The Marriage

Johan Abrahams · Mar 7, 2017

God created Adam in His image.

Gen 2:18 Later, the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a companion that is a suitable match for him."

And surely. . it is not good to be alone!

Gen 2:21 so the LORD God caused a deep sleep to overshadow the man. When the man was asleep, he removed one of the man's ribs and closed up the flesh where it had been.

Gen 2:22 Then the LORD God formed the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.

Gen 2:23 So the man exclaimed, "At last! This is bone from my bones and flesh from my flesh. This one will be called 'Woman,' because she was taken from Man."

So God ceated a companion for man. Someone that is his equal . . .and not his child.

In this present moment in history . . we find that God has many children . . . but no companion. And we know that true fulfilment cannot be without a family.

“And surely. . it is not good to be alone!”

And God created for Himself children. This we all know . . .but where is the companion.

Or is God destined to live only with His children. . . .living in this “not good” situation.

“And surely. . it is not good to be alone!”

But we see something else in Scripture nd surely. .

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And we see the growing up of His children.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

And then? Are we then destined to be still children? And God destined to be alone?

No. Surely not. Then we are ready for the grown-up relationship! Companionship . . .because we are not children anymore . . .and the relationship can obviously not be that of children anymore!

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Love Johan

SkyWriting · Apr 22, 2017

Johan Abrahams said:
Son 1:2

Don't know that one.

Johan Abrahams · Apr 24, 2017

SkyWriting said:
Don't know that one.

The book of Solomon

Son 1:1 The song of songs, which is Solomon's.
The Bride Confesses Her Love
Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Love Johan

FrankDux · Apr 24, 2017

Sacred marriage of the Mesopotamian kings was quite interesting

It's why they claimed to be gods on earth ( they would marry the god in heaven )

Johan Abrahams · Apr 26, 2017

FrankDux said:
Sacred marriage of the Mesopotamian kings was quite interesting

It's why they claimed to be gods on earth ( they would marry the god in heaven )

Well for us it started when we died as humans and were born again from God.

FrankDux · Apr 26, 2017

That's cool, John, I always like hearing what people believe

Johan Abrahams · May 2, 2017

FrankDux said:
That's cool, John, I always like hearing what people believe

So we, as born from God, godly beings now, grow up in His Life, naturally as every species on earth does, and thus we are able to be a companion for Him when we are fully grown in His Life. We do not just get it because of a decision to get married.

Love Johan

Ron Gurley · May 2, 2017

God makes spiritual unions between male and female. From Eden until now,
the two shall become "ONE FLESH". In the RCC, it is one of the revered 7 sacraments.

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a MAN (male) shall leave his father and his mother,
and be joined to his WIFE; (female)
and they (A&E) shall become "one flesh"....(spiritually joined)

Genesis 1:27
God created man in His own (spiritual) image,
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Matthew 19:4-6 (NASB)...Jesus: Concerning Marriage and Divorce
...“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said,
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

Ephesians 5: 22-33... Marriage is Like Christ and the "Church"
each individual among you also is to love his own WIFE even as himself,
and the wife must see to it that she respects her HUSBAND.

Malachi 2:15 (NIV)
Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one?
Because he was seeking godly offspring.
So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

...GOD HATES DIVORCE! HE LOVES DIVORCEE's! It is a forgivable sin!

The RULES!?!

Matthew 5:27-28,31-32...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount to crowds + disciples
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’;
28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart....
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’;
32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity,
makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:8..He said to them,
“Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning (Eden) it has not been this way.

1 Corinthians 7 (NASB)...Paul's Teaching on Marriage...The EXCEPTIONS?
12 But to the rest I say, NOT the Lord,
that if any brother (believer) has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.
13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband,
and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave;
the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
(OK to remarry?)
16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband?
Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

2-4-6-8...what is the meaning of FORNICATE?

Matthew 15:19...Jesus on the heart / soul of natural man / the flesh / the sin nature
For out of the heart come: evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications,
thefts, false witness, slanders. (and the like!)

fornications...Greek 4202...inappropriate contenteia...
I.illicit sexual intercourse
A.adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
B.sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
C.sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12

Johan Abrahams · May 7, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
God makes spiritual unions between male and female. From Eden until now,
the two shall become "ONE FLESH". In the RCC, it is one of the revered 7 sacraments.

Yes brother. . . .and you wrote a lot about it.
But this thread is about the marriage of the bride and the Bridegroom.
The marriage of God and man.
And everything you wrote is good. For the marriage between human beings.
And God gave everything too human beings so that they can now what marriage is about. And here in the earthly marriage we learn . . .and then we know what is important for the heavenly one. God created everything on earth so that we can understand what He meant with the heavenlies. So we know now what to expect from the heavenly one. And when we are ready and grown we can enter now in the marriage of the bride and the Bridegroom.

The point is:When you are fully grown in Christ then you enter into the marriage. It is not the benefit after death. And it is not a time event from God that we are waiting upon.

Love Johan

Genesis 2:24
For this reason a MAN (male) shall leave his father and his mother,
and be joined to his WIFE; (female)
and they (A&E) shall become "one flesh"....(spiritually joined)

Genesis 1:27
God created man in His own (spiritual) image,
in the image of God He created him;
male and female He created them.

Matthew 19:4-6 (NASB)...Jesus: Concerning Marriage and Divorce
...“Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said,
‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?
So they are no longer two, but one flesh.
What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

Ephesians 5: 22-33... Marriage is Like Christ and the "Church"
each individual among you also is to love his own WIFE even as himself,
and the wife must see to it that she respects her HUSBAND.

Malachi 2:15 (NIV)
Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one?
Because he was seeking godly offspring.
So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

...GOD HATES DIVORCE! HE LOVES DIVORCEE's! It is a forgivable sin!

The RULES!?!

Matthew 5:27-28,31-32...Jesus: Sermon on the Mount to crowds + disciples
27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’;
28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart....
31 “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’;
32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity,
makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

Matthew 19:8..He said to them,
“Because of your hardness of heart, Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning (Eden) it has not been this way.

1 Corinthians 7 (NASB)...Paul's Teaching on Marriage...The EXCEPTIONS?
12 But to the rest I say, NOT the Lord,
that if any brother (believer) has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her.
13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband,
and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy.
Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave;
the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace.
(OK to remarry?)
16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband?
Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

2-4-6-8...what is the meaning of FORNICATE?

Matthew 15:19...Jesus on the heart / soul of natural man / the flesh / the sin nature
For out of the heart come: evil thoughts, murders, adulteries,
fornications,
thefts, false witness, slanders. (and the like!)

fornications...Greek 4202...inappropriate contenteia...
I.illicit sexual intercourse
A.adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
B.sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
C.sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12[/QUOTE]

Ron Gurley · May 7, 2017

Jesus is the "Bridegroom" ... THE ("CHURCH")is his "Bride" !!

Revelation 22:17,20
The (God Holy) Spirit and "the bride" ("CHURCH" = body of Christ) say, “Come.”
And let the one who hears say, “Come.”
And let the one who is thirsty come;
let the one who wishes take the "water of life" (eternal spiritual life) without cost...
20 He who testifies to these things says,
“Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen.
Come, Lord Jesus.

Matthew 25(NASB)...Jesus: Parable of Ten Virgins
25 “Then the "kingdom of heaven" will be comparable to ten virgins,
who took their lamps and went out to meet the (ONE!) bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
4 but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
5 Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
6 But at midnight there was a SHOUT, (trumpet?)
‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
9 But the prudent answered,
‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’
10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, >>the bridegroom came<<,
and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’

13 >>Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.<<<(of the Second Coming!)

1. JESUS is the bridegroom.
2. Foolish virgins are the unprepared UN-believers.
3. Prudent/wise vigins are the prepared / sanctifed believers...(The "CHURCH")

John 3:29
He who has the bride (CHURCH) is the bridegroom (JESUS); but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, (BELIEVERS)
rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice.
So this joy of mine has been made full.

Matthew 24 (NASB)...No one knows the START of 7 years TRIBULATION / Second Coming
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows,
not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.(highest RANKED of the TRI-NE GOD )
37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.(sudden flood)...
42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming...
44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

The BRIDEGROOM... coming for His Bride!

Johan Abrahams · May 9, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
Jesus is the "Bridegroom" ... THE ("CHURCH")is his "Bride" !!

Revelation 22:17,20
The (God Holy) Spirit and "the bride" ("CHURCH" = body of Christ) say, “Come.”
And let the one who hears say, “Come.”
And let the one who is thirsty come;
let the one who wishes take the "water of life" (eternal spiritual life) without cost...
20 He who testifies to these things says,
“Yes, I am coming quickly.” Amen.
Come, Lord Jesus.

Matthew 25(NASB)...Jesus: Parable of Ten Virgins
25 “Then the "kingdom of heaven" will be comparable to ten virgins,
who took their lamps and went out to meet the (ONE!) bridegroom.
2 Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent.
3 For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them,
4 but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps.
5 Now while the bridegroom was delaying, they all got drowsy and began to sleep.
6 But at midnight there was a SHOUT, (trumpet?)
‘Behold, the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’
7 Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps.
8 The foolish said to the prudent, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’
9 But the prudent answered,
‘No, there will not be enough for us and you too; go instead to the dealers and buy some for yourselves.’
10 And while they were going away to make the purchase, >>the bridegroom came<<,
and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding feast; and the door was shut.
11 Later the other virgins also came, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open up for us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly I say to you, I do not know you.’

13 >>Be on the alert then, for you do not know the day nor the hour.<<<(of the Second Coming!)

1. JESUS is the bridegroom.
2. Foolish virgins are the unprepared UN-believers.
3. Prudent/wise vigins are the prepared / sanctifed believers...(The "CHURCH")

John 3:29
He who has the bride (CHURCH) is the bridegroom (JESUS); but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, (BELIEVERS)
rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice.
So this joy of mine has been made full.

Matthew 24 (NASB)...No one knows the START of 7 years TRIBULATION / Second Coming
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows,
not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.(highest RANKED of the TRI-NE GOD )
37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah.(sudden flood)...
42 “Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming...
44 For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

The BRIDEGROOM... coming for His Bride!

I would not want to be married to a "church"

Love Johan

Ron Gurley · May 9, 2017

PLEASE: do you want to talk about??:
1. Male - Female marriages
2. Jesus - "CHURCH" "marriages"

Ephesians 5:22-25,29,32 [ "Human Marriage" is Like "Christ and the "CHURCH"" weddings ]
Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
For the husband is the head of the wife,
as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,...
for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church,...
This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

Johan Abrahams · May 11, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
PLEASE: do you want to talk about??:
1. Male - Female marriages
2. Jesus - "CHURCH" "marriages"

God and His wife. A very personal relationship.

Ron Gurley said:
Ephesians 5:22-25,29,32 [ "Human Marriage" is Like "Christ and the "CHURCH"" weddings ]
Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
For the husband is the head of the wife,
as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,...
for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church,...
This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church.

Just as the church is the children of God . . .but everyone has a very personal relationship so also with His bride.

Love Johan

Ron Gurley · May 11, 2017

Post #13" "God and His wife "

The TRI-UNE GOD is pure and perfect SPIRIT! He has no "wife" according to the Bible

the "church" is the "children of God"

The "CHURCH" is the Body of Christ....collective believers.

Johan Abrahams · May 12, 2017

Ron Gurley said:
Post #13" "God and His wife "

The TRI-UNE GOD is pure and perfect SPIRIT! He has no "wife" according to the Bible

Not so:
Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

and:
Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

and:
Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

If you read again my thread you will see that this is what I was talking about.

Love Johan

DrBubbaLove · May 12, 2017

Johan Abrahams said:
God created Adam in His image.

Gen 2:18 Later, the LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make for him a companion that is a suitable match for him."

And surely. . it is not good to be alone!

Gen 2:21 so the LORD God caused a deep sleep to overshadow the man. When the man was asleep, he removed one of the man's ribs and closed up the flesh where it had been.

Gen 2:22 Then the LORD God formed the rib that he had taken from the man into a woman and brought her to the man.

Gen 2:23 So the man exclaimed, "At last! This is bone from my bones and flesh from my flesh. This one will be called 'Woman,' because she was taken from Man."

So God ceated a companion for man. Someone that is his equal . . .and not his child.

In this present moment in history . . we find that God has many children . . . but no companion. And we know that true fulfilment cannot be without a family.

“And surely. . it is not good to be alone!”

And God created for Himself children. This we all know . . .but where is the companion.

Or is God destined to live only with His children. . . .living in this “not good” situation.

“And surely. . it is not good to be alone!”

But we see something else in Scripture nd surely. .

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

And we see the growing up of His children.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

And then? Are we then destined to be still children? And God destined to be alone?

No. Surely not. Then we are ready for the grown-up relationship! Companionship . . .because we are not children anymore . . .and the relationship can obviously not be that of children anymore!

Son 1:2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

Love Johan

This theme presented neglects the fact They are not alone and never have been alone. The Alpha and Omega are Three and where there are more than One, there is always a proper object for Love. The Holy Spirit is often called the Spirit of Love and some associate Him with the Perfect out pouring of the Love between the Father and Son.

The other thing to be rejected about this theme, if it was meant intentionally or not, is the idea of a Perfect God that lacks anything. God did not need to create us. We are thankful He did and that He made us to share in His Eternal Happiness. However, God was already Eternally Happy and there was already Perfect Love and already an object for that Love.

Johan Abrahams · May 12, 2017

DrBubbaLove said:
This theme presented neglects the fact They are not alone and never have been alone. The Alpha and Omega are Three and where there are more than One, there is always a proper object for Love. The Holy Spirit is often called the Spirit of Love and some associate Him with the Perfect out pouring of the Love between the Father and Son.

Actually God is one.

DrBubbaLove said:
The other thing to be rejected about this theme, if it was meant intentionally or not, is the idea of a Perfect God that lacks anything. God did not need to create us. We are thankful He did and that He made us to share in His Eternal Happiness. However, God was already Eternally Happy and there was already Perfect Love and already an object for that Love.

Interesting . . .so where did this other "object" comes from.

But: If God is one then surely He wants children and a companion.

DrBubbaLove · May 12, 2017

Johan Abrahams said:
Actually God is one.

Interesting . . .so where did this other "object" comes from.

But: If God is one then surely He wants children and a companion.

The thread was not started to have "honest debate" about the Trinity Doctrine. The Bible begins with there being nothing, a "void" before God creates anything. Yet as He is Creating He speaks of "us" Creating. So regardless what errors one holds about the Trinity, He is clearly not alone.

The Object of the Father's Love is the Son and vice versa.

Noticed the idea of imagining God lacking of something was skipped over. I find that most interesting. As is the attempt to humanize God is needing a sexual companion to produce "children". One needs a bigger imagination of Who God is and not try to limit Him to aspects of our existence. Such a god is too small, and a principle "problem" with human like qualities imagined of pagan gods.

Johan Abrahams · May 13, 2017

DrBubbaLove said:
The thread was not started to have "honest debate" about the Trinity Doctrine.

DrBubbaLove said:

The Bible begins with there being nothing, a "void" before God creates anything. Yet as He is Creating He speaks of "us" Creating. So regardless what errors one holds about the Trinity, He is clearly not alone.

DrBubbaLove said:

The Object of the Father's Love is the Son and vice versa.

Noticed the idea of imagining God lacking of something was skipped over. I find that most interesting. As is the attempt to humanize God is needing a sexual companion to produce "children". One needs a bigger imagination of Who God is and not try to limit Him to aspects of our existence. Such a god is too small, and a principle "problem" with human like qualities imagined of pagan gods.

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Johan Abrahams · May 13, 2017

DrBubbaLove said:
The thread was not started to have "honest debate" about the Trinity Doctrine.

Ok so let us skip that. You seem not to have a quick answer.

DrBubbaLove said:
The Bible begins with there being nothing, a "void" before God creates anything. Yet as He is Creating He speaks of "us" Creating. So regardless what errors one holds about the Trinity, He is clearly not alone.

When God is speaking about Himself He always emphasizes the fact that He is one.

And when He revealed Himself He always did it as one. So all the people of the Old Testament new this and accepted this. The notion that God is more persons came with Jesus.

DrBubbaLove said:
The Object of the Father's Love is the Son and vice versa.

Where do you get this?

DrBubbaLove said:
Noticed the idea of imagining God lacking of something was skipped over. I find that most interesting.

Every Father wants children. As you yourself admitted . . .Love needs an "object" You have just place your "object" elsewhere. But your object makes us not a necessity something like an afterthought. Even if you are correct . . .they can not experience family-life. Miss out a lot.

DrBubbaLove said:
As is the attempt to humanize God is needing a sexual companion to produce "children".

No child can be born without a mother. I do not think that God would like a life without a wife. And I do not think He would like His children to life without a mother. The Bible is actually a revelation of God and what you are speaking about is "hidden". So unlike God. No wonder God's children stay "babies" . . .they have nothing to identify with.

DrBubbaLove said:
One needs a bigger imagination of Who God is and not try to limit Him to aspects of our existence. Such a god is too small, and a principle "problem" with human like qualities imagined of pagan gods.

Yep . . .I can see you have a good "imagination" I would rather go with what the Word says.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Love Johan

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