7 Day creation- literal or figurative?
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That sounds right. I can say that the sixth day begins Revelation 20:7, "a thousand years as one day," 2 Peter 3:8. The fifth day, "a day is with the Lord," is told in Revelation 20:2-3 and again in Revelation 20:4, as prophesied in Revelation 6:11.
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Then -now- you know that Paul is not showing a method to navigate the King James Version of the Bible.
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The new Heaven and the new Earth will come only after the millennium...after the Great White Throne Judgment Revelation 20:11-15 , Revelation 21.
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How do you know? How do you know whether the man, "Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God" (Hebrews 7:1 KJV), who is "without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God" (Hebrews 7:3); arrived some four-hundred years before the 21st Century to help translate the KJV Bible. There is a picture of the KJV Bible with Christ's coat that "was without seam, woven from the top throughout" (John 19:23), and superscription which was written in the letters of Latin, and Greek and Hebrew (Luke 23:38 & John 19:20 KJV), at his crucifixion.
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Yes, that's right, the fifth day is the millennium. The new heaven and new earth occur on the sixth day, which begins; Revelation 20:7, the fifth day beginning Revelation 20:1.
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Amen...but the 3rd Heaven was made the SAME Day/Age that our Heaven/Universe was made.
God made the first heaven on the 2nd Day. Gen 1:8
God made other heavenS on the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4 The 2nd and 3rd.
The 1st heaven was totally destroyed in the flood. ll Peter 3:6
The 2nd heaven is scheduled to be burned. ll Peter 3:7
The 3rd heaven of ll Cor 12:2 AND Rev 21:1 is currently being prepared for the Church, the invisible Body of Believers in Jesus Christ. I'm really happy that God made 3 heavens. Aren't you?
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I believe God made the first heaven before Genesis one, one. I believe God made the heavens, "as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which [is] upon the sea shore," Genesis 22:17; an estimated one quintillion times.
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That's right.
You mean probably the Third Heaven where God and the sons of God [angels] reside.
Genesis 1:1. is about the Creation of the Second Heaven the KOSMOS [the material realm] where the stars like our sun and the earth reside.
The first heaven is the sky of the Earth where the birds fly.
The Bible tell us clearly that the Angels (celestial beings)were created by God before man.
Obviously the spiritual realm [The Third Heaven] was created by God eons of time before the material realm.[The Second Heaven ie the Kosmos]
The Angels were there when God set the foundation of the Earth and shouted for joy.(stated in Job 38:1-7)...They shouted for joy because they (not all) have chosen Earth to be their home in time past (but something went wrong - Rebellion-)...long before the creation of the first human (flesh body and soul)....and one day we mortal humans (those Saved)will return to our initial state...on the New Earth.
Question; how long the spiritual realm existed before God created the material universe ?
In astrophysics it is said that time as we perceive it, began with the creation of the material universe. ..fascinating is in it ?
The bible is at least in agreement with that science concept.
-One day for God is like 1,000 years for man.-
You can have a ''visual structure'' backed with Scriptures here.
http://www.therain.org/appendixes/app198.html
More details here:
http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2009/11/world-that-then-was-first-earth-age.html
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We obviously interpret the Bible in different ways. If you would share your reasons for believing the way you do, I will explain my reasons.
That is an invalid question, time does not exist in the spiritual realm.
How do you figure?
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Time exist only in the physical realm .The material universe [stars ,planets ,moon] have not always existed.
-The Bible and science agree on that point.-
God reside outside our material Universe... [in another dimension] where time does not exist.
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If you are talking about the Biblical definition of the 3 Heavens.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_151.cfm
When the term "heaven" is not used symbolically in Scripture, it usually refers to one of three realms.
(1) Our Immediate Atmosphere
(2) Outer Space (The Sun, Moon, And Stars)
(3) The Home Of God
Consequently we find the Bible speaking of more than one heaven or multiple heavens.
More Than One Heaven
The fact that Jesus passed through the heavens gives evidence there is more than one heaven.
Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession (Hebrews 4:14).
Third Heaven
Furthermore the Bible refers to the third heaven.
2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows (2 Corinthians 12:2).
If there is a third heaven, it seems there must also be a first and second heaven. The Bible, however, does not mention a first and second heaven.
1. The Atmospheric Heaven - The First Heaven
The atmospheric heavens include the air that we breathe as well as the space that immediately surrounds the earth. The technical term for this is the "troposphere." It extends about twenty miles above the earth. The space above this is called the "stratosphere." The Scripture uses the term heaven to describe this area.
I will destroy humanity whom I have created from the face of the earth, both humans and beasts, creeping thing and birds of heaven (Genesis 6:7).
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather in barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them (Matthew 6:26).
The word translated "air" is ouranos, the same Greek word that is elsewhere translated "heaven." We have another example of this use in the book of James.
And he [Elijah] prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced fruit (James 5:18).
2. The Celestial Heaven - The Second Heaven
This use of the term heaven refers to outer space or the stellar heaven. It includes the sun, moon, and stars.
Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken (Matthew 24:29).
Stars are said to be in heaven.
And take heed, lest you lift up your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage (Deuteronomy 4:19).
Heaven Of Heavens
The Scripture speaks of heavenly spheres beyond that which is visible from the earth. It is called the heaven of heavens.
Indeed heaven and the highest heavens belong to the Lord your God, also the earth with all that is in it (Deuteronomy 10:14).
The psalmist wrote.
Praise Him, you heaven of heavens and you waters above the heavens! (Psalm 148:4).
3. Heaven As The Home Of God - The Third Heaven
The Bible is clear that God cannot be limited to any one geographical place.
But will indeed God dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You (1 Kings 8:27).
Yet Scripture also teaches us that there is a certain geographical place where God resides. It is also designated heaven. The writer to the Hebrews said.
The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven (Hebrews 8:1).
Stephen knew he was going into the presence of the Lord.
But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God (Acts 7:55).
Heaven is called the presence of God.
For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us (Hebrews 9:24).
The location of the abode of God is not revealed in Scripture.
Summary
Sometime the word heaven is used symbolically in Scripture. When used of an actual place, Scripture speaks of three heavens.
1. The first is the atmosphere above us.
2. The second heaven is the stellar heaven, the sun, moon, and stars.
3. The third heaven is where God resides, above the other two regions.
God, however, is certainly not limited to one geographical place.
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You said, "The bible is at least in agreement with that science concept.
-One day for God is like 1,000 years for man.-
How do you figure that?
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Please give scripture to back up your claims.
I read Hebrews 4:14 to indicate how Jesus has passed through the estimated one-quintillion times the days of the Creation had to occur in order to complete the Creation of the heaven and the earth. The third heaven is the heaven made on the third day, which is where the new heaven and new earth are with Jesus right now.
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I believe Paul has given demonstration on how to navigate the KJV Bible. His demonstration is written, "in few words" Ephesians 3:3, and the key to this method are the days in Genesis one. The days of Creation is the basis on which rest the interpretation of God, in the KJV Bible, 2 Peter 1:20.
2 Peter 3:3-8 references those days in a way, subtle and sublime. “In the beginning,” is first referenced with the phrase, “Knowing this first,” as a simple explanation of the creation, from everlasting first days. 2 Peter 3:4 is included by the key phrase, “from the beginning of the creation.” Adam’s sin is mentioned with the phrase, “willingly are ignorant, that by the word of God." Because of, "word," in Psalms 33:6 KJV and Zechariah 12:1 KJV, credibility is given to the notion that "sin" cannot be committed in this Universe. This is proven by Science.
Next; the consequences of sin are mentioned, on the second day with the waters’ in 2 Peter 3:5; and the flood itself, in verse six. Then; from the third day, in verse seven, “by the same word,” “now,” refers to the third day for them, but the fourth day for us. In verse eight we are to know that the fifth day is a thousand years and the sixth day is one day a thousand years long.
There is a message here for those hearing the words, and another for us reading the KJV Bible. The message for us reveals the mystery of God in the days of creation.
2 Peter 3:3-8 references those days in a way, subtle and sublime. “In the beginning,” is first referenced with the phrase, “Knowing this first,” as a simple explanation of the creation, from everlasting first days. 2 Peter 3:4 is included by the key phrase, “from the beginning of the creation.” Adam’s sin is mentioned with the phrase, “willingly are ignorant, that by the word of God." Because of, "word," in Psalms 33:6 KJV and Zechariah 12:1 KJV, credibility is given to the notion that "sin" cannot be committed in this Universe. This is proven by Science.
Next; the consequences of sin are mentioned, on the second day with the waters’ in 2 Peter 3:5; and the flood itself, in verse six. Then; from the third day, in verse seven, “by the same word,” “now,” refers to the third day for them, but the fourth day for us. In verse eight we are to know that the fifth day is a thousand years and the sixth day is one day a thousand years long.
There is a message here for those hearing the words, and another for us reading the KJV Bible. The message for us reveals the mystery of God in the days of creation.
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The Bible refers to the third heaven where God reside..Let see if you can find it in the verse below.
2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows .
If there is a third heaven, it seems there must also be a first and second heaven.
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The place where God and the angels reside.
2 Corinthians 12:2
2 Corinthians 12:4
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
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2 Corinthians 12:4 looks like the heaven and the earth of the third day. So, it's very simple; third heaven, third day. We mustn't complicate things which aren't complicated.
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