Interracial marriages on the rise, but social stigmas persist

William67 said:

He confused our tongues and scattered us to the ends of the earth. Even evolutionists realize that we were once one people, that we then "migrated" around the planet.

If God had just changed our pigmentation, most wouldnt have scattered because they would have still been able to speak to each other. So, God first confused our tongues and then scattered us, thereby creating the "races".

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Uh huh. So what are these "races" then? They can't be anything like how we conceive of race, because there are plenty of groups of people who live near one another and who share plenty of physical characteristics (i.e. part of the same "race" as it's commonly thought) that speak completely unrelated languages.

Of course, the Tower of Babel story didn't actually happen, but even if it did, I've never heard this idea that it's where races were separated.

Oafman said:

50% is terrible.

SummerMadness said:

I personally think it's too low, but it's higher despite the prejudices and bigotry that still exist in this country, that has to stand for something. But even with that percentage, the sad thing to me is people will say, "There's nothing wrong with interracial marriage, but I would never marry someone of a different race." I find that attitude mind boggling.

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If I ever get married, I'll most likely marry a white woman just based on the fact that most people I know are white, however I would have absolutely no problem marrying someone who isn't white. I have two friends who are biracial and the fact hardly ever crosses my mind.

MachZer0 said:

How is an interracial marriage good for America?

blueapplepaste said:

I would tend to agree. I think any marriage between two loving people is good for America. Why should skin color really matter whether it's good for America or not.

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I think the bigger question at here is how is an interracial marriage bad for America?

Creech said:

Personally I am very uncomfortable with this, especially in the United States. I believe it partly destroys the uniqueness of cultures and peoples.

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In my opinion, there's nothing tastier than a melting pot.

KarateCowboy said:

Gentrification. I think that's the word they use for it.

If you went by the historical definition of "race", then virtually all Americans are of mixed race, and the products of inter-racial marriages. Anyone who is part Polish or Russian, but also Italian, or English, or Scottish, is mixed race. This gentrification is so powerful that it has altered our very idea of race.

Belk said:

Uh, no.

Gentrification is a shift in an urban community toward wealthier residents and/or businesses and increasing property values

Gentrification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the word you are looking for is homogenization.

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Gentrification can certainly cause racial change, but it is primarily an economic situation. A working class neighborhood can become one full of unaffordable luxury homes without changing its racial demographics.

YeShallTread said:

Indeed...nor is it racist to recognize that there are various races (some folks tend to want to ignore the elephant in the room by saying he isn't there, as if that would nullify what one sees). If one isn't racist why then can we not simply recognize races as...what we are....various races? As Popeye said, "I am what I am and that's all what I am." And we all are what we am.



Why then, is it considered racism to believe the various races should remain...the various races and in the words of God, "let the earth bring forth every living creature after it's kind."

SummerMadness said:

You are projecting racist views on the Bible. There is no difference in "kind" for humans of different skin colors. There is no such thing as race in the Bible.

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Agreed. If the races should stay separate, why did Jesus hang out with that Samaritan woman?

CaDan said:

They produce a babby. We assign a race to the babby.

That was the point of the Racial Integrity Act--to assign races.

(obligatory "How is babby formed?")

YeShallTread said:

LOL. We assign what they are? Races came about with the "racial integrity act?" Sorry...God created mankind and said it was very good long before the integrity act.

As for "babby" being formed...how old are you?

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Well, I certainly get the reference.

Jeffwhosoever said:

I hope all Christians realize that one day when our bodies are resurrected that most likely we'll be the same skin color as we are today on this Earth. You might as well lose your prejudices, because you will be with those of every different skin color and race in Heaven one day, maybe not too far off.

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CaDan said:

Undisputed. 'Cause, like, they were here before Columbus started killing them.

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That is a rather juvenile reply and offers nothing to the thread.

YeShallTread said:

That is a rather juvenile reply and offers nothing to the thread.

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nothing except truth.

William67 said:

When the Europeans arrived, the Cherokee occupied a territory that extended from western Tennessee to the mid Carolinas, south from Alabama/Georgia north to Kentucky/Virginia/West Virginia. They were the largest tribe east of the Mississippi.

Native Americans are said to have arrived in North America about 15,000 years ago. Long before the time of Moses.

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I didn't remember the Cherokee being that large a nation. Thank you for your knowledge on this. Undoubtedly those we refer to as the American tribes were here long before any others. As for the time frame of 15,000 years...if true, as I believe it to be..it lets us know that the 6,000 year time frame for the creation of man isn't valid as many read it in Genesis, although the account is true!

TLK Valentine said:

That's easy -- I don't think He did.

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If The Creator did not create mankind...who did? Or, if you're saying He did not create the variety within man...how did it come about?

But if He had -- who doesn't enjoy a little variety?

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The variety is found in the races He created. He created us and said "it is very good", He set boundaries, He gave us rules to live by...should then man, in all his hubris, play God?

There's a big difference between "very good," and "do not improve upon."

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Is it improvement to change what He has created? If, as I read it, His stamp of approval was placed on His creation...should then man think to improve it? Hubris at it's finest.

Redac said:

Uh huh. So what are these "races" then? They can't be anything like how we conceive of race, because there are plenty of groups of people who live near one another and who share plenty of physical characteristics (i.e. part of the same "race" as it's commonly thought) that speak completely unrelated languages.

Of course, the Tower of Babel story didn't actually happen, but even if it did, I've never heard this idea that it's where races were separated.

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First, for centuries people thought the city of Troy was a myth, until it was found. There are numerous sites in western asia that could be construed as "towers". Remember, our idea of a tower and iron or bronze age man's idea of a tower are probably two different things. Anything over 70 meters could have been seen as a "tower to heaven".

Then explain how languages in western Europe and languages in the middle east can belong to the same linguistic family? Indo-European.

Whether or not youre a Christian, a race is a genetically driven set of physical characteristics. It is widely known that people living at the equator have darker skin pigmentation. The darker pigmentation helps them live in areas exposed to higher levels of solar radiation. Larger noses and tight curly hair help with heat regulation.

In areas with less exposure, you have lighter pigmentation, which allows more sunlight to be absorbed. This aids whites in production of vitamin-D, IIRC. Straight hair and smaller nostrils help with heat retention in cold climates.

Genetic variation can occur in just a handful of generations, even among vertebrates. It had been known that this could occur among lower life forms for quite some time. It was discovered by the Russians in the 1950's that "evolution" could occur in mammals very quickly. Russians began trying to breed a more docile fox for their fur industry. Docile animals were bred while any animal showing signs of aggression were killed. After only a few generations, the breeders noticed that the "yip" that foxes normally make began to sound like a dogs bark. Their normally uniform color of their pelts became mottled. Even the size and shape of their teeth changed. Basically, the foxes were turning into another breed of domesticated dog.

So, it wouldnt really be a surprise that after God confused our tongues and sent us all to different parts of the world, that we would have adapted to the environments along the way.

And you do know that a forensic pathologist can tell someones racial makeup by examining the shape of the skull, brow ridges, teeth, etc?

YeShallTread said:

I didn't remember the Cherokee being that large a nation. Thank you for your knowledge on this. Undoubtedly those we refer to as the American tribes were here long before any others. As for the time frame of 15,000 years...if true, as I believe it to be..it lets us know that the 6,000 year time frame for the creation of man isn't valid as many read it in Genesis, although the account is true!

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To God, a thousand years is as a day and a day is as a thousand years. Meaning, linear time is irrelevant to God.

Scientists have also said that the Earth's rotation has sped up and slowed down over its history and that it has been closer and farther out than our current orbit.

blueapplepaste said:

So you think that two people of different races getting married and producing a child is changing what He created?

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In nature this does not happen for God said "seed was in itself, after his kind," but if within the same species...an olive tree was spliced to a fig tree...what would the fruit be? If within the same species a lion mated with a tiger...what would the offspring be? A giant liger. Mutations, sterile offspring, sterile fruit trees that cannot reproduce themselves. Yes, different races produce a child that is no longer either race but is a mix. Is it a sin? That is the question the parents should ask. I do know that if God considers it a sin that the child is not held responsible:

Those are different species. Unless you want to try to argue that races of people are different species???

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There are different species and within the various species are various races or types. Same with humans as with animals. One species and variety within them. How wonderful to acknowledge what He has created.

TLK Valentine said:

Actually, that has to do with language, not race.

And if that were the case, does that mean it would be a sin to learn a second language?

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We were never "all one people" although we were all human. We shall be all one people in Christ.


If I had to compare learning a second language to this topic I would liken it to shaking hands, enjoying the company of, learning from and teaching....those of various races. To love one another in the family of God or to learn various languages is always good. This has nothing to do with interracial marriage.

TLK Valentine said:

Actually, I think I'll rephrase it:

Is a god who is so petty as to demand that his "chosen" people stay away from others on account of the superficial physical differences which, according to you, he himself created, a god worthy of worship?

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Second guessing God or giving Him instructions or changing His great plan or criticizing Him is a rather dangerous road to travel.

Facts are:

SummerMadness said:

Fig trees and olive trees are not the same species, lions and tigers are not the same species, humans with different skin colors are the same species, you're arguing a concept incorrectly to support a racist idea. That's the problem with racism and science, they are not compatible or correct in any way.

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Figs and olives are both fruit trees.

Lions and tigers are both feline.

Asian, Caucasian, Black, etc are all human.

William67 said:

Whether or not youre a Christian, a race is a genetically driven set of physical characteristics. It is widely known that people living at the equator have darker skin pigmentation. The darker pigmentation helps them live in areas exposed to higher levels of solar radiation. Larger noses and tight curly hair help with heat regulation.

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In areas with less exposure, you have lighter pigmentation, which allows more sunlight to be absorbed. This aids whites in production of vitamin-D, IIRC. Straight hair and smaller nostrils help with heat retention in cold climates.

No, they don't. Whites around me here in Texas tolerate the heat much, much, much better than I do. Heck, they glory in the sun. Whatever theoretical differences skin color might make, they are totally overcome by individual variation.

White people have lived in Africa for generations, black people have lived in Nordic countries for generations. Their DNA will not have changed a single iota toward being black or white.

Stake me and a Bavarian out on a glacier, and we will die within minutes of each other. Bury either of us in a Sahara sand dune, and we will die within minutes of each other.

Genetic variation can occur in just a handful of generations, even among vertebrates. It had been known that this could occur among lower life forms for quite some time. It was discovered by the Russians in the 1950's that "evolution" could occur in mammals very quickly. Russians began trying to breed a more docile fox for their fur industry. Docile animals were bred while any animal showing signs of aggression were killed. After only a few generations, the breeders noticed that the "yip" that foxes normally make began to sound like a dogs bark. Their normally uniform color of their pelts became mottled. Even the size and shape of their teeth changed. Basically, the foxes were turning into another breed of domesticated dog.

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I'm familiar with that, but canines are canines. That's not "evolution" that's merely the variation of breeding. That's not environmental adaptation, that's breeding. Any dog breeder could tell you that.

So, it wouldnt really be a surprise that after God confused our tongues and sent us all to different parts of the world, that we would have adapted to the environments along the way.

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That's not environmental adaptation, that's breeding.

And you do know that a forensic pathologist can tell someones racial makeup by examining the shape of the skull, brow ridges, teeth, etc?

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Evidently this seems significant to you.

SummerMadness said:

The reason why I say 100% is that everyone should recognize that the trend of people of differing races marrying is a good thing for American society considering that 50 years ago, such unions were outlawed. Some call this progress, I call this fewer Americans being crazy enough to believe in white supremacy.

Agreed, I don't think conservatism has anything to with support or opposition to interracial marriage. However, if there were a poll taken, I am pretty sure more people that self-identify with political conservatism would be against interracial marriage.

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Nobody has adequately explained why it is good for America. What difference would it make if people chose to marry interracially or chose not to?

YeShallTread said:

Figs and olives are both fruit trees.

Lions and tigers are both canines.

Asian, Caucasian, Black, etc are all human.

seed after his kind...whose seed was in itself​

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Fruit trees is not a species.
Lions and tigers are both felines. Felines is not a species.
Human is a species.

MachZer0 said:

Nobody has adequately explained why it is good for America. What difference would it make if people chose to marry interracially or chose not to?

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Because it's the American way. We care the melting pot after all.

YeShallTread said:

Second guessing God or giving Him instructions or changing His great plan or criticizing Him is a rather dangerous road to travel.

Facts are:

1. There are His chosen people
2. God did instruct them to not marry outside their tribes
3. God is worthy of worship
4. God did create man...even those that think Him petty.
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Yet, there is a Canaanite woman in the lineage of Jesus.

The Law of Moses never forbade persons outside the twelve tribes from becoming Jews by practice and intermarrying freely among the blood descendents of Abraham. It was always clearly about religion.