God is showing his wrath on Mecca

“Unlike former days, the denial of God or of religion, or the abandonment of them, are no longer unusual and individual occurrences. For today it is not rare for such things to be presented as requirements of scientific progress or of a certain new humanism. In numerous places these views are voiced not only in the teachings of philosophers, but on every side they influence literature, the arts, the interpretation of the humanities and of history and civil laws themselves. As a consequence, many people are shaken.” - Gaudium et Spes, Vatican II (added emphasis)

Yes, and many/most people would attribute that to the so-called "Enlightenment", which began in the 1620s -- not to an AC/DC record released in 1979. That's all I'm saying.

LivingWordUnity said:

The sin of scandal. That song Highway to Hell gets people thinking that Hell is the place they want to go since the idea it promotes is that Hell is not a bad place to be. I used to be very much into Rock and Heavy Metal, and that song influenced my philosophy back then. I specifically remember when I was a teenager telling my mom that I thought the part of the song that says, "my friends are going to be there, too" made sense to me. It wasn't until after I converted to Christianity later that I realized how wrong and dangerous it was to believe that way. Before the atheistic Modern Age, if a song like that would have come out it would be universally recognized as evil and condemned. But in this age evil is called good. It's a sign of the times.

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You are talking about something that a man did, I am asking for the evidence that leads you to believe he had a son on his conscience. Simply committing a morally evil act does not suggest that a person's soul is in a state of sin.

MikeK said:

You are talking about something that a man did, I am asking for the evidence that leads you to believe he had a son on his conscience. Simply committing a morally evil act does not suggest that a person's soul is in a state of sin.

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How do you interpret the song?

LivingWordUnity said:

How do you interpret the song?

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I interpret it literally, but I don't know who's point of view it is, the singer or an imaginary character. That doesn't have a whole lot to do with whether anyone involved with the song did or did not sin.

When I was a kid, I used to think I heard the "N" word in the beginning of the song. Some of the other kids I hung around with thought they heard it, too. I found out later that the lyrics said, "season ticket on a one way ride."

If saying I want Satan to come into me and saying I want to go to hell were enough to make God kill you---He's falling down on the job. My father said it on a pretty regular basis when I was a kid and he'd fly into one of his rages. He lived to be 81, and though fairly poor most his life, he died with a little more than a million dollars in the bank. He died unrepentant.
At one point I told God I didn't want Him in my life, that I was quite willing to go to hell, just leave me alone. He didn't listen to me either.

mmksparbud said:

If saying I want Satan to come into me and saying I want to go to hell were enough to make God kill you---He's falling down on the job. My father said it on a pretty regular basis when I was a kid and he'd fly into one of his rages. He lived to be 81, and though fairly poor most his life, he died with a little more than a million dollars in the bank. He died unrepentant.
At one point I told God I didn't want Him in my life, that I was quite willing to go to hell, just leave me alone. He didn't listen to me either.

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Scandal has different degrees. In the case of Highway to Hell, it's a popular song that has probably influenced millions of people. It still comes on the radio today even though it's been about 35 years since it first debuted. And I think its popularity helped Satanism to work its way into mainstream culture.

Yah--and Hitler killed millions of people and influenced many more to believe as he did-----which is more revolting to God? Words, or acts?

Hitler didn't last very long.

More than long enough.

mmksparbud said:

More than long enough.

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Hitler failed in his goal and died. So it doesn't support the point you are trying to make.

LivingWordUnity said:

Hitler failed in his goal and died. So it doesn't support the point you are trying to make.

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Hitler successfully killed millions of people and did it for years--this guy sings one song and you're claiming God more than likely killed him. The Muslims have been around for a few thousand years and killed millions also over those years---and He is just getting around to killing 700 of them??!!! Don't think so!

mmksparbud said:

Hitler successfully killed millions of people and did it for years--this guy sings one song and you're claiming God more than likely killed him. The Muslims have been around for a few thousand years and killed millions also over those years---and He is just getting around to killing 700 of them??!!! Don't think so!

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I didn't say that God more than likely killed him. I said, "Was his sudden, unexpected death in some way God's direct doing? Although we don't know for sure, it seems likely" (added emphasis). I've had to say over and over again in this thread that I never said that I know for sure that Bon Scott went to Hell. I've only commented on how it looks to us who are not God. But people keep reading into my posts what I didn't say.

LivingWordUnity said:

"Was his sudden, unexpected death in some way God's direct doing?

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That is different from saying that God more than likely did it??---If it is--sorry--but in some way God's direct doing I do not see as much different from probably. Doesn't seem likely to me.

Believing in God in this age of scientific explanations of every type of conceivable physical event or disaster I suppose means believing that ultimately truth and justice will prevail.
The soundest principle for the sustainability of human life are living according to the truth and justice.
If a religion sustains itself by whipping its proponents up into frenzied behavior, that ultimately works against itself. The same can be said about popular culture that uses song to do the same thing with its own audience.
Science gives us the concept of the survival of the fittest, and the idea that reproductive success selects the future population that is better adapted to the environment in which it finds itself.
Believing in God from that perspective means believing that divine virtues such as truth and justice are the adaptations to the natural environment that will ultimately prevail, over time.

To the extent that the behavior of Muslims in Mecca are not conducive to heavenly values of peace and truth and justice, and indeed whipping oneself into a religious fervor is not conducive to such values, then in that sense God's wrath is in play through the forces of natural selection. The more that the violence of the Muslim street is portrayed as the will of God, the more that the resulting stampedes and intolerable living conditions will strike out at the very core of such a religion. An audience that seeks out Satan through drugs and sex and mind-numbing music is an audience that eventually degrades itself into oblivion. This is not the kind of culture that is going to ultimately prevail. Such behavior may go on for centuries, but eventually a culture that is more steeped in the heavenly virtues of truth and justice and peaceful temperance will ultimately eclipse such practices and cultures.

Believing in God need not mean believing in some supernatural or magical override of nature's laws. Instead believing in God means believing that even the laws of nature heed the call of God, heed the call of truth and justice, and that indeed even the rocks proclaim the goodness of God.

mmksparbud said:

That is different from saying that God more than likely did it??---If it is--sorry--but in some way God's direct doing I do not see as much different from probably. Doesn't seem likely to me.

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On the surface of it, it does look bad how he died. I'm only judging the surface of it from what we can see.

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