Futurist Only Thousand years

ivebeenshown said:

If an angel blows a trumpet which is owned by God, then the phrase 'trump of God' would be applicable in two senses: firstly, in that the trumpet is owned by God and not the angel, and secondly, in that the angel which blows the trumpet does so as delegated by God.

You have yet to show where Jesus himself is the direct agent of the blowing of a trumpet.

This is a red herring, because it has not been established that a trumpet or the blowing thereof is what actually causes the dead to rise.

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The scripture does not show us Jesus shouting, "BRIDE COME FORTH." It does say "the trump of God." If you wish to think that "the trump of God" is an angel blowing a trumpet 3 1/2 years later, there is little I can do to change your mind. Keep in mind it COULD read, "the trump of an angel." It does not.

By the way, the only way to know WHEN Paul's rapture will be - is to study what PAUL said, since he is the only New Testament writer who received a revelation of the rapture of the Church. Some think they can find the rapture in other places. However, they can never prove that a gathering written somewhere else is Paul's rapture. Neither has anyone proven conclusively that the 7th trumpet in Revelation is Paul's last trump. No one ever will prove this by scripture simply because it is not true.

I am amazed that people approach Revelation with a theory, and find right away that it does not fit. So instead of working on their theory, they rearrange Revelation to fit! How silly is that?

I formed my theory from Revelation and found that it fits all other scriptures.

iamlamad said:

The scripture does not show us Jesus shouting, "BRIDE COME FORTH." It does say "the trump of God." If you wish to think that "the trump of God" is an angel blowing a trumpet 3 1/2 years later, there is little I can do to change your mind. Keep in mind it COULD read, "the trump of an angel." It does not.

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I do not wish to comment on the bit about three and a half years, because I have said nothing about timing, so please do not mistake me for having done so. As for the trumpet, I feel that I have sufficiently demonstrated how the phrase "the trump of God" does not necessitate that God himself is the one directly performing the blowing of a trumpet.

By the way, the only way to know WHEN Paul's rapture will be - is to study what PAUL said, since he is the only New Testament writer who received a revelation of the rapture of the Church. Some think they can find the rapture in other places. However, they can never prove that a gathering written somewhere else is Paul's rapture.

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I assert that you cannot prove that there is any more than one event of mass resurrection, or gathering, or coming of Jesus, or of his judgment of all mankind. The scriptures clearly state that each of these events occurs at least once, and upon that I am certain we can agree, but I have yet to see a solid proof that there is more than one of any of one of these things.

Neither has anyone proven conclusively that the 7th trumpet in Revelation is Paul's last trump. No one ever will prove this by scripture simply because it is not true.

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Where is your proof that they are distinct? Is there another trumpet beyond the seventh in Revelation?

I am amazed that people approach Revelation with a theory, and find right away that it does not fit. So instead of working on their theory, they rearrange Revelation to fit! How silly is that?

I formed my theory from Revelation and found that it fits all other scriptures.

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I find it more pertinent to interpret a compilation of cryptic visions within the boundaries of clear statements from the likes of Jesus, Peter, Paul, and other prophets and such relevant persons.

iamlamad said:

Trying to add stuff that is not written will only get you into trouble with God Himself.

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I did a double take when I read this. Had to make sure it was you writing it.

iamlamad said:

I disagree yet again, for even in this verse, Jerusalem IS A CITY.

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Don't make the same mistake that the Jews made thinking that Jesus came to establish a physical kingdom on earth, or that the stone walls of a city mean anything to Him. There is a lot more symbolism and spiritualism in scripture than you think. Especially in the book of Revelation.

Echolipse said:

Btw, the AoD is the mid-point and the two witnesses appear right around the mid point of the week. they are then killed right at the end before the 7th trumpet is blown. The 5th trumpet occurs before the two witnesses are killed.

I think you misunderstood what I said regarding the 3-5 trumpets. The 5th trumpet DOESN'T make the 3rd trumpet occur, it's the opposite. Satan himself comes down in the 3rd trumpet and opens the abyss, which then causes the 4th trumpet, and the demons that come out of the 3rd trumpet ARE the 5th trumpet.

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Your theories are a mile off from scripture. Please, TRY to say what the Bible says? It is at the 5th trumpet that the abyss is unlocked.

Yes, abomination is the midpoint. But if we follow Dan. 9:27 closely it is the ceasing of the daily sacrifices. "... in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease..."

I am convinced that this occurs when the man of sin enters the most holy place in the temple and declares he is god. This will surely be an abomination.

Yes, the two witnesses appear just before the midpoint. In fact, that is when they begin their testimony. What you miss is that 11:4-13 is written as a parentheses with no bearing on chronology. Here is John's chronology:

11:1-2 the man of sin arrives in Jerusalem with his Gentile armies, so the city will be trampled.
11:3 the two witnesses show up 3 1/2 days before the midpoint and begin their testimony.
4-13 (or 14: I am going from memory) John takes us down the last half of the week with the two witnesses only. It may appear that they are killed just before the 7th trumpet but that is simply not what John is showing us. they must testify for 1260 days. They BEGIN 3 1/2 days before the midpoint and testify until 3 1/2 days before the END (the 7th vial). They are killed and lay dead until the end of the week, and are raised with all the rest of the Old Testament saints at the 7th vial.

7th trumpet sounds marking the exact midpoint and time of abomination.
12:6 those in Judea flee.

All chronology will be off uniless this parentheses is recognized from 11:4 to the end of the narrative of the two witnesses.

Start of chapter 11: about 3 1/2 days before the midpoint.
End of chapter 11: one or two seconds after the midpoint.

Echolipse said:

The angels do get the trumpets, but they're the trumpets of God. Just like in Genesis 6 when the fallen angels are referred to as being "sons of God". This can be supported in other scripture in the OT as well (fallen angels wise).

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WHO SOUNDS THE TRUMPETS?

Echolipse said:

The fact that nowhere does it say that the 7 trumpets and "John's last trumpet" are different. They are one in the same.



Dude, I've believed that they go together for months. I would try to argue my point, but I can already see it would go nowhere with you and God has really convicted my heart on debating. All I will say is that Hebrew stories generally reiterate stories as they're being told. They tell one part, then they go back and give more detail on a specific event. This is exactly what is going on in Revelation.

Keep in mind though, I'm not arguing with the whole thing about Christ returning after the GT, because that is true.

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The fact that nowhere does it say that the 7 trumpets and "John's last trumpet" are different. They are one in the same.

No no! That is backwards thinking. They are written to two different people at two different times about different subjects. One must find scripture to prove they are the same, not to prove they are different. The way each is written proves they are different. They come at different times - so impossible they could be the same trumpets.

You only THINK this is what happens in Revelation. I can assure you it is not. There is NO COMING at Rev. 7. There is no gathering at Rev. 7. Why not study Rev. 7 and find out what REALLY happens there. You will find ONE MAIN EVENT: The kingdoms of the world are taken from Satan and given to Jesus Christ.

If you study indepth, you might ask: WHY at this point in time did this exchange take place? What happened so that this exchange COULD take place? What is the relationship between the scroll with the 7 seals and this exchange? What is the great secret about the 7th trumpet? Why is Michael finally allowed to take Satan down after the 7th trumpet? When does not millennium end and one begin in Revelation?

Good point on not arguing. Anyway, one should be arguing the truth if one is to argue.

ivebeenshown said:

I do not wish to comment on the bit about three and a half years, because I have said nothing about timing, so please do not mistake me for having done so. As for the trumpet, I feel that I have sufficiently demonstrated how the phrase "the trump of God" does not necessitate that God himself is the one directly performing the blowing of a trumpet.

I assert that you cannot prove that there is any more than one event of mass resurrection, or gathering, or coming of Jesus, or of his judgment of all mankind. The scriptures clearly state that each of these events occurs at least once, and upon that I am certain we can agree, but I have yet to see a solid proof that there is more than one of any of one of these things.

Where is your proof that they are distinct? Is there another trumpet beyond the seventh in Revelation?

I find it more pertinent to interpret a compilation of cryptic visions within the boundaries of clear statements from the likes of Jesus, Peter, Paul, and other prophets and such relevant persons.

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OF COURSE I can prove it. How or why would I be so dogmatic about it if I could not prove it?
First, about resurrections: John himself proves that will be TWO resurrections separated by 1000 years. Is his proof not proof enough for you?

If you study 1 thes. 4 & 5 until you know the Author's intent you will find it impossible to think It is the same gathering as Matthew 24. Here is a synopsis of what Paul wrote:

A SUDDENLY is coming. It will come when people are saying and living "peace and safety."
What is this sudden event? It will be the dead in Christ rising. As God raises them, it will cause a great, worldwide earthquake. (See Matthew 27) When God raises those who have been long dead, bringing the molecules (atoms, quarks or some other level) back together will cause the earth to quake.

This earthquake will be Paul's "sudden destruction." Paul's sudden destruction will be the start of God's wrath and the start of the DAY of the Lord.

AT this sudden destruction earthquake TWO different people groups get TWO different results:

1. Those living in the light of the Gospel get raptured and so "get to live together with Him" (So shall we ever be with the Lord.) About the moment the earth begins to quake, the Bride will be raised.

2. Those living in darkness get the sudden destruction and will not escape.

So those living in the light of the Gospel DO escape. They escape God's wrath. That is why Paul continued that the Bride of Christ will not suffer this quake and wrath because GOD HAS SET NO APPOINTMENTS for us with His wrath.

Luke 21:36
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Obviously those living in the light prayed and were found worthy so were caught up and will ESCAPE His wrath.

Next, we look in Revelation and see where God's wrath begins: then we will be very close to Paul's rapture. We find that at the last verse of chapter 6: "The day of His wrath has come. And we also find a great worldwide earthquake.

How amazing, in the next chapter, John SAW the raptured church in heaven. HOW did they get there? They were raptured there. OF COURSE this fits 1 Thes. and John 14.

Can anyone prove BY SCRIPTURE that this scenario is not true?

By the way, a very wise Bible College professor said to our class something along this line:

"Wisdom says to form theories from the MOST COMPLETE scripture first, then fill in missing pieces from lessor scriptures. Always prefer NEW Testament scriptures on a given subject over Old, for the New explains the Old. God is a self revealing God and as time progresses, gives more and more complete revelations."

The book of Revelation is by far the most complete of all end times scriptures. Wisdom then would tell us to for theories there. If we did, for example, we would KNOW there will be TWO major resurrections separated by 1000 years.

iamlamad said:

OF COURSE I can prove it. How or why would I be so dogmatic about it if I could not prove it?

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Your self-described 'dogmatism' does not suffice for evidence for your arguments.

First, about resurrections: John himself proves that will be TWO resurrections separated by 1000 years. Is his proof not proof enough for you?

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He does not specify whether the "first resurrection" is of the body, and Paul says elsewhere that we "are risen" already.

If you study 1 thes. 4 & 5 until you know the Author's intent you will find it impossible to think It is the same gathering as Matthew 24. Here is a synopsis of what Paul wrote:

A SUDDENLY is coming. It will come when people are saying and living "peace and safety."
What is this sudden event? It will be the dead in Christ rising. As God raises them, it will cause a great, worldwide earthquake. (See Matthew 27) When God raises those who have been long dead, bringing the molecules (atoms, quarks or some other level) back together will cause the earth to quake.

This earthquake will be Paul's "sudden destruction."

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In the days of Noah, he and his family knew of impending destruction by means of flood, but everyone else disbelieved, making merry until their doom befell them. Paul only says "sudden destruction will come upon them and they will not escape", and does not state that this destruction is the side effect of a rapture, or even that it is an earthquake.

Paul's sudden destruction will be the start of God's wrath and the start of the DAY of the Lord.

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I agree with this, but you and I both know that we disagree about other qualities of that day.

AT this sudden destruction earthquake TWO different people groups get TWO different results:

1. Those living in the light of the Gospel get raptured and so "get to live together with Him" (So shall we ever be with the Lord.) About the moment the earth begins to quake, the Bride will be raised.

2. Those living in darkness get the sudden destruction and will not escape.

So those living in the light of the Gospel DO escape. They escape God's wrath. That is why Paul continued that the Bride of Christ will not suffer this quake and wrath because GOD HAS SET NO APPOINTMENTS for us with His wrath.

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And again, I agree with this (barring the equation of 'sudden destruction' to an earthquake), although we both disagree about what constitutes God's wrath as well as the events that unfold after it begins.

Luke 21:36
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

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Obviously those living in the light prayed and were found worthy so were caught up and will ESCAPE His wrath.

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Here, I disagree with you that the great tribulation spoken of by Christ is equivalent to God's wrath.

Next, we look in Revelation and see where God's wrath begins: then we will be very close to Paul's rapture. We find that at the last verse of chapter 6: "The day of His wrath has come. And we also find a great worldwide earthquake.

How amazing, in the next chapter, John SAW the raptured church in heaven. HOW did they get there? They were raptured there. OF COURSE this fits 1 Thes. and John 14.

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I should point out that, at the end of chapter 11, it is also stated that "thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged." Is his wrath come more than once or is this an example of the non-sequential nature of many of the visions seen by John?

Can anyone prove BY SCRIPTURE that this scenario is not true?

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While I do believe flaws in many various theories could be found by finding contradicting statements in Scripture, it is not on me to prove you wrong. It is on you to prove yourself right.

By the way, a very wise Bible College professor said to our class something along this line:

"Wisdom says to form theories from the MOST COMPLETE scripture first, then fill in missing pieces from lessor scriptures. Always prefer NEW Testament scriptures on a given subject over Old, for the New explains the Old. God is a self revealing God and as time progresses, gives more and more complete revelations."

The book of Revelation is by far the most complete of all end times scriptures. Wisdom then would tell us to for theories there. If we did, for example, we would KNOW there will be TWO major resurrections separated by 1000 years.

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One might also say that it is wise to interpret surreal, apocalyptic visions in the light of more plain and easily understood statements from Scripture.

Echolipse said:

Correct


Where you get that it's written as a parentheses?
We discover parentheses by study. First, do you believe the 42 months of trampling will start and end at the verse of mention: 11:1-2? Do you believe the 1260 days of fleeing begin and end in 12:6? Do you believe the 3 1/2 years begin and end in Rev. 12? Do you believe the 42 months of authority begin and end in Rev. 13? I certainly don't on any of these questions. The countdown begins at the verse of mention. The 42 months of trampling will not end until just before the 7th vial ends the week. The 1260 days of fleeing and protection will not end until the 7th vial ends the week. The 3 1/2 years of protection and feeding will not end until the 7th vial ends the week. The 42 months of authority will not end until Jesus returns to stop it. So why then would anyone think something different about the 1260 days of prophesying/testifying? The 1260 days of testifying will not end until near the 7th vial either. All five of these are speaking of events that will start at the midpoint and go to the end of the week.


I don't see where it says anything about "armies" i just read where the nations will be allowed to walk in the temple for 42 months (3 1/2 years) It does not say anything about armies.
But do you think the man of sin would come to Jerusalem ALONE? Who is it that will trample the Jewish city? Jews? No, It will be those who come with the man of sin. In this ONE respect I will be like all the other posters here: post something with no scripture to back it; only a theory. But it is a very good theory. Oh! I should be like all the other posters here: PROVE BY SCRIPTURE that the city will NOT be trampled by the armies of the man of sin - soon to be BEAST.

where do you get the 3 1/2 days part?
It is not that difficult. Their testifying, just like the trampling, the fleeing, the feeding and the authority are all events that will begin around the midpoint and go to the end of the week. We know the last half of the week will be 1260 days - the exact time of testifying - and we know they will lie dead for 3 1/2 days. So to get their 1260 days plus the 3 1/2 days they lay dead - all before the end of the week, they MUST start 3 1/2 days before the midpoint. It is simply arithmetic. It is my guess that the man of sin will arrive in Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before the time he will enter the temple and abominate - and the two witnesses show up then BECAUSE HE SHOWED UP.

I agree with you on that, only issue is i don't see where you get the 3 1/2 days from. I see where we're butting heads here. I believe that the 6th seal, 7th trumpet, and 7th bowl. I say this because all the events described in all 3 judgments are the same.
I think you need to read those a little more closely! OF COURSE they are not the same!. And the way this is written, NO trumpet can be sounded before all 7 seals are broken and THEN the trumpets given to the angels.


obviously i disagree with you that the 7th trumpet marks the midpoint. the AoD marks the exact midpoint and that's when Israel flees.
I can only tell you that while reading Daniel 9:27 God spoke to me. I heard His voice, and His words. He said I could find that exact midpoint (spelled out in the word "midst" in Daniel 9:27) "clearly marked" in the book of Revelation - and then told me how to find it. Make no mistake, the 7th trumpet will sound in heaven the moment the man of sin declares he is god on earth. For further proof, notice that those in Judea FLEE right after the 7th trumpet is sounded. (Rev. 12:6) 12:6 will be only a second or two after the 7th trumpet. This too is proof that 11:4-13 is written as a parenthesis.)


again, where do you get the basis for the parentheses?
It is by STUDY. Did no notice that there is an earthquake when they rise? It is the very same earthquake as seen at the 7th vial that ends the week.

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Start of chapter 11: about 3 1/2 days before the midpoint.
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how are you getting these exact timelines?
By STUDY.


the angels sound all the trumpets. In every single trumpet an angel blows the trumpet. Even in chapter 8, verse 6 it says that 7 angels were getting ready to sound the trumpets.
Yes, and this is AFTER all seven seals are broken. Don't miss that part.



where are you getting the basis that they're different? i'm assuming they're the same because I have yet to find a verse that says that they're different. It's like saying the Olivet Prophecies in Matthew, Mark, and Luke are talking about different events because they say the same thing word for word. But they're the same event written by 3 different people give by the same man at the same time.
You are approaching this backwards. The bible shows them in different chapters of different books - and by different authors. In other words, GOD separated them. it is you that are trying to put them together and make them one. It is up to you to PROVE BY SCRIPTURE that events written separately must be one and the same thing. As an example, the signs in the sun and moon (Rev. 6 and Matthew 24) are written in different books by different authors and they are NOT THE SAME. How can anyone think that a darkened sun and darkened moon can equal a blood red moon? We can only see the moon IF it reflects sunlight. If no sunlight hits the moon it will be SO DARK it will not be seen. We can SEE a blood red moon. By the way, there is ONE GOOD way the sun appears black and that is a total eclipse. There is ONE GOOD way the moon appears blood red - and that is at an eclipse. just saying....

When did I say that the gathering is at Rev 7? Nevermind, I see how you saw that. Revelation is written with overlapping timelines. Imagine I tell you a story and then I go back and give you more information on a specific timeframe. Revelation does this, but multiple times.
NO IT ISN'T (written with overlap) and you cannot prove it is. No one ever has been able to prove things in Revelation "overlap." Why? Because they don't. If you THINK it does, then by all means SHOW US: give us examples.

I urge you to read all the events that speak on the rapture itself. Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Thes, 1 Cor, 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Bowl. While they not match word for word, they all have some of the same events that occur during that specific time that is not described anywhere else for that event. You'll find they match.[/QUOTE]

STOP!!! You cannot prove Matthew 24 is the rapture. NO ONE EVER HAS. Not by scripture. That is only a theory and a poor one. They come at different times and cannot be the same. I have a question: is God not allowed to have ANOTHER "gathering" without people jumping on it like a dog on a bone and then INSISTING it is the same gathering?

Echolipse said:

So that last thread that was created, the poll, made me think of something I've considered in the past, but haven't taken the time to really study on. The thousand years of Christ's reign.

In Revelationit is said that He will reign for 1,000 years with theand his demon locked away. Then after those 1,000 years, Satan is loosed again for a short period of time to deceive again. My thought is, if those 1,000 years aren't peaceful, who is there to cause problems if Satan and his demons are bound and the AC and false prophet have been thrown into the bottomless pit? To my knowledge, there is really no one else that is rebellious to cause problems for 1,000 years.

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Revelation 20:2-3 says satan is sealed off and bound. Therefore we know he is out of the picture, for 1000 years.


Zechariah 14:16 speaks of a future event. Currently there are not nations that have come against Jerusalem, that go to celebrate the feast of tabernacles. This will occur when Zechariah 14:9 which states He will be King over all the earth, (future). So He will be King over the earth and the those who survived the tribulation (at least the ones from the nations who came against Jerusalem), and the wrath of God, will be required to go to Jerusalem...or else a plague, (future requirement). We know some will have survived because this tells us "those who are left, who came against Jerusalem", (indicating that they were not saved).


It appears as though the atmosphere will be changed to that of something similar to pre-flood times. As it appears life span will be vastly increased. Isaiah 65:20 here tells us the days of the sinner/accursed will be 100 years. We know that from the day of Isaiah until now this has not been the case. In our age, 70-80 years typically, if all goes well. So this is a reference to a yet future time. Those who are still as we are now will be left to repopulate the earth. With few people dying, many will be on the earth after 1000 years. Like most all of us, they too will have to make a decision. Just as we have already, to follow Christ, on our own free will. They must also choose, either, To join satan in his final failing rebellion, or to choose the Lord...of course, those who are deceived won't see it that way. God doesn't force anyone into His presence. He'll urge, and send a witness, even died for us...but if a person continually rejects Him, they've made their choice.


There are more scriptures that support this viewpoint. So because of them, that's the way I see it.

iamlamad said:

Start of chapter 11: about 3 1/2 days before the midpoint.
End of chapter 11: one or two seconds after the midpoint.

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how are you getting these exact timelines?
By STUDY.


the angels sound all the trumpets. In every single trumpet an angel blows the trumpet. Even in chapter 8, verse 6 it says that 7 angels were getting ready to sound the trumpets.
Yes, and this is AFTER all seven seals are broken. Don't miss that part.



where are you getting the basis that they're different? i'm assuming they're the same because I have yet to find a verse that says that they're different. It's like saying the Olivet Prophecies in Matthew, Mark, and Luke are talking about different events because they say the same thing word for word. But they're the same event written by 3 different people give by the same man at the same time.
You are approaching this backwards. The bible shows them in different chapters of different books - and by different authors. In other words, GOD separated them. it is you that are trying to put them together and make them one. It is up to you to PROVE BY SCRIPTURE that events written separately must be one and the same thing. As an example, the signs in the sun and moon (Rev. 6 and Matthew 24) are written in different books by different authors and they are NOT THE SAME. How can anyone think that a darkened sun and darkened moon can equal a blood red moon? We can only see the moon IF it reflects sunlight. If no sunlight hits the moon it will be SO DARK it will not be seen. We can SEE a blood red moon. By the way, there is ONE GOOD way the sun appears black and that is a total eclipse. There is ONE GOOD way the moon appears blood red - and that is at an eclipse. just saying....

When did I say that the gathering is at Rev 7? Nevermind, I see how you saw that. Revelation is written with overlapping timelines. Imagine I tell you a story and then I go back and give you more information on a specific timeframe. Revelation does this, but multiple times.
NO IT ISN'T (written with overlap) and you cannot prove it is. No one ever has been able to prove things in Revelation "overlap." Why? Because they don't. If you THINK it does, then by all means SHOW US: give us examples.

I urge you to read all the events that speak on the rapture itself. Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, Thes, 1 Cor, 6th Seal, 7th Trumpet, and 7th Bowl. While they not match word for word, they all have some of the same events that occur during that specific time that is not described anywhere else for that event. You'll find they match.[/QUOTE]

STOP!!! You cannot prove Matthew 24 is the rapture. NO ONE EVER HAS. Not by scripture. That is only a theory and a poor one. They come at different times and cannot be the same. I have a question: is God not allowed to have ANOTHER "gathering" without people jumping on it like a dog on a bone and then INSISTING it is the same gathering?[/QUOTE]
So often I hear that the 3.5 years is 1260 days, and believed that to be the case myself. However, after reviewing the Hebrew calendar, I came to find that is likely impossible. That, and many other things allowed me to consider a different possibility.

In the Hebrew calendar, a normal year has 354-355 days. So to make it line up with the solar calendar, a intercalary (year) is added about every 3 years. A leap year has 384-385 days. A 3.5 year period would usually be 354x2 + 384 + 355•1/2 = about 1269 or somewhere in that area. However if there are 2 leap years in a 3.5 year period (which will likely be the case), you would have 354X2 + 384 +29.5•7 = around 1298.5. Daniel 12:11 Daniel 12:7 Daniel 7:25 all speaking of the same period of time. Daniel 12:11 (1290 days), yet being slightly less time that the others, as the power of Gods holy people, will be scattered/shattered, before the Abomination of desolation. 3.5 years in this case possibly 1297+ days, falling just before a leap year in the Hebrew calendar.

See, in a leap year, they double the month of Adar. However, Adar 2, which is the extra month,is still considered the 12 month, according to Jewish tradition. Therefore, 42 months 3.5 years just about the same, maybe with a little wiggle room.

1260 days is 1260 days. I would venture to say the abomination of desolation would happen during the fall feasts before an intercalary year in the Hebrew calendar. Of course, allowing for more that 1290 days in a 3.5 day period. This would allow Daniel 12:11 to line up with all others.


Zechariah 6:12-13 says the Branch (Messiah) will build the temple of the Lord. This does not speak of a physical temple. This Speaks of Christ and a spiritual temple. The Jews missed that, they're still waiting for this. Some will likely equate the building of their 3rd temple to this scripture. The anti christ, of course will deceive them further in this matter, and claim to be God. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. Many Jews expect the feast of tabernacles, to see their Messiah return, or at least a good possibility. Besides there's more biblical evidence to this.


I guess my point being 3.5 years couldn't really be 1260 days.

Echolipse said:

Actually, if it was pre-flood times it would be several HUNDRED years for lifespan. Methuselah lived for 975 years, Noah live for 300+ years, Adam lived for 900+ years. From after the flood till now, we have been given 120 years on this earth. Some people have been blessed with more. The typical lifespan these days depend on where you live, how you lived your life, and sometimes how you were raised, but God has given us 120 days on this earth.

One thing that I haven't considered is how long the lifespan will be for those who are living during the 1000 years. Because those who were raptured at the end will be immortal.

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Yes indeed, and if the accursed or sinner dies at 100 years. Then the righteous would live much longer. Very possible, to ripe old age of 1000 years. Similar to pre flood.

Fusion77 said:

Yes indeed, and if the accursed or sinner dies at 100 years. Then the righteous would live much longer. Very possible, to ripe old age of 1000 years. Similar to pre flood.

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Of course, I use 1000 as an example. Someone born 1/2 way through could only be about 500.

Fusion77 said:

Yes indeed, and if the accursed or sinner dies at 100 years. Then the righteous would live much longer. Very possible, to ripe old age of 1000 years. Similar to pre flood.

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Of course, we can really only speculate on this. All we know for sure, is that the lifespan of someone who lives right, will be greatly increased. Considerably more than 100 years up to about 1000 years. Even if it were only 200 years, some major changes would have to occur...well, in order for a human to live that long.