Interracial marriages on the rise, but social stigmas persist

[CaDan]

Indeed. We are all human. What does that have to do with interracial marriages. If all humans were of one race we wouldn't be having this conversation...would we?

If our ancestors had not constructed race to support White Supremacy, we would not be having this discussion.

 

[YeShallTread]

So what, in your opinion, does God say on the topic of interracial marriage?

Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Ezra 10:10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.

Nehemiah 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

Now, before any husbands step forward saying...lots of wives are strange LOL...understand that "strange" in the above means foreign.
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Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see My glory.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

As humanity was divided into nations, tongues, etc. BY GOD, then where is it written they are to mix?





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[Belk]

Gentrification. I think that's the word they use for it.

If you went by the historical definition of "race", then virtually all Americans are of mixed race, and the products of inter-racial marriages. Anyone who is part Polish or Russian, but also Italian, or English, or Scottish, is mixed race. This gentrification is so powerful that it has altered our very idea of race.

Uh, no.

Gentrification is a shift in an urban community toward wealthier residents and/or businesses and increasing property values

Gentrification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the word you are looking for is homogenization.

 

[YeShallTread]

If our ancestors had not constructed race to support White Supremacy, we would not be having this discussion.

Our ancestors didn't construct the various races. God created us.

Not long ago I saw a tag line that really made me laugh. I'm paraphrasing but it said, "The slur of racist is what others throw in the mix when they can't answer something." True and right on point.

 

[YeShallTread]

Must be the way I view race, but arguing against interracial marriages is like arguing against lefthanded people marrying right handed or brunettes marrying red heads.

..which I am against.. creepy gingers...

Too funny. "Creepy gingers," I'll have to tell that one to my niece...red-headed and freckle faced.

 

[YeShallTread]

Actually, if more people realized that we were of one race, we wouldn't need this conversation... see the difference?

We can't make something go away by saying we are all of one race when we aren't. Thankfully, we can all be one in Christ. That is the goal in this lifetime...or so I believe.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Ezra 10:10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.

Nehemiah 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

Now, before any husbands step forward saying...lots of wives are strange LOL...understand that "strange" in the above means foreign.
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Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see My glory.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;


Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

As humanity was divided into nations, tongues, etc. BY GOD, then where is it written they are to mix?





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Why do you keep using a verse about plants in your argument?
You do realize Jewish culture didn't mix in ancient middle east because God wanted them to retain spiritual purity right? The foreign wives would have compromised their spiritual purity. It was the exact same problem that led God to exile them in the first place. Christ's new covenant changed all that.

if anything as a christian, we should have some beef marrying non-christians, as this has the potential of damaging our faith.

You're going to make me throw out my galations 2:8 card aren't you?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Yeshalltread. You are confusing cultures with race. They are not one in the same.

 

[YeShallTread]

Ruth was a Moabite, not a Hebrew . . . .

Yet, she says to her mother-in-law, "Where you go I will go, and where you stay I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God. Where you die I will die, and there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me, be it ever so severely, if even death separates you and me."

Yet, she marries Boaz.

Yet, she is the great-grandmother of David and, through him, the ancestor of your Lord and Savior.

Is Jesus of Nazareth--the very Word of God, the Alpha and the Omega--a mixed-race mongrel and the product of a marriage of which God does not approve?

You are mistaken on a few key points. Ruth was of Moab and therefore was a Hebrew (being of Lot, nephew of Abraham). She was not an Israelite for she was not of Isaac and Jacob.

Our Saviour's earthly lineage is directly from Adam and Eve to Mary. No mixes on the way.

 

[YeShallTread]

Yeshalltread. You are confusing cultures with race. They are not one in the same.

No. I'm aware of what the various races are.

 

[SummerMadness]

Saying there isn't race when one has eyes to clearly see race is rather silly and slightly obnoxious. Apparently you believe there is a problem with the various races...otherwise why not simply recognize what is before you.

Race is not real, it's a social construct. We also have different hair color, people don't separate groups based on that despite it also being determined my melanin content. I'm a product of "race mixing" and guess what, there's nothing wrong with it; I'm not sterile, I hold a doctoral degree, and I certainly am a lot more educated and successful than the people that seek to maintain segregationist ideas.

Which "concept" is that?

The concept of race (without quotes).

Have you read the Old Testament for it was before the life of Christ.

I don't know why you bring up the Old Testament, did you want me to cite the years that race appeared after that text? I chose Jesus because he existed in the most recent biblical era. The concept of race arrived over 1500 years later.

There is "foolish racism." Always has been and probably always will be but that has nothing to do with this topic. Segregation needed to be done away with...that has nothing to do with interracial marriage.

It is indeed related. Whether it's legal or self-imposed segregation, saying there is something wrong with interracial marriage is a racist idea. That's not being said to shutdown conversation, that is being truthful about the statements being made.

Without even being about the subject, I notice the mention of welfare and handouts, which is obviously a reference to attack black people when interracial marriage is more than black and white (however, this appears to cause the most ire among segregationists).

 

[YeShallTread]

Why do you keep using a verse about plants in your argument?
You do realize Jewish culture didn't mix in ancient middle east because God wanted them to retain spiritual purity right? The foreign wives would have compromised their spiritual purity. It was the exact same problem that led God to exile them in the first place. Christ's new covenant changed all that.

if anything as a christian, we should have some beef marrying non-christians, as this has the potential of damaging our faith.

You're going to make me throw out my galations 2:8 card aren't you?

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

1. We are all one IN CHRIST JESUS. We are then one spiritually but we are not all one race.

2. We should have a beef in marrying non-Christians if they despise God and will not consider becoming a child of God...the One True God!

3. The new covenant didn't change God's Words. Only one seeks to change God's laws:

Words of Christ:
Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Prophesy concerning Satan:
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
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4. The argument with "plants" is one in which I ask you to see the meaning figuratively. What does "earth, seed, trees" etc. symbolize? A clue:

Isaiah 55:12 For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
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[TLK Valentine]

Genesis 1:12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Good thing humans aren't plants.

Ezra 10:10 And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel.

Nehemiah 13:27 Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives?

Now, before any husbands step forward saying...lots of wives are strange LOL...understand that "strange" in the above means foreign.​

Indeed -- although my experience has been that all wives are strange...

So that's a pretty good incentive for Jews not to marry non-Jews -- how about us Gentiles?

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Isaiah 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see My glory.

...just so long as they don't marry; gotta keep 'em separate for some reason...

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Again, don't want them to get together before that... why?

Genesis 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

As humanity was divided into nations, tongues, etc. BY GOD, then where is it written they are to mix?​

That's you talking, not God.​

 

[TLK Valentine]

1. We are all one IN CHRIST JESUS. We are then one spiritually but we are not all one race.

Sounds like race is irrelevant -- so why keep them separate?

2. We should have a beef in marrying non-Christians if they despise God and will not consider becoming a child of God...the One True God!

Again, sounds like race is irrelevant.

 

[YeShallTread]

Good thing humans aren't plants.

You'd be surprised.

Indeed -- although my experience has been that all wives are strange...

Haha...I knew that one was coming.

So that's a pretty good incentive for Jews not to marry non-Jews -- how about us Gentiles?

You shouldn't lump all of Israel into the Jew category. Jews are of Israel but not all Israel are Jews. As for Gentiles...I believe the verses quoted show that the nations were divided as they were to be divided and that speaks of Gentiles.

...just so long as they don't marry; gotta keep 'em separate for some reason...

I didn't write it. Nor have I interpreted it. I simply quoted.

Again, don't want them to get together before that... why?

He created the diversities and what God hath created...let no man (oh wait, that sounds like part of a wedding ceremony). Well, you get the picture.

That's you talking, not God.

No. Just asking a question that pertains to His Words. Can you answer it?

 

[Creech]

How does interracial marriage reduce diversity? If you have chocolate, vanilla, and strawberry ice cream, selling chocolate swirl and neapolitan don't reduce your offerings, they add to it.

Neapolitan or swirls are different icecreams living side by side. This would not be a good metaphor because strawberry is still strawberry, vanilla is still vanilla, etc.

 

[stamperben]

Indeed. We are all human. What does that have to do with interracial marriages. If all humans were of one race we wouldn't be having this conversation...would we?

Uhhh... Ever heard of the HUMAN race?

 

[[serious]]

Neapolitan or swirls are different icecreams living side by side. This would not be a good metaphor because strawberry is still strawberry, vanilla is still vanilla, etc.

Not to worry then! The KITLG and ASIP genes will remain distinct and living side by side in our cells even if rs642742 is present in someone with rs6058017.

The neapolitan side by side but still able to be separated to just vanilla, chocolate, and strawberry is EXACTLY how genes work. Look up independent assortment.

 

[[serious]]

Uh, no.

Gentrification is a shift in an urban community toward wealthier residents and/or businesses and increasing property values

Gentrification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the word you are looking for is homogenization.

I assume he's approaching it from a perspective of "Irish became white when they entered the middle class" perspective. There is certainly an argument to be made there.

 

[Joykins]

Indeed. We are all human. What does that have to do with interracial marriages. If all humans were of one race we wouldn't be having this conversation...would we?

Someone said that race was "organic."

Anyway, on a biological level, all "races" are one species--human. You could do away with a sociological race in a generation if you wanted to.

Just like there are a bunch of dog breeds, and also mutts.