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Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by UnderPar, Jul 7, 2017.

  1. UnderPar

    UnderPar Life's linchpin

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    What are you saying, it's not you who's mistaken if the bible says that. But then the person who argues the opposite point is probably not mistaken either.

    It totally is the source material.
     
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  2. aiki

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    At some point, coincidence stops being a sufficient explanation of repeated answers to prayer. I have had many thousands of instances of answered prayer. Some have been quite remarkable but most are more mundane and relatively insignificant. But there is always a direct correlation between the prayer and its answer. The answer is often extremely specific to the prayer and timed in such a way as to demonstrate God's involvement. On this head, you might find the biography of George Mueller of interest. He ran an orphanage in England in the mid to late 1800s and established many schools, recording in the process tens of thousands of prayers and their answers, some of them quite astonishing.

    Oh? How do you know this?

    Again, how do you know this?

    And you know this how, exactly?
     
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  3. Serving Zion

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    There has not been any source material presented in opposition to my message though. I am willing to review your application of the scriptures, if you are serious about achieving confidence in your own opinion of the author's original faith.
     
  4. UnderPar

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    How do I know this and that? Through vigorously testing my faith.
     
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  5. UnderPar

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    How can you change your opinion if I prove the opposite from the bible, you end up dealing with a false dichotomy.
     
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  6. Solomons Porch

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    If you get in the car/truck and drive 10 miles to a drug store to pick up a medication that you knew would provide relief then thus the same, you are believing in the product you are seeking, if you did not believe in it, you wouldn't go get it, thus the same as faith, you believe.

    We believe in the product.
    1+1=2
    Faith + action = results
    Faith - action = is dead
     
  7. UnderPar

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    You think I haven't put my faith in the bible God, you think I haven't driven my busted up vehicle around to Jesus house and not begged for help.

    All I can think is that, if this God is real he doesn't want me well now. Or he doesn't exist, so I'm asking help in the wrong place.
     
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    I'm fixing to go to sleep but before I do can I ask you what you want to be healed from and I will pray for you before sleeping? Can I do that?
     
  9. UnderPar

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    Start with chronic paranoid schizophrenia.
     
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    I am sorry you are having to deal with this. Don't be angry with God because your request for healing hasn't been granted. Jesus gave His life for you. And that is enough. It's His love for you that you need to hold on to. His love will give you strength to keep moving forward. Don't give up on God.
     
  11. UnderPar

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    It's not enough, what's the point of being given a life when that whole life is colored in illness.
     
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    All suffering will come to an end: Revelation 21:4 (NKJV) "And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."

    Why not ask God to show you how you can use your experience to help others? Have you done that?
     
  13. UnderPar

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    I sure have big ears.
     
  14. Serving Zion

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    Can you please explain this to me? I don't understand what this means.
     
  15. UnderPar

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    I guess that two points can't be true and false at the same time. If we each find a verse in the bible that corresponds to truth, but one truth is against another truth you have a false dichotomy.
     
  16. toLiJC

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    there are many things in the Bible that are hard to understand, the Word recorded in the biblical scriptures is just a "seed", and in principle there is a need for deep "insight" so that the "seed" may be "cultivated", "grow" and "bear fruits"; one hint: every time when Jehovah caused evil to people, it was actually satan the one that caused that evil, not the true God, satan had just had great power in the "heaven" during the times before the establishment/enactment of the New Covenant, with which he was able to manifest as if he is a part of God, including a part of Jehovah, he was even able to impose many imperfections on the way the law of the old covenant was established/written; people saw one God who is both good and evil, but the truth is that the true God was in constant struggle with the wicked/evil one, as it is intimated by St Jude the Apostle:

    Jude 1:9 "when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment(i.e. He did not dare to underestimate the potential of satan), but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”"

    satan had unfortunately managed to use the body of Moses in crucial moments in order to impose imperfections on the law, because he pressured Moses through people among the israelites who constantly demanded unrighteous things from him, e.g. someone said to him: "Moses, one man has broken my hand, and now he walks with two healthy hands, while i suffer with my broken hand, i want that man to be punished accordingly, otherwise i won't calm down and won't stop demanding my rights...", another man said: "Moses, i caught my wife having sex with another man, i want that harlot to be killed, either there will be a fair law or i will kill her myself...", another man said: "Moses, i want to divorce my wife, she has turned out to be very nasty woman, she behaves stupidly all the time..." - Moses had constantly been pressured by thousands of people who wanted to pay back evil for evil and to treat their neighbors badly, which was contrary to the holy law of God (which says "don't kill" and don't cause evil to any person for any reason and by any way in principle), so there had been a constant struggle between the true God and the wicked/evil one

    Mark 10:2-9 "Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife. And He answered and said to them, What did Moses command you? They said, Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away. But Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. But from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother, and the two shall become one flesh; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."

    the true God is still in struggle with the "darkness", though all that power that satan had had in the "heaven" has been taken away, so the true One has been in struggle with the "darkness" since the beginning of the eternity, of course this war cannot last for more than about 5-6 millennia as of the day of the Fall, but now it is still important for the religious worshipers and spiritual servants to be careful not to serve the "darkness"...

    Revelation 17:10 "there are seven kings(i.e. seven times): five are fallen(i.e. five millennia may pass as of the day of the Fall), and one is(i.e. and the end may come in the sixth millennium), and the other is not yet come(i.e. and the time for which evil may reign in the sixth millennium has not yet begun); and when he cometh, he must continue a short space(i.e. but its length will be short)."

    also, many biblical words and expressions have special/spiritual meanings that cannot be found in the hitherto prevailing dictionaries and encyclopedias, even the strong's lexicon is poor to explain these things, because they can be discerned/experienced/appraised only spiritually i.e. through the process of practicing the faith in the true One right enough

    2 Peter 3:14-16 "be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.",

    1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (NIV) "The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.",

    2 Corinthians 3:5-6 "Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

    Blessings
     
  17. UnderPar

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    There's so many views here, I think I know what your saying. It's true the God of the bible harms, but it's satan that is the contender for that harm. Yeah I don't know, it's a sticky subject.
     
  18. Serving Zion

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    That only happens if one verse is being misread (because then it is not truth at all), otherwise the two verses will be consistent, because truth has no inconsistency. That is in fact the litmus test that proves and disproves whether a doctrine belongs to the authoring spirit of the scriptures (The Holy Spirit vs. devil/The Father of Lies/antichrist).

    You are aware that St. John has warned that the antichrist spirit came into the world because of false teachers who taught departures from the original faith. So it is important to test all our doctrines, and two heads are better than one. I am confident that I have not yet been shown to have departed from the truth with this doctrine, but I will never have an attitude that I will never encounter a need to repent, because it still happens occasionally. Afterall, it is through having questioned and repented of false doctrines that I have come to possess such certainty and command of the truth this day.

    As I have shown you two verses that disprove the doctrine that newborns are sinners, if you can show me some scriptures that you believe is proof that The Holy Spirit teaches us that newborns are sinners, then we shall identify whether the scriptures are conflicting or not. Until that happens though, you are dismissing proof that your doctrine is faulty without testing it. This reveals an intellectual bias toward that doctrine, and the motive for that needs to come into question.. that would get us closer to diagnosing the cure to your ailment.
     
  19. UnderPar

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    Is our sin nature inherited from Adam and Eve?

    If so, we are not born straight but sick.
     
  20. Serving Zion

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    :oldthumbsup: What gives Satan an opportunity to bring Yahweh's hand upon us? Hosea 4:6 (A lack of knowledge). What keeps us from His judgement? 1 John 2:1 & Hebrews 7:25. Jesus is our High Priest who represents us in the courts of heaven (Hebrews 2:16-17).
    No, sin is a behavioural defect (self-centredness, lovelessness), that is taught to us by the world around us. Sin is not genetic, it is spiritual.
     
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