Your God is not going to heal me

[UnderPar]

WHY!

 

[Solomons Porch]

WHY!

Hi, whats wrong?

 

[Christie insb]

What do you need healing from? I believe in prayer and I am sure others on this group do as well. I doubt it would do you any harm to be prayed for by strangers across the Internet, and there might be some benefit, whether it is physical healing or something else.

 

[LilShepherdBoy]

WHY!

Most of the time, it's a test. Your answer is found in Him.

Matthew 6:33 New King James Version (NKJV)
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

Psalm 37:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
Delight yourself also in the Lord,
And He shall give you the desires of your heart.

 

[LilShepherdBoy]

Psalm 50:15 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
God says, “Call me when trouble comes.
I will help you, and you will honor me.”

Deuteronomy 4:29-31 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
29 But there in these other lands you will look for the Lord your God. And if you look for him with all your heart and soul, you will find him. 30 When you are in trouble—when all these things happen to you—then you will come back to the Lord your God and obey him. 31 The Lord your God is a merciful God! He will not leave you there or destroy you completely. He will not forget the agreement that he made with your ancestors.

 

[Tolworth John]

WHY!

More to the point, why should he?

 

[Chanticleera]

More to the point, why should he?

This. Why should he?

 

[Tolworth John]

This. Why should he?

Well, why should God do what we want him to do?

Who is the creator the poster or God?
Who should obey whom, should God obey the created being or should the created being obey God?

 

[dysert]

WHY!

Possibly the same reason He hasn't healed me.

"Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him"

 

[Petros2015]

"Two Gods - one of Circumstance and one of Spirit. One I rarely found, the other I rarely sought."

 

[UnderPar]

Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.

 

[aiki]

Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.

Are you going to respond to the questions and observations made in the replies you've received? Or is this thread just a vehicle for your venting against Christianity and God?

 

[Serving Zion]

Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.

I will always remind the ones who deserve to know, that many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Do you remember how St. Paul was writing about this? He was describing that as he was about to leave them, they would have nobody of his status to teach them, and being amidst such swathes of false teachers who were perverting The Gospel, that they would need to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

While searching through scriptures this morning, I found Exodus 15:26 that seems it might speak to you. I was trying to find a verse, with keywords I remember to the effect "Of course I will save you! .. but you are listening to what they tell you and not me!" .. although it was years ago that I read that comprehension, and now of course, I did look for ten minutes in various searches.. well, hopefully this will be useful to you.

Dear Lord God, I just wish to ask for your help here, because there is only so much we can do on our own. I pray that our brother will have stamina and patience, but also lasting passion, to push right through and discover you in the fullness of your love, so that he can be accomplished in his representation of faith for your cause, having you as an everlasting friend, leader, and companion. I pray in Jesus' name, amen.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Funny how you have to have faith to be healed. As if God needs that, as if he can't just heal someone period.

How do you Christians hold on to such views and not end up destroying your own beliefs.

Well, UnderPar, not all of us believe that God is primarily in the 'healing' business. Sure, I believe HE 'can' heal people; but the question remains: Is He healing people? Personally, I don't think that today's expectations should be what they are. Of course, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to be shown by the power of other people's prayer that I am indeed wrong. But I think that many expectations for healing among present day Christians come more or less from a faulty hermeneutical practice with the Bible.

To understand better where I'm coming from on this, see the book by the late Ron Dunn - Will God Heal Me?: Faith in the Midst of Suffering. This is pretty much my position on the subject, more or less.

Even with that said, I'm sorry you're facing some tough times with your health. And although it may sound cliche for me to say that I will pray for you; I will pray for you.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

 

[UnderPar]

Well, UnderPar, not all of us believe that God is primarily in the 'healing' business. Sure, I believe HE 'can' heal people; but the question remains: Is He healing people? Personally, I don't think that today's expectations should be what they are. Of course, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to be shown by the power of other people's prayer that I am indeed wrong. But I think that many expectations for healing among present day Christians come more or less from a faulty hermeneutical practice with the Bible.

To understand better where I'm coming from on this, see the book by the late Ron Dunn - Will God Heal Me?: Faith in the Midst of Suffering. This is pretty much my position on the subject, more or less.

Even with that said, I'm sorry you're facing some tough times with your health. And although it may sound cliche for me to say that I will pray for you; I will pray for you.

Peace,
2PhiloVoid

It's always "Your healing is just around the corner" With many believers, it's always another corner, then another. Until when? Until when? Until I'm dead?

 

[Chanticleera]

It's always "Your healing is just around the corner" With many believers, it's always another corner, then another. Until when? Until when? Until I'm dead?

If they aren't the ones healing you - and they aren't - I don't think their opinion matters.

It is God's opinion that matters. I am a new Christian, and I could have told you as an agnostic you cannot judge God based on his followers. It would make it handy if you can, but you can't. You have to judge God based on HIS actions and words - and those you will find in the Bible.

My theory on healing (admittedly I am no expert) is that the state of your soul is FAR more important than the state of your body. If you refuse to allow God to heal your soul, why should he heal your body?

An example - my mother is a hoarder, and is always after me to clean her house for her. Her version of that is cleaning around the piles of junk. I refuse, and I tell her..."Let me get rid of the trash making this house so bad, and I will have it absolutely spotless for you. But there is no point coming in here and moving piles around and dusting around them, because it doesn't resolve anything."

In the same way, your asking God to heal a vessel, when what is inside is poisoned and bitter and angry. I would recommend get what is inside healed first.

 

[UnderPar]

I will always remind the ones who deserve to know, that many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Do you remember how St. Paul was writing about this? He was describing that as he was about to leave them, they would have nobody of his status to teach them, and being amidst such swathes of false teachers who were perverting The Gospel, that they would need to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling.

While searching through scriptures this morning, I found Exodus 15:26 that seems it might speak to you. I was trying to find a verse, with keywords I remember to the effect "Of course I will save you! .. but you are listening to what they tell you and not me!" .. although it was years ago that I read that comprehension, and now of course, I did look for ten minutes in various searches.. well, hopefully this will be useful to you.

Dear Lord God, I just wish to ask for your help here, because there is only so much we can do on our own. I pray that our brother will have stamina and patience, but also lasting passion, to push right through and discover you in the fullness of your love, so that he can be accomplished in his representation of faith for your cause, having you as an everlasting friend, leader, and companion. I pray in Jesus' name, amen.

I can't read the bible anymore, it's become a disappointment. Humans are not as blood thirsty as the bible God. He's half loving and half vengeful, there's something really wrong with this whole picture.

Show me a completely loving God, without some desire to seek vengeance.

 

[UnderPar]

If they aren't the ones healing you - and they aren't - I don't think their opinion matters.

It is God's opinion that matters. I am a new Christian, and I could have told you as an agnostic you cannot judge God based on his followers. It would make it handy if you can, but you can't. You have to judge God based on HIS actions and words - and those you will find in the Bible.

My theory on healing (admittedly I am no expert) is that the state of your soul is FAR more important than the state of your body. If you refuse to allow God to heal your soul, why should he heal your body?

An example - my mother is a hoarder, and is always after me to clean her house for her. Her version of that is cleaning around the piles of junk. I refuse, and I tell her..."Let me get rid of the trash making this house so bad, and I will have it absolutely spotless for you. But there is no point coming in here and moving piles around and dusting around them, because it doesn't resolve anything."

In the same way, your asking God to heal a vessel, when what is inside is poisoned and bitter and angry. I would recommend get what is inside healed first.

He has to at least meet me half way right? There are some things my creator has to fix for me.

Must I do everything, then give him the credit later.

No.

 

[Chanticleera]

That God doesn't exist.

If you see someone 6 foot guy pounding on a sixteen year old girl, wouldn't you want vengeance/justice?
If you see a dad beating the crap out of his six year old kid, wouldn't you want vengeance/justice?
If you see a woman or man flagrantly cheating on their spouse, wouldn't you want vengeance/justice?

With our warped view of right and wrong, how much more so should the heart of a loving, righteous God burn in fury at seeing such sin and evil as in in our world?

What kind of God would that be, who loved injustice and evil? Not a God I would want anything to do with.

 

[UnderPar]

Are you going to respond to the questions and observations made in the replies you've received? Or is this thread just a vehicle for your venting against Christianity and God?

I was incapacitated.