revelation 12:7-11).
Besides this, Jesus was humanly perfect body and soul. Which we are not, because we inherited death from the sin of Adam and Eve.
These are true words, though the death is a spiritual disease. I think you would see this if you would not make a base assumption that humans lived forever, but that they were mortal to begin with and that the tree of life was able to sustain them (See Genesis 3:22).
 
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If I become like Jesus then I'm a nobody.
The sad thing is not that you aren't being healed, the sad thing is that your soul is full of hate for God and you're on the road to Hell. We live a short time then we die, and after that our eternal soul lives somewhere. If you separate yourself from God now, you'll be eternally separated after you die. I watched this play out with my brother, but fortunately God wouldn't let him die until he found is way back to the Lord. When he did die, I know he took his left breath in Heaven.
 
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Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.
we understand that the LORD isn't a genie in a bottle here to grant all our wishes but the sovereign creator of all things that does things for the purpose of His glory.
 
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There's so many views here, I think I know what your saying. It's true the God of the bible harms, but it's satan that is the contender for that harm. Yeah I don't know, it's a sticky subject.

there is a true God that never causes evil to any soul, satan is the causer of evil

Blessings
 
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I sure have big ears.
I understand your anger. But being angry at God isn't helpful. Change your attitude towards God, and your eyes will be open to His love for you.

Jeremiah 33:3 (NKJV) "Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know."

James 1:5 (NKJV) "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."

Matthew 11:28 (NKJV) "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
 
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Next will be the ''I didn't ask to be born'' thingy ^_^
I hope not ;) I would like to hear some good news from him today :oldthumbsup:
Tell the wife I said HELLO :wave: but be careful that she dont take your computer from you again lol
 
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Even so, by going this way about it, His death and resurrection does in fact form the remedy to the spiritual problem (consider Ephesians 4:10, Philippians 3:21b and Revelation 12:7-11).

These are true words, though the death is a spiritual disease. I think you would see this if you would not make a base assumption that humans lived forever, but that they were mortal to begin with and that the tree of life was able to sustain them (See Genesis 3:22).
There is a problem here for Christians who believe that Adam and Eves sin caused mortal death. Jesus was susceptible too death, so does that mean Jesus had Adam and Eves fault?

I'm only arguing samatics here, I no longer believe any of this.
 
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I understand your anger. But being angry at God isn't helpful. Change your attitude towards God, and your eyes will be open to His love for you.

Jeremiah 33:3 (NKJV) "Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know."

James 1:5 (NKJV) "If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."

Matthew 11:28 (NKJV) "Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."
Who's angry? Not me.
 
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This is a pretty vague reply. Care to elaborate? I've tested my faith, too, and come to very different conclusions than you have.
I had a friend along time ago say "Keep God simple" It's through simple repeatable circumstances that can't be explained by direct human effort, that clued me on to an external force interacting with me and the lifes of others. Then these events continued more after I shed my Christian beliefs.
 
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