GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

YouAreAwesome · Dec 8, 2016

gadar perets said:
This example would never arise. It is easier to just give him an offering than to give him work.

What? That we have to keep the Sabbath? It was commanded to Israel of whom we are through Messiah Yeshua. It is up to you to prove we don't have to continue keeping what was already commanded.

Obviously I was only pointing out a few ways to show love through obeying the law. What is truly sad is that you don't show love by allowing your wife to rest on the 7th day as her Creator commanded.

Let's say a certain business has its trading hours Sunday to Friday in the spirit of sabbath rest. But Saturday is the only day the shop is free to clean/stock the shelves etc. there are SO many examples I could come up with that rep real situations. My father works radiography Saturday's if needed for example.

Your second point is redundant because you haven't distinguished between the sabbath and sacrifices.

The third point is semi-ridiculous. I don't "allow" my wife???? What do you expect of a husband? That He is a dictator? That He tells his wife what she can and can't do? She is an adult, she can make her own decisions.

visionary · Dec 9, 2016

When it comes to the Sabbath, the wife is the only one not mentioned, the slaves, the children, the neighbors, the visitors, are.

gadar perets · Dec 9, 2016

YouAreAwesome said:
Let's say a certain business has its trading hours Sunday to Friday in the spirit of sabbath rest. But Saturday is the only day the shop is free to clean/stock the shelves etc. there are SO many examples I could come up with that rep real situations. My father works radiography Saturday's if needed for example.

A shop owner would close on Sabbath so that neither he nor his workers break the Sabbath. The man is not going to starve to death if he doesn't work on Sabbath. I, as the owner, would either employ him some other workday or provide for him in other ways. If his health or life was in danger, I would break the Sabbath to help him[

Your second point is redundant because you haven't distinguished between the sabbath and sacrifices.

The Sabbath is a Creation blessing that was sanctified and declared holy from day seven when it was made. It was made for Adam and all mankind. Sacrifices were not. 1 Samuel 15:22 teaches us it is better to obey Yahweh than to sacrifice.

The third point is semi-ridiculous. I don't "allow" my wife???? What do you expect of a husband? That He is a dictator? That He tells his wife what she can and can't do? She is an adult, she can make her own decisions.

The husband is the "head" of the entire family (1 Cor 11:3). The responsibility of teaching the family the ways of Yahweh are his. Therefore, the husband must teach his wife and children how to obey Yahweh's commandments by showing them what Yahweh allows or doesn't allow. If Yahweh doesn't allow work on Sabbath, then he should not allow his wife or children to work on Sabbath. Yes, the wife is an adult, but she is to submit to the loving leadership of her husband.

gadar perets · Dec 9, 2016

visionary said:
When it comes to the Sabbath, the wife is the only one not mentioned, the slaves, the children, the neighbors, the visitors, are.

Are you implying that means the wife can work on Sabbath? I don't think you are, but others may get the wrong idea.

visionary · Dec 9, 2016

Someone had to change the dirty diapers. God knew and knows the good heart of Prov 31 wife.

gadar perets · Dec 9, 2016

visionary said:
Someone had to change the dirty diapers. God knew and knows the good heart of Prov 31 wife.

I don't think they had diapers back then, but certainly changing diapers is permissible work.

Of course, the wife cannot work at a regular secular job on Sabbath.

Joshua_5 · Dec 10, 2016

danny ski said:
Circumcision is not "work". Saving life on Sabbath is not work, either. Healing somebody who was born blind on Sabbath, when that non life threatening condition could have been fixed on any other day, falls under the definition of work. Further more, according to the Torah, circumcision in, both, the Abrahamic Covenant and in the Mosaic Covenant is an EVERLASTING commandment for ALL GENERATIONS. It cannot be done away with under any circumstances.

Circumcision is a work. Jesus himself compares it to healing. If its permissable to circumcise on the Sabbath, how much more to heal the entire man on the Sabbath?

If therefore (the command for) circumcision is greater than the (command to observe the) Sabbath, and the requirement for (physical) circumcision is no longer obligatory because it is fulfilled in Christ, how much moreso is the Sabbath fulfilled in Christ (and non obligatory)?

This is not to say the Sabbath is not still blessed, or that it is good to rest on the day. But it is to say our righteousness is through Christ, and neither our imperfect observance of the Sabbath nor any law can make us more righteous than believers already are through Christ.

Joshua_5 · Dec 10, 2016

BobRyan said:
There is no command in OT or NT for gentiles to be circumcised

Refer to Genesis. All Abraham's (male) descendants were to be circumcised, not just those descended from Jacob (Israel), as later commanded in Exodus and Leviticus. This is also likely the reason circumcision is practiced widely around the world, not just by adherents the Jewish religion.

Probably the entire world to this day is populated by those descended from Abraham, so the covenant of circumcision today would be as much universal as would the observance of the Sabbath.

Genesis 17:9 - 14
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

BobRyan said:
There is no claim in actual scripture that circumcision is a 'higher law' than the Bible Sabbath.

This has already been demonstrated, and even Jesus referred to it to demonstate it was not wrong to heal on the Sabbath.

BobRyan said:
Circumcision only applies to males in Israel - so not even all of Israel were subject to it...

As stated, circumcision can only be performed on males, but it didn't "only apply" to males. As an 8 day old child is unable to circumcise himself, the circumcision command was clearly directed at others (i.e. Abraham and his descendants, and later the children of Israel). As the bible nowhere prohibits females circumcising, and as the command to circumcise was given to the children of Israel (not only the men), and as we have at least one example in the bible of a female circumcising (and others in extrabiblical history), I don't see how you can argue that circumcision "only applies to males in Israel."

Leviticus 12: 2 - 3
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.

Exodus 4:25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.[/QUOTE]

BobRyan said:
1. The Genesis 2 text does not just say God rested - it specifically says the day was sanctified - made a holy day - it was binding on mankind then.

The day was set apart - there was no command to observe special conditions.

BobRyan said:
2. In Ex 20:11 legal code - God Himself points to Genesis 2 and says that it is THEN that the Sabbath is binding

This is the justification of the command, not an indication that the command was pre-existing.

BobRyan said:
3. Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit this is true.

Okay. I'm not sure how their opinion makes any difference.

BobRyan said:
4. God says that "SIN" is crouching at Cain's door and he must overcome in Genesis 4. But murder and hate are never stated as being a "sin" in the first 3 chapters of Genesis. The inference you are using does not work

God clearly had indicated certain rules or expectations to the first men, as He had expectations regarding the sacrifices made by Cain and Abel, and with Cain's sacrifice, he was not pleased.

BobRyan said:
5. Noah takes 2 of the unclean and 7 pairs of the clean animals in Genesis 7 - but no statement is given in Genesis 1-6 about what is clean and what is unclean.

I would argue this was communicated (as above), but was outside what is recorded in scripture.

BobRyan said:
6. Moses' readers have the other books of Moses to tell them more details about what is meant.

Agreed.

BobRyan said:
7. Abraham "kept my statutes, commandments and Laws" Genesis 26:5 not explicitly written out in Genesis - but included later in the other books of Moses.

8. Christ Himself addresses the "MAKING" of BOTH the Sabbath and mankind in Genesis saying the
Sabbath was "MADE" for mankind" (the very thing you deny) Mark 2:27

I'm not denying this. I'm saying its not binding on Christians. Christ is our Sabbath.

Colossians 2:11 - 17
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

BobRyan said:
Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are binding on all Christians.

Then they are wrong. Jesus said, "You have heard it was said 'Do not commit adultery and do not murder'." But He tells us that even to lust upon a woman, or to be angry with a brother, is a sin.

BobRyan said:
Eph 6:2 shows that the TEN Commandments are still binding on all the saints - TEN as a unit.

Paul did not sin by not marrying but not marrying is not a violation of any of the TEN Commandments - the moral law of God - neither is it violation of marriage - but adultery is violation of marriage for both Jew and gentile

It is certainly not a fulfillment of the command given in Genesis to fill the Earth, so if it is acceptable not to do this, how much more not to observe the Sabbath which is not even given as a command.

gadar perets · Dec 10, 2016

Joshua_5 said:
If therefore (the command for) circumcision is greater than the (command to observe the) Sabbath, and the requirement for (physical) circumcision is no longer obligatory because it is fulfilled in Christ, how much moreso is the Sabbath fulfilled in Christ (and non obligatory)?

John 7:22-23 Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers) and you on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are you angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

The key here is that circumcision was done on the Sabbath so that the Law of Moses should not be broken. That can be applied two ways. 1) Circumcision was done so that the law of circumcision should not be broken or 2) so that the Sabbath should not be broken. Which is it? Or is it both?

The act of circumcising on the Sabbath would definitely prevent the commandment to circumcise on the eighth day from being broken and forbidding circumcision on the Sabbath would keep the Sabbath from being broken. However, the Jewish intent was so that the “Law of Moses” should not be broken; not just the circumcision commandment, but the Sabbath as well since that was a Law of Moses. How was the Sabbath not broken?

Obviously, circumcising on the Sabbath was not considered the kind of work that breaks the Sabbath. There are several kinds of work that were permissible on the Sabbath including the work of the priests in offering sacrifices and works of healing (saving life or health always takes precedence over any law). Yeshua’s healing of the man at the pool could not be a transgression of the Sabbath or else Yeshua would have sinned. Yet, he was sinless. Therefore, his healing work was permissible.

Yeshua uses the example of circumcising on the Sabbath in order to justify his healing a man on the Sabbath. For if circumcision can be performed on one part of the body on the Sabbath, then surely a healing can be performed on the entire body on the Sabbath.

In both cases, life and/or health took precedence. In healing the man, his health took precedence and in circumcising a male child, its life took precedence. How?

Gen 17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.

Also, to not circumcise under the Sinai Covenant was sin and broke the covenant. The wages of sin is death. Therefore, under the Sinai Covenant, circumcision was a matter of life or death.

So, it was not circumcision taking precedence over the Sabbath, but health and life taking precedence over both. Conducting the circumcision as Yahweh commanded would prevent death and allow the child to keep the Sabbath all the days of his life. Both commandments remain unbroken.

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

This account makes it appear as though circumcision is taking precedence over the Sabbath, but upon looking deeper into it, it was not.

Yeshua said, “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” (John 5:30)

“Righteous judgment” cannot be rendered unless the will of Yahweh is done. If circumcision takes precedence over the Sabbath, then the Sabbath is broken. That is not Yahweh’s will. If health and/or life take precedence, that is Yahweh’s will and that is what is happening in this account.

YouAreAwesome · Dec 10, 2016

gadar perets said:
The Sabbath is a Creation blessing that was sanctified and declared holy from day seven when it was made.

Not biblical. Biblical is: God rested and blessed His day of rest. Then God gave days of rest to the Israelite's. There was no Sabbath between Adam and Moses. And a perpetual Sabbath of spiritual rest is found in Jesus.

gadar perets said:
It was made for Adam

No it was made for the Israelite's. Please highlight where the Bible specifically says Sabbath was for Adam.

gadar perets said:
then he should not allow his wife

Again, she is an adult, I will not make rules for her such as "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO...." She loves God, she loves me, she can figure these things out, she is not a child, I am not her parent. I don't tell her what to do and what not to do. This really sounds controlling.

BobRyan · Dec 10, 2016

Joshua_5 said:
I guess the point being raised is that as circumcision was a higher law than the Sabbath, if one insists that the Sabbath is binding on Christians, one should likewise insist that circumcision is binding on Christians. Such a view, 'though incorrect, is more consistent that insisting on Sabbath keeping, but leaving circumcision up to the conscience of the individual believer.

There is no command in OT or NT for gentiles to be circumcised
There is no example of circumcision in Genesis 2 - but we do have Marriage and the Sabbath in Genesis 2.
There is no claim in actual scripture that circumcision is a 'higher law' than the Bible Sabbath. Circumcision only applies to males in Israel - so not even all of Israel were subject to it... but the Sabbath is "for all mankind" in both OT Isaiah 66:23, Isaiah 56:1-8. and in NT Mark 2:27.

We have gentile Sabbath keeping in the actual Bible in both OT and NT for all mankind and for all eternity in Isaiah 66:23

We have not ONE example of such a thing for circumcision.

How then do you even get to your premise let alone your conclusion?

Joshua_5 said:
Except that the work of circumcision was still performed on the Sabbath

And people sleep on the Sabbath
And people eat on the Sabbath.
And they get dressed on the Sabbath.
And they brush their teeth on the Sabbath
And the priests killed animals on the Sabbath - before the cross.

I suppose we could try to build an "odd doctrine by inference" that way about brushing teeth and getting dressed being more important than that Sabbath - but one thing we do know "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 which includes "for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth" in that case.

All Israel were subject to circumcision. Although females can't be circumcised

indeed so... 'not all Israel'

, a woman was still obligated to ensure all the males in her household were circumcised. Although it would be unusual for a woman to be the head of her household

Indeed - no bible command at all in that regard.

There was no command nor law to keep the Sabbath in Genesis 2 - only the creation of it.

That is wrong on several counts.

1. The Genesis 2 text does not just say God rested - it specifically says the day was sanctified - made a holy day - it was binding on mankind then.
2. In Ex 20:11 legal code - God Himself points to Genesis 2 and says that it is THEN that the Sabbath is binding
3. Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit this is true.
4. God says that "SIN" is crouching at Cain's door and he must overcome in Genesis 4. But murder and hate are never stated as being a "sin" in the first 3 chapters of Genesis. The inference you are using does not work
5. Noah takes 2 of the unclean and 7 pairs of the clean animals in Genesis 7 - but no statement is given in Genesis 1-6 about what is clean and what is unclean.
6. Moses' readers have the other books of Moses to tell them more details about what is meant.
7. Abraham "kept my statutes, commandments and Laws" Genesis 26:5 not explicitly written out in Genesis - but included later in the other books of Moses.
8. Christ Himself addresses the "MAKING" of BOTH the Sabbath and mankind in Genesis saying the Sabbath was "MADE" for mankind" (the very thing you deny) Mark 2:27
9. Is 66:23 shows that the OT scope for the Bible Sabbath was "ALL mankind" just as we see for gentiles in Isaiah 56:1-8

Bible details matter.

Likewise, there was no command to marry - only an example of it. Which does not mean that marriage was "undefined" or unknown. And the Laws about adultery not "unknown" even though not mentioned.

Even the pro-Sunday scholars admit that all TEN of the TEN Commandments are binding on all Christians.

Eph 6:2 shows that the TEN Commandments are still binding on all the saints - TEN as a unit.

Paul did not sin by not marrying but not marrying is not a violation of any of the TEN Commandments - the moral law of God - neither is it violation of marriage - but adultery is violation of marriage for both Jew and gentile

Joshua_5 said:
Refer to Genesis. All Abraham's (male) descendants were to be circumcised, not just those descended from Jacob (Israel), as later commanded in Exodus and Leviticus.

Abraham is never said to be the "father of gentiles" ... the command you are referencing is merely to the "children of the flesh" and does not include gentiles. Millions on earth besides Abraham. Your argument is not from scripture but rather "by extreme inference alone".

The point remains - never in the Bible are gentiles required to be circumcised - either OT or NT.

Esaus' decedents wiped out.

This has already been demonstrated, and even Jesus referred to it to demonstate it was not wrong to heal on the Sabbath.

Yes before the cross the Sabbath was fully observed when one was doing acts of mercy. It would be like says "someone brushed their teeth on Sabbath so brushing teeth is a "higher law" than Sabbath. Such "reaches" such extreme stretching of the argument and point - does not hold up.

The day was set apart in Genesis 2 as the day God rested and blessed and made holy. In Ex 20:11 the point is made by God that the Genesis 2 act "alone" makes it binding on all mankind.

Christ confirms in Mark 2:27
We see gentiles obligated to the Sabbath commandment in Isaiah 56:1-8
And "all mankind" scope for Sabbath in both OT and NT texts - Isaiah 66:23, Mark 2:27

The point remains.

I'm not denying this. I'm saying its not binding on Christians. Christ is our Sabbath.

Indeed "Christ is our Sabbath" would make it binding on all Christians - but as has been pointed out , your "Christ is our Sabbath" text is merely "you quoting you".

Colossians 2 is about not being deceived by the "Commandments of men" - it is not about rejecting the word of God.

As for those who do not marry

It is certainly not a fulfillment of the command given in Genesis to fill the Earth,

Again your argument by "extreme inference" having no such command saying it is violation of God's Word if you do not get married is nonsense since Adam and Eve on day one were created in the married relationship. Unlike all other humans.

Having no Bible texts saying what you propose - you rely on extreme inference alone.

gadar perets · Dec 10, 2016

YouAreAwesome said:
Not biblical. Biblical is: God rested and blessed His day of rest. Then God gave days of rest to the Israelite's. There was no Sabbath between Adam and Moses. And a perpetual Sabbath of spiritual rest is found in Jesus.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The 7th day of creation was the "Sabbath day".

Yes, we have a SPIRITUAL REST in Yeshua, but NOT a physical rest. The spiritual rest we have is not from physical labor, but from the burden of carrying our own sins.

No it was made for the Israelite's. Please highlight where the Bible specifically says Sabbath was for Adam.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

It was not made for Israelites. Yeshua was speaking Hebrew to Hebrew speaking Pharisees in this verse. The word "man" in Hebrew is "adam".

Again, she is an adult, I will not make rules for her such as "YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO...." She loves God, she loves me, she can figure these things out, she is not a child, I am not her parent. I don't tell her what to do and what not to do. This really sounds controlling.

The husband does not make rules for his wife. He tells her what Yahweh's rules are; what Yahweh says is allowed.

Hethatreadethit · Dec 10, 2016

DaveW-Ohev said:
What do you mean by "gentiles OR christians?"

The Sabbath is primarily a sign between God and Israel (both believing and unbelieving), but there is nothing saying that gentiles are not welcome to participate. Indeed, for gentiles who live in the Jewish community are expected to follow the Law including observing the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is the 4th commandment of G-ds will. According to the prophets, the Gentiles are called to His will.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

gadar perets · Dec 10, 2016

Hethatreadethit said:
The Sabbath is the 4th commandment of G-ds will. According to the prophets, the Gentiles are called to His will.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith YHWH, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man (not just the sons of Israel) that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to YHWH, speak, saying, YHWH hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith YHWH unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to YHWH, to serve him, and to love the name of YHWH, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

gadar perets · Dec 10, 2016

Joshua_5 said:
This is not to say the Sabbath is not still blessed, or that it is good to rest on the day. But it is to say our righteousness is through Christ, and neither our imperfect observance of the Sabbath nor any law can make us more righteous than believers already are through Christ.

All Sabbath keepers that believe in Messiah know our righteousness is through him. We also know we are not saved by keeping the Sabbath. Yet, we also know that we are to walk in righteousness (1 John 2:29; 3:7, 10) and that keeping the Sabbath or any law of Yahweh is a righteous act.

visionary · Dec 10, 2016

gadar perets said:
All Sabbath keepers that believe in Messiah know our righteousness is through him. We also know we are not saved by keeping the Sabbath. Yet, we also know that we are to walk in righteousness (1 John 2:29; 3:7, 10) and that keeping the Sabbath or any law of Yahweh is a righteous act.

I have often wondered about the Sabbath and its salvation attributes. If there is an event that occurs during the Sabbath, and the people of God are obedient and by this obedience are saved from some disaster, can we say that the Sabbath keeping saved them?

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

I think about the Rev 11:1 people who are in the temple and are saved from the slaughter going on in the outer court. Both groups are believers, but those who took the step further into the temple itself are saved from the slaughter outside. Was the Sabbath keeping which makes the difference?

We know Sabbath keeping is significant because it is written in stone and is to be written in the heart. It is a two way street, benefiting both God and Man in its keeping.

visionary · Dec 10, 2016

Yeshua is not just our Savior, He is
Matt 12:8 Lord of the Sabbath
I think that is significant. Remember that Sabbath keeping is about resting in Yeshua's work, both in creation and in redemption from which He himself rested [on the Sabbath day]. The law commands us to get prepared by getting all our work done in six days by Friday sundown. I don't know about you, but I have yet to have all my projects on my plate done and I definitely never seem to get done by the time the sun goes down on Friday. If I lived by works, we keep pursuing our work until it’s done. But if we have entered into rest in Yeshua, we lay aside our unfinished work and rest in His provision. Which I appreciate so much, as He is the only one who can give me the rest I need.

Most believers have no idea because they have not entered into His rest, that the Sabbath has a deeper meaning, so they can't be expected to see it as a sign of entering in Yeshua's rest. But for anyone who understands that the Sabbath is God's ultimate test of rest, to reject it at that point would be serious indeed, I know that I may fail the Sabbath, but the Sabbath has never failed me. One would not really be rejecting the day itself but the salvation that the day represents. I believe that significance will get ultimate here in the last days.

visionary · Dec 10, 2016

Hethatreadethit said:
The Sabbath is the 4th commandment of G-ds will. According to the prophets, the Gentiles are called to His will.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.

Amen Gentiles are called to this light.

The Pharisees were excellent at keeping the Sabbath they had made it their life's work. Yeshua spoke many times on the role of works and faith. Works have never been a means to salvation not in the old testament times and not now. We have never been saved by works. It has always been salvation by faith and faith alone. So what role does works play? Works are the natural fruit of faith. If we have faith in Yeshua as our savior and believe in Him, we should have a desire to follow and do as he did.

John 14:15 If you love me keep my commandments

YouAreAwesome · Dec 10, 2016

gadar perets said:
Exodus 20:11 For in six days YHWH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHWH blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The 7th day of creation was the "Sabbath day".

We have established from your post:
1. God blessed the seventh day of creation
2. God called the concept of resting on a particular day a "Sabbath day"

What you haven't established is:
1. God blessed every seventh day (not just the seventh day of creation)
2. God called every seventh day a "Sabbath" (not just the seventh day of creation)

gadar perets said:
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Were the Israelites "man"? Yes.

gadar perets said:
It was not made for Israelites.

The problem is you are contradicting Ezekiel 20:12 where it clearly states that God gave them (the Israelites) Sabbath days of rest.

gadar perets said:
The word "man" in Hebrew is "adam".

Ummmm really??? ἄνθρωπος can not be translated Adam! We get sentences such as: "But the Adam marvelled" (Matthew 8:27), "He saw an Adam named Matthew" (Matthew 9:9), "That every idle word that Adam shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Matthew 12:36) etc etc etc etc. A resounding no to this nonsense. The Sabbath was not given to "Adam" but to "man" (used generically, to include all Israelite's under the Mosaic Law).

gadar perets said:
The husband does not make rules for his wife. He tells her what Yahweh's rules are; what Yahweh says is allowed.

Can't your wife read? Can't your wife understand what she reads? Doesn't your wife have her own relationship with God?

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gadar perets said:
All Sabbath keepers that believe in Messiah know our righteousness is through him. We also know we are not saved by keeping the Sabbath. Yet, we also know that we are to walk in righteousness (1 John 2:29; 3:7, 10) and that keeping the Sabbath or any law of Yahweh is a righteous act.

Except you don't keep "any law of Yahweh", you pick and choose inconsistently.

GENTILES OR CHRISTIANS PRACTICING THE SABBATH ?

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