Could Putin trigger a constitutional crisis bringing America to her knees without firing a shot?

Rion · Mar 5, 2017

Vylo said:
Actually I would say that is plainly false. Seeing as how many democrats took issue with Clinton, which is a large part of why she lost.

But you just said that she won in this same thread. :mmh:

Regardless, those who didn't vote for her was not the target of my complaint. I am referring specifically to those who DID vote for her. If you didn't, then you can safely ignore it.

Ygrene Imref · Mar 5, 2017

jgarden said:
What if the Russian ambassador were to tell the media that he was approached by the Trump Campaign seeking Putin's help to sabotage the Democrats 2016 Presidential Election - America would be thrown into such a constitutional crisis that would make Watergate seem pale in comparison!

Whether it was true or not would be immaterial - reports of clandestine meetings including those held in Trump Towers and "The Donald's" strange praise of all things Putin have placed the American public in the unenviable position whereby half would now be willing to believe the word of the Russian ambassador over that of their own President!

Unlike Nixon, Trump would cling to power to the bitter end and take America down with him!

It is straight out of The Art of War.

It is destabalization; Russia has been doing this to the US for 50 years.

Trump is a red herring.

Vylo · Mar 5, 2017

Rion said:
But you just said that she won in this same thread.

Regardless, those who didn't vote for her was not the target of my complaint. I am referring specifically to those who DID vote for her. If you didn't, then you can safely ignore it.

She won the popular vote, not the electoral because of key votes that she didn't get from lifelong democrats in 3 critical states.

Aldebaran · Mar 5, 2017

Vylo said:
Actually I would say that is plainly false. Seeing as how many democrats took issue with Clinton, which is a large part of why she lost.

I don't think the fault was entirely with Hillary. It may have been with the Democrats as a whole. In the election, the Democrats lost more than 1,000 races across the country. Hillary Clinton running for president was just one of them. I believe that if she had won while over 1,000 Democrats running for office across the rest of the country lost, it would have been viewed as an anomaly.

Vylo · Mar 5, 2017

Aldebaran said:
I don't think the fault was entirely with Hillary. It may have been with the Democrats as a whole. In the election, the Democrats lost more than 1,000 races across the country. Hillary Clinton running for president was just one of them. I believe that if she had won while over 1,000 Democrats running for office across the rest of the country lost, it would have been viewed as an anomaly.

Everyone one of those dems that sat at home was down ticket votes lost, not to mentioned the amount of funding she drew away from those races.

To expand on my point, in my county, the democratic vote held steady, despite a shrinking population. Despite going for the republican presidential candidate like it always does, our district voted in a democratic representative, by a slim margin. Had those dems stayed home, it would have been another down ticket loss. Since the dems went to the polls, we didn't have that defeat, but in places like michigan and wisconsin, they bailed and took their down ballot votes with them.

Michigan had 5 districts that went R by less than 5%, no D districts.
Wisconsin had 1 close district go R, no D again
Pennsi had 3 close districts go R, no D
Minnesota had 2 close districts go R, 1 went D by a single point.

So many close districts could have been won if Clinton hadn't been the candidate.

Aldebaran · Mar 5, 2017

Vylo said:
Everyone one of those dems that sat at home was down ticket votes lost, not to mentioned the amount of funding she drew away from those races.

Each person who stayed home was making a statement. If they strongly believed in their progressive, liberal ideals, and were strongly opposed to Trump being our president, they would have got off the couch, and gone to the polls. The statement they made by staying home is that they either no longer believed so strongly in the liberal ideals to make voting worthwhile, or they simply didn't care.

Vylo · Mar 5, 2017

Aldebaran said:
Each person who stayed home was making a statement. If they strongly believed in their progressive, liberal ideals, and were strongly opposed to Trump being our president, they would have got off the couch, and gone to the polls. The statement they made by staying home is that they either no longer believed so strongly in the liberal ideals to make voting worthwhile, or they simply didn't care.

They didn't believe Clinton represented those ideals, and thought Trump would not win. There have been lots of stories from voters who stayed at home because they didn't think things were at risk. Americans are notoriously unreliable voters.

Aldebaran · Mar 5, 2017

Vylo said:
They didn't believe Clinton represented those ideals, and thought Trump would not win. There have been lots of stories from voters who stayed at home because they didn't think things were at risk. Americans are notoriously unreliable voters.

Yep, and I've seen it on both sides even after we hear election after election, "Get out and vote! Your candidate can't win without your vote!". Yet election after election, so many people stay home because they decided that either their favored candidate would win anyway, or because they didn't see enough of a difference between the two choices to go through the trouble of voting.

super animator · Mar 5, 2017

Or didn't vote because ether candidate represent their ideas.

super animator · Mar 5, 2017

Vylo said:
Americans are notoriously unreliable voters.

Should voting be mandatory then?

Vylo · Mar 5, 2017

super animator said:
Should voting be mandatory then?

Ehhh, I haven't looked into that too far, but Australians have reported some bad results from that.

Aldebaran · Mar 5, 2017

super animator said:
Should voting be mandatory then?

The voter should consider it a personal mandate on themselves. That way, they'll at least know they did their part. Protesting in the streets after election day after NOT voting isn't as effective as casting a vote for the candidate of your choice.

bhsmte · Mar 5, 2017

super animator said:
Or didn't vote because ether candidate represent their ideas.

Or didn't vote because they simply didn't like either candidate. When the two most unpopular candidates win the nomination of each party, it tells you something.

crjmurray · Mar 5, 2017

Simply Put said:
Reality Speaking here: The Russian Ambassador has already called the whole thing a witch hunt.
Trump and his team has disavowed any connection publically more than 20 times
Putin himself denies the scandel
The FBI has said there is no proof of a connection
The Chairman of the House Intelligence committee says there is no connection

But somehow in certain peoples world, there is evidence than none of these have produced. And somehow, in some alternate reality this is still a possibility.

Every Democrats dream - it might be the only thing that could save their party.

Reality Speaking here: Truth and evidence is material - the only ones freaking out are the far left

Again - I will cite the links above - there is NO proof of any of that. Not sure what dime novel it came out of, but not based in reality.

Quote with citations three direct statements from the President doing so. The very worst he said is that Putin was a better leader than Obama and that is when everyone's panties got knotted.

Again not based in reality whatsoever

Another #liberalpipedream

And now we exit the twilight zone -

Lol "reality speaking" says the guy who regularly gets fooled by chain email quality propaganda stories.

KCfromNC · Mar 6, 2017

Rion said:
Hydrogen Hillary

Do you intend for your posts to be taken seriously? If so, this probably isn't the best approach.

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