Third Temple comes from Ezekiel 40-47

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Isn't it clear that I see pre-exilic and exilic promises of coming back to the land as having their fulfillment in Ezra-Nehemiah and the coming of Christ? This is why I asked for post-exilic prophecies, I don't see need to seek for a new fulfilment as I see them gearing towards Christ the King of the Jews, national Israel is the Church, it's just that as pursuiant with other promises and prophecies the Nations are also added into the faithful community and the longing becomes the rest of God which is greater than the rest of the land. I'm not dismissing the prophecies, but in concordance with the New Testament hermeneutic see the prophecies being given and fulfilled in larger terms than what the Old Testament prophets thought or dreamed of. Or more plainly the Old Testament prophecies are shadows of the New Testament realities and second coming of Christ.

No, your position was not really clear to me, but I think I understand it now. If you read through Zechariah 8+, you will find repeated assertions of a Judah widely scattered, to all nations, finally regathered. You will also find the repeated notion of an amazing full restoration of Ephraim. Neither of these have happened. Zech 12 contains an impressive account of the world gathering against Judah, and of the Jewish national recognition of the Christ. Neither of these have yet happened. 14 describes Jerusalem being taken, God acting against its invaders, the city being split, and Judah there struggling amidst all this drama.

So, to answer your question, I think it is not any kind of a stretch to say that Zechariah (a post-exilic prophet) contains the same sort of themes and ideas as the pre-exilic prophets.

But beyond this, I strongly suggest going back to read Deut 28-30 (and 4), where Moses lays out a three age story for the Jews, "blessing", "curse", and "return". The curse ultimately involves national destructions, and a long, suffering, wandering exile to all nations, when Israel is hated and has no home. The details of this curse simply do not match the Babylonian exile. They do, however, match the Roman exile (the last 2000 years). Moses then goes on to describe a return from this curse, in which the Jew gets a circumcises heart and returns to the land, now loyal to God. These are not disconnected verses, but a linear story.
 
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Hagee has gone loco, totally off the reservation. His views do not represent what one finds in the Messianic, and as far as I can tell, do not represent dispensationalists generally.

In any case, nobody here seems to be arguing his position.

Because my wife and I supported his ministry at one time, it was extremely painful for us.

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Because my wife and I supported his ministry at one time, it was extremely painful for us.
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People change; sometimes they get strange ideas. I have seen this happen to friends.

I met Christ late in life -- in my mid-40's. All my friends go back to my childhood. A wise old Christian told me I would probably lose one or two of them because of Christ. I laughed (not to his face) -- I considered these guys brothers. A month later I was no longer laughing. I was sad and angry fellow. I still haven't quite gotten over that loss. It was a real shock.
 
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People change; sometimes they get strange ideas. I have seen this happen to friends.

I met Christ late in life -- in my mid-40's. All my friends go back to my childhood. A wise old Christian told me I would probably lose one or two of them because of Christ. I laughed (not to his face) -- I considered these guys brothers. A month later I was no longer laughing. I was sad and angry fellow. I still haven't quite gotten over that loss. It was a real shock.

Someone else said...

"If you want people to like you, tell them what they want to hear.

If you want them to hate your guts, tell them the truth."


The name-calling that occurs on this forum is proof that he was correct.
 
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Please correct me if I am wrong.
However, it is my understanding that many Dispensationalists teach that the age of Grace ends at the pretrib rapture and the Jews then go back to Law keeping.

Since none but Christ has ever kept the Law, how are they going to be saved without Grace?

It is my understanding, based on the New Testament, that Christ is the Temple.
We are also the temple, because the Holy Spirit dwells inside of us.


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It is very simple. They will not be saved until they actually trust in Jesus as their great Messiah. For at least the bulk of them, this will not happen until after Messiah returns in power and glory.
 
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It is very simple. They will not be saved until they actually trust in Jesus as their great Messiah. For at least the bulk of them, this will not happen until after Messiah returns in power and glory.

How do you get around the parable of the Bridegroom in Matthew chapter 25?

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How do you get around the parable of the Bridegroom in Matthew chapter 25?

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I find it difficult to comprehend that there is anything about that parable that would even pose a slight problem. What is it about it that you imagine we would even want to "get around"?
 
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When Messiah returns in power and glory, the cosmos is new. There's no Judaica phase to it.

There is no need for any more temples in the same sense that at the arrival of Judaism there was no need for any more pagan temples. Do you see? That's how the previous is displaced. It is called fulfilled. The meaning that pagan temples tried to frame up was then out-done by the "one, true temple." But now in Christ, the temples of Judaism are not needed. That is really the situation when Christ came. There is no redoing what he already superceded.
 
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There is no need for any more temples in the same sense that at the arrival of Judaism there was no need for any more pagan temples. Do you see? That's how the previous is displaced. It is called fulfilled. The meaning that pagan temples tried to frame up was then out-done by the "one, true temple." But now in Christ, the temples of Judaism are not needed. That is really the situation when Christ came. There is no redoing what he already superceded.

There is a need for God to return the Jew:
1. God said he would do it. God says he keeps his promises regardless of man's failings.
Deut 4: 30 When you are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the LORD your God and obey his voice. 31 For the LORD your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.

God must be true to himself.

2. The Jewish history told in prophecy is a story. It has not yet had its denoument. Prophecy tells us what this will be. This will be a victory and glory for God, and that too is part of this historical story. God's stories must end the way he said they would. If verse 31's promise of return is false, how can we be sure the story of our salvation won't change? What happens if it too suddenly becomes unnecessary? To me, this seems insulting to God.

3. Scripture is God's book, and it has to be true, all of it. And there is a lot of prophecy foretelling the Jew return after his "curse." If scripture is not all true, where are we? And where is God's honor?

4. Rationally speaking, there was never really any need of the Jew in the first place. Christ could have been born in Ur 4000 years ago. For some reason God chose to interweave the history of the Jew into his story of the salvation of mankind -- there was never any real need for it. If God's history upsets (or seems crazy to) us, we need to take it up with God.
 
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Please correct me if I am wrong.
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It is my understanding, based on the New Testament, that Christ is the Temple.
We are also the temple, because the Holy Spirit dwells inside of us.


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You are missing a few temples there. Those not made with hands, and the created temple of God [which is "set in the sun", in fact, as He says in His Word, in Psalm 18 [in the Hebrew language, the LXX; the Vulgate, and Douay Rheims], and the tabernacle Moses erected, and temple Solomon built, and rebuilt versions of it below.
If you count the tabernacle as one, and Solomon's temple as the second, and the rebuilt one as the third, and the remodeled version of it as still the third, then the next will be the fourth made with hands, and that one will come down, and the Ezekiel temple will be for the millennial reign.
So you can count them as the "not made with hands" temple, which Christ come in flesh is the Foundation Stone of the Second Temple made of human being living stones [Haggai 2, and etc..],

I believe the Dead Sea Scrolls temple plan will be the next temple built on earth, but I may be wrong about that...just my opinion. It has never been built and it is not the one Ezekiel describes.


Temples in Scripture:
1. There is Adam, the dead human being who was created to be a temple for the glory,
2 and the second temple, "Israel", God come in human being flesh as the Kinsman/Redeemer to the dead and corrupted and lost Adam.

3 The created temple set in the sun, where God's throne is


So two in Scripture are not made with hands, and were made so as to" build up Zion above" with" living stones" and "Plant the heavens".

Christ come in flesh as "The New Man", in the New Man name ["Israel" is that name [Isaiah 49; which He invoked over Jacob as a sign of the adoption of the flesh, which was to come and in His Name He will build up Zion above with the ransomed, adopted sons, re-clothed [with the new man flesh body] sons of God and "Plant the heavens".


You must understand that the Scriptures do teach, to him who studies it to see for themselves, that the first, "firstborn son of God", Adam, was created male and female with the seed in himself to multiply the Adam race as living stones/sons of God, for the building up of the temple of God/The City of God/Jerusalem above [personified as a Woman in Scripture], to whom the human being creation race was "married", spiritually, and subsequently divorced from, in the fall.

So the Foundation Stone of the second temple not made with hands is Laid in Zion when He was incarnated [Haggai chapter 2], and the second human being temple not made with hands is being built up with the living stones of the Atoned for seed of Adam, who are adopted into the Living Spirit, by regeneration of the spirit [born again in Spirit sons of God in Christ] and who await the promised Adoption of the flesh, which is regeneration of the body of flesh/born again flesh which will never corrupt, and which will be pillars in the temple not made with hands, "for the Glory", to "plant the heavens"

I have been interrupted a few times writing this, sorry for repeats...
 
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We are having a difficult time figuring out what Dispensationalists teach, because they cannot seem to agree themselves.

Pastor John Hagee teaches that the Jews do not need Christ, because they are still under the Old Covenant.

Dr. Tommy Ice says that John Darby discovered Dispensationalism and the pretrib doctrine while recovering from a riding accident in 1827.
Biblewriter says he got it from others, who wrote about it earlier.

Clarence Larkin and Lewis Sperry Chafer said that God has two separate peoples with two separate plans.
They said the Church was a "parenthesis" in the plan whose destination was heaven, while the Jews were God's earthly people.

Some teach that after the pretrib rapture of the Church, the age of Grace ends and the Jews will go back to the system of Law Keeping.

Most Dispensationalists claim that God now holds some special status with those who are descendants of Jacob.
However, when questioned about how this bloodline is to be determined, they have not been able to give an answer.

Even though Christ and the other New Testament writers fail to mention the land promise or a rebuilt manmade temple, Dispensationalists claim it is required based on the Old Testament.

Some Dispensationalists also claim, when it comes to the Jewish people, it is not finished.


Joh_19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYTEwt0oAd0


If you figure out what Dispensationalists really teach, please let the rest of us know.

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BAB2,

If the sources of where you get all your information about the bible is the reflection of your knowledge and belief about God and the gospel, you have a huge problem with your salvation.

Watch this video about the guy you're promoting. I can see why you're so lost from all the Youtube videos you're following and worshiping over the words directly from the bible.

Listen to all his derogatory remarks he makes after receiving just one letter in the mail asking him why he doesn't go to church. The guy makes a video and goes ballistic from just one letter.

~He hates God.
~He hates Christ.
~He hates the gospel.
~He hates Christians.
~He hates the Church.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfXung5anw

BAB2, this guy isn't lead by the Holy Spirit. He has several demonic spirits he's following. And you wanna follow this guy's teaching?
 
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When Messiah returns in power and glory, the cosmos is new. There's no Judaica phase to it.

This is a blatant denial of about a fifth to a forth of everything God has told us.
 
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BAB2,

If the sources of where you get all your information about the bible is the reflection of your knowledge and belief about God and the gospel, you have a huge problem with your salvation.

Watch this video about the guy you're promoting. I can see why you're so lost from all the Youtube videos you're following and worshiping over the words directly from the bible.

Listen to all his derogatory remarks he makes after receiving just one letter in the mail asking him why he doesn't go to church. The guy makes a video and goes ballistic from just one letter.

~He hates God.
~He hates Christ.
~He hates the gospel.
~He hates Christians.
~He hates the Church.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yfXung5anw

BAB2, this guy isn't lead by the Holy Spirit. He has several demonic spirits he's following. And you wanna follow this guy's teaching?

There is no wonder you have trouble understanding scripture at times, if you do not know the difference between a serious conversation and the parody of a letter someone sent to Jerry Johnson.

He clearly said at the end, that his tongue was in his cheek.

Do you not know what that means?

If you do not, maybe someone else here can explain it to you, since you would not believe me anyway.


 
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Ezekiel 40-47 describes a temple never yet built. What Ezekiel gives us, in fact, is an architectural plan.

Note that at this point Joseph (the northern kingdom) is destroyed. And the land boundaries have not existed as he describes them either in his time or since then. So this has to be a future temple.

Ezekiel 37 Says: "The Temple of Ezekiel parodies as a Future Temple when Joseph is Appointed over Judah" (Joseph is not Destroyed, when the "Lion of Judah, which is Joseph reigns, Ezekiel's Temple is Revealed as a Future Temple)

REVELATION 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
EZEKIEL 37:19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.
EZEKIEL 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
EZEKIEL 37:24 And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

When the "Great Tribulation" begins, and the "Temple Stones" fall from Heaven, the "Third Temple of Ezekiel" is revealed under Joseph. All the Separatist Inheritors* of a New Planet of their own are given their inheritance, and what constitutes Genetic Dan is also slain (Deu. 34:1-4, When you see the "Temple Stones") ... then only "Joseph and Judah" remains in the Planet Earth. In bold above, all the Tribes are removed from the Planet Earth, so that only "Joseph and Judah" remain.

Furthermore Ezekiel spends a great deal of space to do so. The only other real equivalent to these Ezekiel chapters are the detailed instructions for the construction of the ark and its environs. The idea that this is some kind of symbolic representation when it is so brutally practical is not tenable.

Ezekiel, all by himself, in 7 short chapters, eviscerates preterism. Ezekiel 40-47 cannot be explained by preterism; it can only be explained away.

Do you see the Heavenly Temple, Son of Man?

EZEKIEL 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; [and it was] a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
EZEKIEL 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen [this]? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.


When the "Temple Stones" of the Great Tribulation are revealed, then is Ezekiel 47:5-6 quoting Deu. 34:1-4 ... in which the "Future Temple of Ezekiel" is revealed in the name of Joseph at the "Great Tribulation" (of 42 Days).

In many ways Dispensationalists are being Judaisers when it comes to Jews.

Two Israels: Israel of the Flesh and Israel of the Promise

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(The promise was made to only one seed, Christ.)

Moses Smote the Rock, this was a picture of the "Water from the Heavenly Temple" being given to bring New Flesh and Blood, to the Bones of Joseph, which Moses had taken from Egypt. This was a picture of resurrection into the New Earth and New Universe. One House of Isreal, undivided. Therefore God, had refused Moses the ability to cross the Jordan River, because God did not intend to bring the "Heavenly Temple of Ezekiel" to the Planet Earth at that time, as he intends to do today, soon and as soon as 7/15/2015.

But beyond this, I strongly suggest going back to read Deut 28-30 (and 4), where Moses lays out a three age story for the Jews, "blessing", "curse", and "return". The curse ultimately involves national destructions, and a long, suffering, wandering exile to all nations, when Israel is hated and has no home. The details of this curse simply do not match the Babylonian exile. They do, however, match the Roman exile (the last 2000 years). Moses then goes on to describe a return from this curse, in which the Jew gets a circumcises heart and returns to the land, now loyal to God. These are not disconnected verses, but a linear story.

1. Word Blessing used 8 Times Total (Deu. 28:3-8) = 7 SEALS + 150 Days of Star Wormwood for Judah.
2. Word Cursing used 7 Times Total (Deu. 28:15-20) = 7 Vials Poured out during 150 Days of Star Wormwood for Judah.

The divisions in the descriptions of the "Blessings and Curses" in Deuteronomy 28, follows, the First Vial is poured out when the last 7th SEAL is opened, there is Silence in Heaven and the 7th Trumpet does not sound at this time, instead God utters a voice, and that voice raises the Antichrist to reign as King over Judah for 150 says of Judah's redemption into the New Universe, at which time, the SEAL between the Universes will largely be absent.

How do you get around the parable of the Bridegroom in Matthew chapter 25?.

God utters a voice, instead of blowing the 7th Trumpet when the 3 Days of Darkness is finished. (Rev. 11:12-15, Rev. 8:1)

MATTHEW 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
MATTHEW 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
MATTHEW 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

When the Great Tribulation of 42 Days begins, (40 Days of Jonah repeated, 40 Days of Jesus after resurrection repeated) ... The Antichrist is given a resurrected body to some degree ... this process is repeated when after the "3 Days of Darkness" is completed. So the "Midnight Cry" can be seen as happening two times. The first time is to end the "War of Judah" through a Migration Movement to the United States of America, the second time is to bring the remainder of human life in the United States of America into a New Planet of their own in the New Universe.

There is a need for God to return the Jew:

"There is no need for God to return the Jews"

As you've stated. God no longer has a reason anymore to keep Ephraim alive, or to allow it to enter into the "Great Tribulation", or Manasseh, or Naphtali ... or because of sin, death is given to Dan and his wife Aaron. Which is declared in Ezekiel 37:19-24/Rev. 5:5 as we've discussed. Billions of people will vanish, and the bodies of a multitude will be left behind, to encourage what remains of Judah to receive the life of the New Covenant, which is the Third Temple of Ezekiel.

Temples in Scripture:
1. There is Adam, the dead human being who was created to be a temple for the glory,
2 and the second temple, "Israel", God come in human being flesh as the Kinsman/Redeemer to the dead and corrupted and lost Adam.
3 The created temple set in the sun, where God's throne is

1. Jesus Spiritually (acted out with the crucifixion) was the First Temple Slain before the Foundation of the Earth
2. Adam Spiritually (but acted out with Abraham) was the Second Temple in which Satan was given Bodies of Flesh to be judged of the earth
3. Star Wormwood (but acted out when Moses Smote the Rock) the Third and final Temple that is yet to be revealed

The Third Temple is revealed with Moses's Glorified Body when the Great Tribulation begins, "Moses and Elijah" will stand before the earth.
 
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The most prominent feature of Millennial Israel will be its Temple, so in our search for an answer, let’s begin there. The Temple will have an outer court and an inner court. Each has gates facing East, North and South. Inside each inner gate is a room for preparing animal sacrifices (Ezek. 40:38-39), which will clearly be the order of the day during the Kingdom Age. There will be sacrifices for the year, the month, the week, and the day, in addition to those for the three remaining Levitical Feasts, Passover (bulls and goats but no lamb), Unleavened Bread, and Tabernacles. These are all discussed in detail in Ezekiel 45:13 – 46:15.

So now we know that animals will be sacrificed regularly through out the Millennium. They’ll be called sin offerings, guilt offerings and burnt offerings, just like in Leviticus. What Ezekiel didn’t discuss is why they’ll still be necessary. For that we have to look other places.
It’s The Law

First, a little review. The Old Testament sacrifices, though required, were only of benefit to those who understood their symbolic purpose. In Psalm 51:16-17 David wrote,

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.

Unless they were presented with the proper attitude, animal sacrifices were not pleasing to God. Men who offered sacrifices had to admit their fallen nature and believe that the animals they were offering symbolized a coming Redeemer who would one day restore them.

But over time the motive was forgotten and just the motions remained. In Isaiah 29:13 God said,

“These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.”

And in Isaiah 66:2-3 He explained just how repulsive the sacrifices are without contrition and faith, the only proper motives.

“This is the one I esteem: he who is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word. But whoever sacrifices a bull is like one who kills a man, and whoever offers a lamb, like one who breaks a dog’s neck; whoever makes a grain offering is like one who presents pig’s blood, and whoever burns memorial incense, like one who worships an idol.”

From these examples, it’s clear that Old Testament believers were required to offer sacrifices both as an admission of their sinfulness and of their belief that a Redeemer was coming to save them. While the Law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7) natural man cannot keep it. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by keeping the Law. Rather, through the Law we become conscious of sin. (Romans 3:20) The Law was given to teach us that we can’t meet its requirements and need a Savior to redeem us from its penalty. We can’t do it ourselves.
Then Comes Grace

The Age of Grace began at Pentecost and will end at the Rapture. This makes sense when you consider that in Ephesians 2:7 Paul said that through the Church God wants to demonstrate the incomparable riches of His grace in the ages yet to come. To accomplish this, He made our relationship with Him different than anyone else’s before or after. In Ephesians 3:8-10 Paul said that he was chosen by God to preach the unsearchable riches of Christ to the Gentiles. This was a mystery in the past, but God’s intent was that now, through the church, His manifold wisdom would be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realm. That means angels, both faithful and fallen, learn something of God’s wisdom by studying the Church.

So both the angels in Heaven and future generations of men on Earth will see in the Church the perfection of God’s love. In Ephes. 2:10 Paul called the Church God’s workmanship. The Greek word means to make something from something else. It’s used only twice in the New Testament and both times it describes the work of God as our Creator.

In our case, He took something worthless and made it into something priceless. He forgave all of our sins in advance, (Col. 2:13-15) making His pardon free for the asking (Matt. 7:7-8). When we ask, He begins from that moment on to see us as if we’re as righteous as He is, (2 Cor. 5:17,21) and guarantees our inheritance. (Ephes. 1:13-14) At the Rapture He’ll transform us to become in fact that which we already are is His sight. (1 Cor. 15:51-53) Then He’ll reward us with a portion of His inheritance (Gal. 4:7), and a seat with His Son in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come (Ephes. 1:20-21 & 2:6).

In the coming age, men on Earth will look up into the sky and see the New Jerusalem, home of the Church, in orbit nearby. It will be their source of light and though they’ll never be able to visit it, descriptions of its beauty and majesty will stagger their imaginations. All of creation will stand in awe of this display of the incomparable riches of God’s grace.

This is why the Church is God’s workmanship, not ours, and why the Bible is so clear on the fact that we can do nothing to earn or keep our salvation. In order to be the ultimate example of His grace, our salvation has to be 100% dependent on Him. Anything we do in an effort to help ourselves diminishes His workmanship. No other group in the history of man has deserved so little and been given so much, and that’s just the way He intended it.
Saved By Faith, Obedient To The Law






But that all comes to a crashing halt at the Rapture, because the Church Age didn’t end the Age of Law. It just interrupted it.






Even during Daniel’s 70th Week (the last 7 years of the Age of Law) it’s clear that life on Earth will be a lot more like it was in the Old Testament than it is in the New. For example, the Jews only need to build a Temple in order to conduct animal sacrifice. Their worship system requires it. Remember, in the middle of the 70th week the Abomination of Desolation will cause an end to the sacrifice and offering (Daniel 9:27). That means sacrifices will have begun again with the construction of the Temple, because they aren’t being done now.

In an earlier study, The Nature Of Post Church Salvation, I made the case that post Church believers, whether Jew or Gentile, will not enjoy the seal of the Holy Spirit as a guarantee of their inheritance. Eternal Security is a blessing for the Church alone and ends with the end of the Age of Grace at the Rapture. Two passages from Revelation illustrate this.

1. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God’s commandments and remain faithful to Jesus. (Rev. 14:12)

Speaking of the perilous times after the introduction of the Mark of the Beast, the Lord had John say that both obedience and faith will be required of Tribulation believers, whereas the Church is saved by grace through faith alone.

2. “Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed.” (Rev. 16:15)

When used symbolically, clothing always stands for righteousness. Note that it’s the Tribulation believer’s responsibility to maintain his righteousness. It’s not imputed to him solely by faith as ours is.

Immediately after the 2nd Coming, the Temple will be cleansed and on Earth animal sacrifice will begin again. The fact that there were animal sacrifices before the Church and there will be animal sacrifices after the Church shows that they were not eliminated forever when Jesus came, but only suspended during the Age of Grace.

In the Millennium, the people of Earth will once again offer sacrifices in admission of their fallen state, just like in the Old Testament, but now it will also be evidence of their belief that the Redeemer has come.

I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession. You will rule them with an iron scepter; you will dash them to pieces like pottery.”

Therefore, you kings, be wise; be warned, you rulers of the earth. Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. (Psalm 2:7-12)

So much for gentle Jesus meek and mild. And remember, in our recent study of Isaiah we saw that it won’t be just Israel that comes under the rule of the Lord, but the whole Earth.

In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and all nations (Gentiles) will stream to it. (Isaiah 2:2)

The word mountain is symbolic of government. All of Earth will be a theocracy with the Lord as King.

Many peoples will come and say, “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.” The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. (Isaiah 2:3)

The Hebrew word translated Law in verse 3 is Torah. So the Law being spoken of here is the Law of Moses, and all the world will have to comply.

He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isaiah 2:4)

This verse is often quoted in the context of peace. But it also means that there won’t be any United Nations or World Court. Nor will any nation have the sovereign right to contend with another. The Word of the Lord will be the Law on Earth and there won’t be any recourse. This will be the Lord’s “New World Order” and He won’t brook any alternatives.

Zechariah also gives us a glimpse of His Millennial rule.

Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, they will have no rain. If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The LORD will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. (Zechariah 14:16-19)
But Why?

Seeing the emphasis given to the Law both before and after the Church only serves to underscore the the Lord’s declaration that He didn’t come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it. (Matt. 5:17)



So, animal sacrifices have been suspended during the Church Age to demonstrate the extent of God’s grace. But our study of the Millennium shows that they weren’t eliminated forever. Here’s why.




When the Church studies Israel we see that man came to believe He didn’t need a Savior. He thought that keeping the Law and offering the sacrifices were sufficient payment for his sin, even though the Old Testament doesn’t teach that. When Millennial believers study the Church they’ll see that being freed from the Law and its sacrifices slowly took away our distaste for sin, allowing us to become far too comfortable in its presence, even though the New Testament doesn’t teach that either.

It seems like natural man needs both. Maybe, like Israel, he needs a strict application of God’s Law and the bloody, barbaric ritual that comes from his failure to keep it so he never forgets the awful consequences of sin. And maybe, like the Church, he needs to know for sure that God sent a Savior to do for him what he cannot do for himself. And that’s to save him from those consequences.

In Israel God demonstrated the perfection of His Law. In the Church He showed us the incomparable riches of His Grace. In the Millennium, the people of Earth will experience both simultaneously. You can almost hear the Footsteps of the Messiah.
 
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Look how much land the prince of Ezekiel 45 owns just that little sliver in Israel so we know that prince isn't David because david owns the whole world according to Psalms 2. It is not Davids place but the rightful owner the other witnesses the priestly witness or as many bible translations translate the word high Preist: Prince of Priests which will be the title of the 2nd witness that was raised after 3.5 days with David


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Ezekiel 45:6 "And ye shall appoint the possession of the city five thousand broad, and five and twenty thousand long, over against the oblation of the holy portion: it shall be for the whole house of Israel . (7) And a portion shall be for the prince on the one side and on the other side of the oblation of the holy portion…"







Notice in verse seven the prince only receives a tiny portion of land. Is this the land for David, the King over all the earth? Psalms 2 clearly states that the David will inherit the entire earth, not just a small parcel of land in the nation of Israel :

Psalms 2:6 “Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. (7) I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
(8) Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
 
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Jon Anon: I like your thinking, though I disagree with your some of your conclusions. But clearly you have read deeply, you are alive to what is actually in scripture, and seek to makes sense of it. People often seem to prefer doctrine to scripture, and confronted with scripture not fitting their doctrine, they choose the doctrine. Doing so is easier and simpler.

You have pointed out something subtle and true in the OT (the complicated relation between the heart of the sacrificer and the act of sacrifice), something which according to a lot of doctrine, can't really be true. And yet it is stated in black and white. It is something which cannot wholly be fitted into either the dispensationlist doctrine or the preterist doctrine. God usually doesn't fit our doctrines very well, and most doctrine was formulated to make explanation easy. As such it, it is always a simplification, and simplification is always implicit in the idea of doctrine. But small minds quickly forget this (if they ever knew it), and soon mistake doctrine for reality. Doctrine is a tool, but it is a dangerous one, and apt to turn against its wielder; worse still, the wielder frequently never realizes this. Nevertheless doctrine remains necessary.

I look forward to more posts from you.
 
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Barean: Jon Anon is speaking of utterances of God from the OT. Don't you think them curious verses, worth examining?

To me they speak to the fact that the Law was never capable of salvation. And of course there are parts of the Law that are literally impossible for us to keep: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.
I also suspect that it is related to Christ's work, which is sometimes spoke of as something from outside time.

Actually, I don't think the NT addresses these particularly verses. But the OT verses themselves are from canonical books. If you are making the point that this discussion is of little use (no use, actually) when witnessing to the lost, I'll agree with you. But anything which comes from the mouth of God is interesting and worth examining. Sometimes it sheds new and unsuspected light on something we "already knew". I find this to be one of the delights of our God. On the surface there is great simplicity. The Gospel is simple. But look into it, live it, and we find out it is a lot more complicated than it first appeared. Or at least the Gospel's intersection with the topography of life is complicated and many-hued. I was shocked and surprised -- I thought belief would simplify, but I was wrong. It complicates everything. This complication is actually an enrichment. So I am not surprised to find that age of the law, and the age of grace are not hermetically sealed from each other. In a way, this is a sizable dent in dispensationalism's armor -- so you should be happy. :)

God bless!
 
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