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A penis doesn't declare someone male, a Y chromosome does.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10943/
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Not according to society. We don't perform a chromosome check to determine whether to label people male or female.
If the Y chromosome is your barometer, then a male gave birth. The NCBI declares this person a female, despite the presence of a Y chromosome. This isn't the only time this has happened either.
Your link notes multiple ways to determine whether someone is male or female, FYI. Only genotypic sex depends on chromosomes. They even separate gender out from sex.
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Which is that people are not neatly born 100% male or 100% female. That, 98cwitr, is an immutable fact. You may want to actually read the link you just quoted.
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And should those who always looked like girls when they were boys, and trying to be boys, accept that and let others laugh and ridicule them?
Do we ignore what is in our hearts?
It would be easier to drown the deserts.
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It's also not generally used to classify people as male or female because nobody checks genotype at birth.
Not neatly, no. Remove the word neatly and I could make a case
I did read the link.
Remove it and you still have a reality of people not being born 100% male or 100% female.
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These are psychological/sociological questions and are highly dynamic. People who will be whoever their nature drives them to be, and if their nature drives them to falsely label themselves something they are not, then that is always subject to change (non-immutable).
Example: I might feel like working out more next week, should I then label myself athletic?
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They don't check genotype because it costs money to do so. People don't wanna pay to check that when they're paying for a bunch of other tests to make sure the baby is simply okay and healthy.
Removed. Now define "male" and "female" Which way do you choose? Genotype, phenotype, or simply "whatever they want to identify themselves as at the time?"
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I find it interesting that you jump from it being someone's nature to "falsely label themselves".
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Do you know what happens when we ignore parts of our psyche? They don't just go away. They tend to split causing a disassociatve identity disorder and further inner torment for those who already are tormented.
A Christian would not want to push that on anyone I think.
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I really don't know what it costs, nor do I care. The point remains that we don't use it to classify anyone in society.
As used in my sentence, 100% male would be defined as having a genotype, phenotype and gender of male; 100% female would be having a genotype, phenotype and gender of female.
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Trans people do exactly that, but it seems that some in society want people to be what they want them to be something they aren't - their genitals.
To put it another way, I tried to be (and wanted to be) a guy for most of my life. I finally gave in and admitted that it wasn't me and that I was just trying to be what society wanted me to be. I've finally accepted who I am. However, some folks are of the belief that the only thing that matters in determining my identity, for all intents and purposes, is what the doctor saw when I was born. Go figure.
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If I may ask, are you sexually attracted to males or females? Do you find your desire to be a male to be sexually driven, or is something else driving that?
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