W2L said:
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Besides the Sabbath, what law must i follow that isn't taught in the NT?
and you wrote: 21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.
Can't you see that is not an answer to W2L's question?
I disagreed that these things weren't taught in the NT, such as Jesus teaching us to follow the Sabbath by example. I also talked about ceremonial laws, such as God's other holy days and keeping kosher.
To be like Jesus we would be celibate, not marry, rome the country teaching the law, bring back life to others, die for mankind's sins and come back from death. To be like Jesus we would have to be fully sinless without the gift of grace. Is this what you mean?
Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21), so it involves being made to be like one in whom there is no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22) and verse 24 says he gave himself that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, so that is the example we should follow. Being celibate, not marrying, and roaming the country are not in regard to avoiding sin or doing what is righteous.
1 John 2:3-6New International Version (NIV)
Love and Hatred for Fellow Believers
3 We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4 Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did.
I answered what commands mean from the same book you have used. 1Jn3:19-24 To live like Jesus we would be celibate, not marry, rome the country teaching the law, bring back life to others, die for mankind's sins and come back from death. Is this what you mean by your quote? I don't believe John was referring to how Jesus physically lived, do you?
One's walk or halakhah is the way that they walked out the commands of God, and we are to do so in the same way that he did. Jesus said that his teaching was not his own, but that of the Father (John 7:16) and that anyone whoever does not love him will not keep his commands, which are not his, but that of the Father (John 14:24), so his commands were not his own, but we the same as what the Father had commanded. Again, this is not referring to any command to be celibate, not marry, or to rome the country, to in regard to doing what is righteous and avoiding sin.
1 Corinthians 11:1New International Version (NIV)
11 1 Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.
Acts 15:21. Paul in 1Cor11 is referring to prophesying and how to observe the Lord's supper. He didn't mean by the verse you quoted that his life was an example of Jesus life. You have used that vers completely out of context.
It is connected to the previous thought, but I see no good reason to think that Paul was saying that he only imitated Christ is those two specific areas.
You have a problem, you seem to disregard everything we write. You know that is twisting the meaning of what I wrote. Sure all the laws are moral as to being immoral. Some had to do with morality and some had to do with ceremony or being ritual. The ritual laws were made by God for Israel only. Morality was made by God for all men and is eternal.
The ritual laws are God's instructions for how to have a holy conduct and in 1 Peter 1:13-16 we are told to have a holy conduct, so either they were not only for Israel, or they are for us because we have become fellow citizens of Israel.
Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
You may, because of you belief system, think that means Christians must observe Torah. I do not see those verses telling me that. I see Jesus telling us to love God with all our hearts and loving others like Jesus loves us. The greatest command is to love. The law and the prophets came to an abrupt end at the Cross where Jesus finished His work for man.
Jesus was not asked what asked what the only command that we should follow was, but what the greatest command was, and the two greatest commands are such because the summarize all of the other commands. All of the other commands hang on the greatest two, so they are examples or the explain for how to correctly obey them. The command to love the Lord your God will all of your heart, soul, mind, and strength is a lot easier said than done, so thankfully we have all of the other commands and Christ's example of obedience to those commands to paint us a picture of what that looks like.
If before Christ came taking a particular action was acting in accordance with God's righteousness, but after Christ came that is no longer the case, or vice versa, then God's righteousness has changed, but God's righteousness is eternal and does not change (Psalms 119:142), so all of God's righteous instructions for how to act according to His righteousness are likewise eternal and do not change (Psalms 119:160). This means that God's Law can't come to an end without God's righteousness first coming to an end. According to Titus 2:14, it does not say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Law, but to free us from all Lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession a people who are zealous for doing good works, and His Law as part of OT Scripture is profitable for equipping us to do every good work (2 Timothy 3:16-17).
Not in a million years. That is a false preposition.
fulfill means: to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time:
For the entire law is brought to an end in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.
Romans 15:18-19 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ;
So according to you, these verses are saying that Paul brought an end to the Gospel?
Pleroo:
to fulfil, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment
In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it, that not the least part would disappear from the Law until heaven and earth disappeared and all is accomplished, and he gave a warning to those who would relax the least of the laws or teach others to do the same. Heaven and earth are still here and not all has been accomplished, which either refer to end times, or are idioms for saying that it will never happen, but either way you would do well to heed his warning. After he said that, he went on to fulfill the law five times in the rest of the chapter by causing God's will as made known in the Law to be obeyed as it should be.
I suppose you would have to reinterpret what is written , but just maybe the real Jews know better than to use interpretation. Excuses and more excuses. You sound just like the SDAs do with how they "keep" Sabbath. Yep, I was part of all that.
The issue of how to correctly obey the Law is a different issue than whether it should be obeyed. I do not dispute whether the Law should be obeyed, so if I become convinced that it was referring to not trimming sideburns, then that is what I would do by grace through faith. However, I have never used anything like those terms to refer to trimming hair, so I think there are good grounds to think that it is referring to something more than that. Jesus came in conflict with many Jewish traditions, so while we should certainly consider whether they have any merit, I am not beholden to them.
Romans 9:6-8New International Version (NIV)
God’s Sovereign Choice
6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned. 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
As you can plainly see Rom 9:6-8 does not tell Christians we become Israel. Christians are God's children. Israel is defunct no longer in existence.
Ephesians2:12-19 means one in Christ not that we become an Israelite
Not all descended from Israel are Israel, but rather those who are Israel are reckoned through faith in the promise, so if you have faith in the promise, then you are child of Abraham and a child of God, which is also referred to as Israel. They were once alienated from Israel, but are now no longer strangers or aliens, but are fellow citizens. I don't know how it can get any clearer than that. Israel is God's chosen people and one of the better promises that the New Covenant is based upon is that God will never forsake Israel (Jeremiah 31:35-37), and we are now part of God's chosen people, which is Israel (1 Peter 2:9-10).
Yes, God was instructing them. Jesus is instructing us. Jesus kept His Father's commands and we are to keep Jesus commands. Jesus didn't teach all mankind Torah.
I agree that God was instruction them, but He was doing that so that they would be his representatives to the world to teach them how to serve Him and walk in His ways. So it God's ways, not the ways or the Israelites that we are talking about. They are not instructions for how to act like Jews, but for how to act according to God's holiness, righteousness and goodness. The Bible often makes parallel statements, which are two ways of saying the same thing, which help us to understand it correctly, so he was not contrasting God's commands with His own. As he said elsewhere, his teaching was not his own, but that of that Father, and he only came to do the Father's will, so he was not in disagreement with the Father about what conduct we should have.
I do not have to look any further than the New Testament to find out how we are to live a Christian life. the Old Testament taught Israel how to live a their lives. We are not Israel. Israel waas a spot on this Earth. God had/has a plan for the remainder of the planet. It is the Royal Law of Love. Jesus gave His life for us and we are to love others as He loves us. There is nothing in the Torah equal to the laws Christians live under. You are not living under rules that are not for Christians and therefore are not fulfilling Christ's example. You are the ones who are lawless. You are observing defunct laws, we are observing the laws Jesus set forth for Christians. Jews have never accepted Jesus and the new covenant. Why would I want to observe their meaningless laws?
Psalms 119:1 Blessed are those whose way is blameless, who walk in the law of the Lord!
Is this verse true and do you want to be blessed? Jesus was sinless, so if you are his follower, then you need to look up the OT to find out what that means for how he lived and for how you should follow. You are not Israel, but you are one of the nations who Israel has the task of teaching to walk in God's ways, which revealed in the Mosaic Law. All of the 613 commands in the OT and 1,050 commands of the NT can and have been summarized as instructions for how to love God and our neighbor, so if you correctly understand what it means to love, then you will at least live in accordance with those commands, and all of the commands in the NT are in accordance or derived from the commands of the OT. You are sadly depriving yourself of the delight and the divine privilege of living in obedience to God's commands. Acts records tens of thousands of Jews who accepted Jesus and the New Covenant who became zealous for the Law, likely because they were able to see Messiah on every page.