Is the second coming of Christ near?

[JohnD70X7]

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

• Matthew 24:34
• Mark 13:30
• Luke 21:32

Speaking prophetically of Israel as the fig tree (Hosea 9:10) in each of the above passages (which Jesus cursed for fruitless unbelief) being restored to produce leaves (and not fruit, I might add) means the Jewish people will return to the holy land but in a state of non-spirituality. Ezekiel 37 also prophesies to this regathering as the breathless dry bones and the joined two sticks. All the eventual outcome from the 2520 year diaspora begun in 586 BCE…

Israel was never united or under its own sovereign reign since then… until 1948 CE. But even then not in a spiritual state. That’s been nearly 100 years. Most agree a biblical generation can be between 70 to 100 years.

To date, it’s been 75 years actually. By the coincidental 200 + year advancement of globalism (reference Eustace Mullins’ book Secrets of the Federal Reserve / revisited by Dr. J.R. Church of Prophecy in the News ministry in a broadcast series on the Watchman on the Wall Radio broadcast of the Southwest Radio Church circa 1994) the stage is being set for the beast of Revelation 13 to take over the world.

He will plow with the LORD’s heifer (John 5:43 / Daniel 9:27) feigning to be the promised Messiah the Jews who reject Jesus are still looking for. In a relatively short order he will win their trust by building the third temple and invoking what appears to be a global peace (Jeremiah 6:14, Jeremiah 8:11). And when he reneges on that covenant with Israel (Daniel 9:27 / Zechariah 5:5–11) the Jews will become the refuseniks the Christians had been.

Let me back up a step. When the beast appears on the world scene, he will oppose Christ and all who believe in him with a vengeance. This will be a persecution of Christians like never before (Revelation 12:17 - Revelation 13:18). The pre-wrath rapture is only pre-God’s-wrath… the devil’s wrath has been raging against the Church for 1900 + years. And in the first half of the 70th Week of Daniel (Daniel 9:24–27) that wrath of the evil one will come to a head where believers are hunted down (by the tracking system 666) to be executed. The rapture, when it occurs mind 70th Week of Daniel, will be of very few survivors so deep in hiding that their sudden absence will go unnoticed by the world.

When the beast reneges on his covenant with the Jewish people and puts an end to Temple sacrifice to revert to his Jerusalem (Babylon) originally built by his Moses (Nimrod), the Jews will realize they’d been had. They will balk and this is why the 200 million man army will be encamped at Armageddon to utterly destroy them. It is at that time they will finally (at long last) cry out to Jesus to be saved from this annihilation. ← sadly, as a last resort for nothing else will have worked… the poison of the leaven of the Pharisees have infected their beliefs about Jesus for 1900 + years…

And Jesus will come (Jude 14 / Matthew 23:37–39 / Zechariah 14:10):

Revelation 14:19–20 (KJV)

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Jesus made it clear in Matthew 23:37–39 that his return would be to rescue the Jewish people quoting the latter half of:

Psalm 118:25–26 (KJV)

25 Save now, I beseech thee, O LORD: O LORD, I beseech thee, send now prosperity.

26 Blessed be he that cometh in the name of the LORD: we have blessed you out of the house of the LORD.

Save now (hosha nah = hosanna) YeHOSHua HaMoshiakh (Jesus the Christ).

This outcry of the Jewish people is the very purpose for allowing the tribulation and great tribulation.

 

[trophy33]

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

This is pure speculation, common in dispensationalism/futurism.

Jesus said nothing about the fig tree representing anything like that. The context of His words was the generation He lived in.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

• Matthew 24:34
• Mark 13:30
• Luke 21:32

Jesus didn't refer to "the generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland".

He said "this generation". Jesus refers to things that were fulfilled in the lifetime of His original audience, most notably, the destruction of the Temple.

Jesus is also very clear that He returns when we don't know. Our Lord could return in ten minutes or ten thousand years. Since we do not know, and since when He comes He comes without warning, speculating is a useless thing to do.

The Lord will return when He returns.
Until then be a faithful servant.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BobRyan]

The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things (including Christ’s return) shall come to pass.

• Matthew 24:34
• Mark 13:30
• Luke 21:32

While I do agree that the appearing of Christ is near - none of the texts above say "The generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland will not pass before all things shall come to pass".

Nor do they say that "a fig tree with leaves - means Israel has returned to her homeland" in those texts.

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Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Tells us​

1. The rapture is visible to all mankind​

2. Saints are gathered "from one end of the sky to the other" -- and they get into the sky -- via the rapture​

3. The rapture event of Matt 24 takes place after the great tribulation "immediately after the tribulation)​

32 “Now learn the parable from the fig tree: as soon as its branch has become tender and sprouts its leaves, you know that summer is near; 33 so you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door.

Tells us​

1. When you see ALL these things -- not merely "one of these things"​

2. You know it is "near" not that the rapture is happening. (We might all agree it is near - however)​

34 Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

'This generation' -- is the generation that sees "All these things".

meanwhile here is the big problem:

36 “But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. 38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 At that time there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.​

And this problem of the fake second coming:

19 But woe to those women who are pregnant, and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 Moreover, pray that when you flee, it will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘He is over here,’ do not believe him. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and will provide great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. 25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them. 27 For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.​

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The text above says that if they can give you "a location" on earth where Christ has returned "believe them not" -- oops! that is a problem

The text says that the all-sign,- all-power, wonders .. is so convincing it could easly convince the very elect. But the text presumes that the very elect are so well informed about the warnings given - such diligent Bible students - they and they alone -- will not be taken in.

25 Behold, I have told you in advance. 26 So if they say to you, ‘Behold, He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Behold, He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe them.

That does not bode so well for anyone determined to pay no attention to these warnings of Christ, written in scripture.

Rev 13 says "everyone deceived"
Matt 24 says just as at the flood "everyone deceived" except for 8
2 Thess 2 says everyone deceived who does not have "a love of the truth" - so as to reject such "all-power" signs and wonders

 

[bling]

nearer today than yesterday.

 

[Sorn]

Matt 24:
29 “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Tells us​

1. The rapture is visible to all mankind​

2. Saints are gathered "from one end of the sky to the other" -- and they get into the sky -- via the rapture​

3. The rapture event of Matt 24 takes place after the great tribulation "immediately after the tribulation)​

The rapture happens before the tribulation, 1 Thessalonians 5:9.
Those who are saved during the tribulation become the elect mentioned in the passage and they are gathered by the angels to be safe & protected from the destruction about to befall the unbelieving antichrist following world.
Christians, the church or body of Christ are raptured before the tribulation.

 

[brmicke]

In the whole of scripture, there is one place where we are told that God sends Jesus a Second time. Acts 3:20.

We are told to expect two appearances of the Lord in Heb 9:28.

Jesus was crucified when He came the first time.

So if the Bible says that He comes again through the Holy Spirit we should accept what scripture teaches correct?

Acts 3:20 says Jesus comes when we repent of unbelief. Acts 2:38.

Ac 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Ac 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Every other time in the Bible the coming of the Lord is on the "Day" of the Lord which is for judgment/destruction (Joel 1:15) not the Second coming which is for salvation (Heb 9:28).

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Joe 1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

 

[Diamond7]

To date, it’s been 75 years actually.

The life expectancy for Israel in 2022 was 83.34 years, a 0.18% increase from 2021. 1930 is about the same time the Church age will be 2,000 years. Then we have the 1,000 year reign of Christ. (Third day)

 

[Sorn]

The life expectancy for Israel in 2022 was 83.34 years, a 0.18% increase from 2021. 1930 is about the same time the Church age will be 2,000 years. Then we have the 1,000 year reign of Christ. (Third day)

1930 or 2030?

 

[Diamond7]

1930 or 2030?

2030 Luke 21:25-26 "There will be signs in the sun, moon, and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken."

On April 13, 2029, Apophis will pass the earth.

 

[bbbbbbb]

nearer today than yesterday.

 

[JohnD70X7]

The life expectancy for Israel in 2022 was 83.34 years, a 0.18% increase from 2021. 1930 is about the same time the Church age will be 2,000 years. Then we have the 1,000 year reign of Christ. (Third day)

I only pointed out that it has been 75 years since 1948.

1930 is only 1900 years after 30 CE.

The "thousand year" reign began in 30 CE and continues to this day (Revelation 1:6 / Revelation 5:10 / 1 Peter 2:9-13).
The "thousand year" reign is a mistranslation. The word chillio in the Grrek is a plural word (i.e. thousands).

Thus far we have been in the 1000's year reign / last days (1 John 1:18) for 1993 years give or take).

 

[trophy33]

The life expectancy for Israel in 2022 was 83.34 years, a 0.18% increase from 2021. 1930 is about the same time the Church age will be 2,000 years. Then we have the 1,000 year reign of Christ. (Third day)

Biblical "generation" does not mean a lifespan, though. "Generation witnessing something" are people who are already recognizing what is going on, not somebody just born.

 

[Diamond7]

Biblical "generation" does not mean a lifespan, though. "Generation witnessing something" are people who are already recognizing what is going on, not somebody just born.

Jesus is talking about the disciples and their generation. He starts of talking about the temple: " Matthew 24:2 “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

It is recorded in Matthew 15: 24 “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” All of this had to take place before the church age or the time of the Gentiles could begin. In their day and in their time.

 

[dfw69]

My thoughts on this..

We are not close to witnessing the end of days nor the return of Jesus nor the millennium

Timeline to judgment day -
False messianic age comes
Temple built
Sanhedrin established
Priesthood restored
Greater Israel built
Babylon rebuilt
False prophets come
False messiahs come
Talmud/Torah laws governing
Persecution against the Father and Son doctrine
Persecution against the belief in the return and reign of Jesus in Jerusalem
Peace and safety

Unknown revealing of Daniel 70th week and the fulfillments of Revelation
The signs
The judgement
The return

 

[Sorn]

My thoughts on this..

We are not close to witnessing the end of days nor the return of Jesus nor the millennium

Timeline to judgment day -
False messianic age comes
Temple built
Sanhedrin established
Priesthood restored
Greater Israel built
Babylon rebuilt
False prophets come
False messiahs come
Talmud/Torah laws governing
Persecution against the Father and Son doctrine
Persecution against the belief in the return and reign of Jesus in Jerusalem
Peace and safety

Unknown revealing of Daniel 70th week and the fulfillments of Revelation
The signs
The judgement
The return

Well, the next 10 yrs give or take will see the 2000 yr mark of the crucifixion and something may happen, some certainly do believe stuff will happen. Having said that, if the tribulation & then 1000yr period are to happen then by mid 2035 to 2040 then a lot of stuff needs to happen quickly over the next few years. Quite a few thought the Russian military opp was the start but very doubtful
Personally, i think the world will get to 2040 without much having changed, the current war will be over somehow but nothing much else.
So i also think it could be several decades and quite easily another 200 or 300 years before the tribulation starts.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Jesus didn't refer to "the generation that sees the return of Israel to her homeland".

He said "this generation". Jesus refers to things that were fulfilled in the lifetime of His original audience, most notably, the destruction of the Temple.

Jesus is also very clear that He returns when we don't know. Our Lord could return in ten minutes or ten thousand years. Since we do not know, and since when He comes He comes without warning, speculating is a useless thing to do.

The Lord will return when He returns.
Until then be a faithful servant.

-CryptoLutheran

Actually we know and we don't know when he will return. We know because it was revealed in Is. 61:1-2 -

“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn.

If you don't take ignorance as strength and do a little study on this, you'll find that the "acceptable year" is exclusively referring to a jubilee year, that's a year of liberty which fits the theme of this context; and the first day of a jubilee year is the day of atonement, the 10th of Tishri, and that is "day of vengeance of our God". Jesus quoted this passage in a synagogue assembly, he declared it was fulfilled that day, but he stopped at "the acceptable year of the Lord," and he didn't continue, you know why? Because the "day of vengeance" was reserved for his SECOND coming. That's how we know.

However, which year is this jubilee year? Which day is the day of atonement? Can you mark it on a calendar? Nobody knows because time has changed, therefore, we also don't know. But beware of all the signs of the end times, when you see those signs, you know it's NEAR. The conclusion is, you can get an estimate, but you don't know the precise date.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Well, the next 10 yrs give or take will see the 2000 yr mark of the crucifixion and something may happen, some certainly do believe stuff will happen. Having said that, if the tribulation & then 1000yr period are to happen then by mid 2035 to 2040 then a lot of stuff needs to happen quickly over the next few years. Quite a few thought the Russian military opp was the start but very doubtful
Personally, i think the world will get to 2040 without much having changed, the current war will be over somehow but nothing much else.
So i also think it could be several decades and quite easily another 200 or 300 years before the tribulation starts.

Yeah, I believe in the 6000-year millennialism, the last two mellennia started to count from the baptism of Jesus at age 30, which means we've only got 10-15 years left, depending on the exact year of his baptism.

 

[RileyG]

No one knows but God. We cannot make speculation, just remain faithful to his word.

 

[RileyG]

nearer today than yesterday.

Thanks be to God.