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That would mean having to renounce my faith in Christ first. I have no intention of doing that.
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What Do We Do If Islam Takes Over?
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That would mean having to renounce my faith in Christ first. I have no intention of doing that.
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No, it would involve you having to lie to bad people to make them think you're with them.
Not renunciation, merely lip service.
Among the police, it's called "going undercover."
Among millions of people persecuted throughout history (many by Christians), it's called "staying in the closet."
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That is going to happen sooner or later anyway - under some moniker of ideology. Didn't the bible say some of us would be beheaded? I know Daniel says the "wise ones" will be tested by fire, sword, spoil and captivity. What has happened for 2050 years is not different from now.
In fact, it is a lot more calm than, say, the crusades, inquisition, witch trials, and what is going on in Asia (including the "middle east") with Christians now.
Singular persons, of course, threatening family can get a "double tap." But, taking on an ideology as a Christian is counterproductive in the sense that war begets war, and 200 years from now Christianity could be the new "Radical Terrorist Group."
All of this was foretold to happen, and the scurrying around as if this is alarming is a bit misdirected. We are told this is coming; we shouldn't be surprised.
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Among Christians, it's called denying Christ. There's an example of it here: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+18:15-27&version=NKJV
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I don't necessarily disagree with what you say. I certainly don't like calisthenics, so I won't be bending over to touch my toes for marauders and destroyers of my faith, so to speak.
But, I do believe as a Christian there will be a fine line between allowing yourself to be "taken" for the will of God, and fighting.
Christ could have obliterated the entire Roman army in a femtosecond, but He let Himself be taken because of His purpose - even going so far as to "make even," and heal the ear His follower sliced off. That will be a big pill to swallow for us, and I certainly don't claim it will be easy in practice for us.
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I understand what you're saying here. I guess everything would have to be decided on an individual basis. Jesus did have a specific mission to accomplish, and He knew exactly what it was. He knew He was going to the cross. But if Islam somehow "takes over" in this country, and then one of my Muslim neighbors show up at my house knowing that I never renounced Christianity and breaks my down down and has a machete in his hand while I have a pistol in my hand, what is my mission at this point? Am I to let him do what he's going to do? It's not as clear-cut in cases like this as it was for Christ. I mean, I could just not shoot the guy and say that I know he won't end up killing me because I know I still have something I need to do. But at the same time, wouldn't I be negligent in not defending myself when I clearly have the means to do so? People seem to have different views on this.
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And yet Peter still became the first Pope... Jesus named him the rock on which He would build his Church, knowing that Peter was going to do this. Sounds like a case of "no harm, no foul."
Does that mean that if, God forbid, Islam does take over, and the machete-wielding maniacs come to your door, you'd be ready and willing to martyr yourself and your family?
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Total misunderstanding of those verses.
I'd defend myself the best I could. If I can't, then what's destined to be will be.
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Bro I would love to tell you the answer I completely understand your position. That is up to you and God, you know that. Your door break down may not be your "purpose" to be taken, it may be for the next guy.
Right now we represent the disciple who sliced the ear because we have the mindset to fight - which is great. I don't remember Christ excessively admonishing him for that. He just healed the soldier.
I think you know prAyer and fellowship with God will let us know.
Plus, I think God will move it in us if we need to double tap, or go willingly. I'm not worried, but I am cautious and, as you say, prepared for as many scenarios as I can be.
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Well, you're certainly no help.
And yet, here you are fretting over what to do if Islam "takes over..." why? After all, what's destined to be will be.
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Yeah, this is another thing. I mean, even if the guy breaks the door down and comes in and I have a pistol in hand, it doesn't automatically mean I kill him. Maybe the sight of gun pointed at him will cause him to leave. That's the case in the majority of self defense situations today. If not, then maybe a shot wouldn't end up killing him. That's often the case as well. Defense doesn't always mean death, even with a gun.
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As per the context of your example, I ignored then running scared since a bomb strapped to their chest doesn't deter [some of] them.
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Huh?
I believe his point is that people who strap high explosives to their bodies and blow themselves up aren't going to be intimidated by your little pop gun.
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I guess that's one of the big advantages of being a suicide bomber. At least most of them would rather do it somewhere other than private homes where only 1 person lives.
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If I did (and I don't), then I'd do my best to defend them as well. The best we can is about all we can do.
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Of course, another of the big advantages of being a bomber is the ability to use bombs that don't have to be strapped to one's own chest...
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