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Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Rev 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 1
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 9
9 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
Now see if you can figure out what is happening when the stars fall from heaven.
We are going in circles. Yes, of course A STAR turns out to be an ANGEL.
But don't be silly: Are ALL "stars" angels?
Revelation 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
These are REAL stars, not angel stars. You have destroyed the chronology of Revelation in your theories. What does or will it take to make or create the days of great tribulation that Jesus spoke of - that will be greater than any tribulation at any other time on earth - even greater than 6 million Jews that were put to death?
1) It will take a man - a man like Hitler - who will turn into a beast.
2) It will take a demonic spirit possessing such a man...or the devil Himself.
3) It will take Satan allowing this man control over the entire planet.
4) It will take God allowing such a thing to happen.
5) It will take the enforced worship of something or someone NOT GOD to create GREAT PRESSURE on God's people.
Paul tells us that the man of sin will enter the temple and declare that he is God. John tells us there will be such a temple in Jerusalem.
Rev. 11:1-3 shows us that this man of sin enters Jerusalem 3 1/2 days before the abomination will take place. But he does not come alone, he brings a Gentile army with him. So John wrote that the city of Jerusalem would be trampled for 42 months. Because he arrived, God sends His two prophets to Jerusalem. They will arrive probably moments after the man of sin arrived. So now John is setting the stage for the days of great tribulation. We need Satan to pull this off. Where is Satan?
In chapter 12, John tells us that Satan is cast down from heaven, loosing his wings, so to speak. And immediately he goes after the woman - those in Judea who have seen the abomination and are fleeing - exactly as Jesus told them to. Note this casting down is at the MIDPOINT of the week, not the beginning, and not at the end. Trying to align this verse with the 6th seal is ERROR. Remember Judas went out and hung himself. Go thou and do likewise. Be of good cheer for this is the will of the Father concerning you.....these are all scripture but NOT MEANT to be put together. Put together they give WRONG DOCTRINE. We must be WISE in what scriptures we put together. We must know if God is talking about REAL stars or Angel stars.
Next, John sees the Beast. It will be the very same man of sin Paul spoke of, but without a doubt, possessed by Satan himself. God has given this Beast 42 months of authority. A second beast arrives, to perform false miracles - but ONLY when he is in close proximity to the Beast - proving that Satan has possessed the Beast.
John then tells us this Beast and False Prophet will set up an IMAGE and force people to worship this image. They will establish a MARK without which no one will be able to buy or sell. Now we have all that is needed for days of Great tribulation.
As an aside, John as developed 5 parallel lines of time from the midpoint to the end of the week; two written as 1260 days, two written as 42 months and one written as 3 1/2 years. TWO of these are written differently than the others, in that John takes a side journey off his main timeline as a parenthesis - following that specific timeline to the end of the allotted time. The first time he does this is in chapter 11 with the two witnesses: they show up moments after the man of sin enters Jerusalem. John shows us this in verse 3. However, unlike the 42 months of trampling, John takes us on a side journey, written as a parenthesis, down the entire 1260 days of the two witnesses. These 1260 days will cover the same time as the 42 months of trampling, as the 1260 days of fleeing, as the 3 1/2 years of protection and finally as the 42 months of authority. After John finishes this side journey, he is right back at the midpoint to sound the 7th trumpet and finish chapter 11. Many don't recognize this (verses 4-13) as a parenthesis so their chronology is all mixed up.
John does the same thing in chapter 13: he takes us on a SIDE journey with a parenthesis, going down the 42 month timeline of the Beast and False prophet, showing us much of what they will do during THEIR 42 months. So we find out that sometime in their 42 months they will erect an image and force people to worship it, and establish a mark and force all to receive it. What John does not tell us is how long into the 42 months these things will take place. Chapter 13 is a MIDPOINT chapter, and the 42 months written will begin close to the midpoint of the week. But the rest of the chapter is written as a parenthesis, taking us down the path of the two beasts late into the week. Finally, in chapter 14, John ends the parenthesis of the beast and false prophet is snaps RIGHT BACK to the midpoint of the week, of very shortly after the midpoint. So when John begins chapter 14, he is some little time after the midpoint, and certain BEFORE the image and mark have been created.
Then John shows us an angel flying to warn about taking the mark. Another proof that John in his narrative is still BEFORE the image and mark have been established. But then in chapter 14 and 15, John tells us that they HAVE BEEN established and are being enforced, and saints are being killed. In other words, the days of "great tribulation" that Jesus spoke of have now begun. WHERE? Right after the angel warns people about the mark in chapter 14.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
So John is telling us that the days of great tribulation have begun. Does this fit Mat. 24? Of course it does.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
The abomination took place in Rev. 11 and the 7th trumpet sounded in heaven to mark that event. Seconds later we see those in Jude fleeing: Rev 12:6. In chapter 13 the Beast arrives and begins the days of great tribulation.
John then sees many martyred saints in heaven.
15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
So now, by chapter 15, the days of GT are in FULL SWING; millions are being martyred. However, Jesus also said:
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
So in 15:2 the murdering and days of GT are at their peak and it is time for God to shorten those days. HOW will He do this?
15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
God wills shorten those days by pouring out the vials with the associated plagues. In chapter 16 the vials are poured out. How far is John now into the last 42 months? We don't know, because John has not told us. If I were to guess, it would be more than half way through the 42 months. Finally the 7th vial ENDS the 70th week of Daniel. But Jesus has not yet returned, and the Beast has not been captured. Chapters 17 and 18 show how God will return to Jerusalem what she, the great city has given to the world: the greatest deception ever and the murder of untold millions of believers.
Finally, in chapter 19 - Jesus STILL in heaven - the marriage and supper will take place. This marriage had to wait for the 7th vial when ALL the Old Testament saints arise. They will be the guests. Finally, AFTER the marriage and supper, Jesus and the armies of heaven will descend on white horses to the battle of Armageddon. Does this fit Mat. 24? Of course it does.
23 Then [during the days of great tribulation] if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
So we see Jesus returning to earth with great glory, where all SEE Him. Of course they will see: it has been total darkness on the earth for days, and suddenly the sky is lit up by the glory of HIS COMING. Make no mistake: this coming in Matt. 24 is the VERY SAME coming as shown in Rev. 19. But are JUST AFTER the days of great tribulation.
However, some get SIDETRACKED or DERAILED because John did not write about the SIGNS in the sun and moon and stars in Rev. 19. True, he did not see those signs so did not write about them. HOWEVER, Matthew did and Mark did, so we know they will happen JUST BEFORE Jesus returns on the white horse.
It is silly then to imagine yet another coming. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all tell us that His coming will be just after the days of great tribulation, which Rev. shows us will be in chapters 14-16 - with His coming shortly after in chapter 19. Why then would anyone want to add yet another coming? There is much disagreement about the finer points in Revelation, but there is mass AGREEMENT that His coming in Rev. 19 is the very same coming as in Matt. 24.
My point? Revelation is meticulous in chronology. It is in perfect order and there is NO NEED to rearrange. It is like a history book written in advance. The days of great tribulation begin in chapter 14 and end somewhere in the vials in chapter 16, and Jesus returns to earth shortly thereafter.
You seem to think that stars falling can happen only once. If so, you are very mistaken. You seem to think Rev. is not in the right order, so you have to rearrange it. You are very mistaken. It is written in perfect order.
There IS NO COMING in Rev. 14. After the days of great tribulation begin, right after the angel flies and warns not to take the mark, John shows us with symbols that two great harvests are ahead: the untold millions of believers that will be put to death who refuse the mark, and then the millions of those who took the mark, who will die at Armageddon.
I agree, stars fall more than once. But they do not tell the story of John's chronology. If I were you, I would highlight all the rest of Revelation and understand the chronology of the book, including the stars falling.
By the way, you left out one: in chapter 11, the great dragon's tail took down 1/3 of the stars. Always remember, there are REAL stars, we see at night. Don't forget them! God CAN and does talk about real stars in Revelation.
Finally, you really need to learn what verses go with what verses. Remember, anyone can put two verses together and try to make them say something...like Judas hanging himself. Two verses together does not necessarily make TRUTH. You are choosing to put together verses that don't fit together, making WRONG doctrine.
LAMAD
