The books of Hebrews and Revelation prove the unchangeableness of God's Holy Law. (3)

Sophrosyne · Nov 26, 2013

SilverBlade said:
John 14: 6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Notice how is says 'No man cometh unto the Father, but by me" it doesn't say "By me and following the Sabbath".

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

"Whosoever believeth in him should not perish" It doesn't say anything about following the Sabbath command here, but only the act of believing. Not 'believing + Sabbath".

It is all about faith in the one who was perfect... not about ourselves trying to prove we are perfect (and failing miserably).

CFTerminator · Nov 26, 2013

from scratch said:
Who will appear at this judgment seeing I've already passed and entered into life. I present the words of Jesus -

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Wrong. You can say all the words that you want, but God will see through all of that, and if you knowingly refused to obey the most foundational of God's Law, the 10 Commandments, what will you say in the day of Judgement when Jesus asks you why didn't keep the 7th day holy?

VictorC · Nov 26, 2013

CFTerminator said:
Not so! The faithful SDAs who obeyed God's Commandments will NOT stand condemned, because they were obedient to God's Holy Law. In contrast, the majority of sinners and professed Christians who knowingly refused to the keep the 7th day holy, will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

It is lame for you to make such a claim for Adventists, when you have shown that you don't know their soteriology based on the Investigative Judgment, can't find support for it in Scripture, and have shown that you don't accept it yourself. The straw man you erected in lieu of comprehension of core Adventist doctrines is easily seen for what it is, and doesn't help your cause, either.

CFTerminator · Nov 26, 2013

Sophrosyne said:
It is all about faith in the one who was perfect... not about ourselves trying to prove we are perfect (and failing miserably).

Who said you have to be Mister Perfect? But, there is a BIG difference between and profession and true obedience. You cannot fool God. When you knowingly continue to disobey God's Law, what more can God do for you?

CFTerminator · Nov 26, 2013

VictorC said:
It is lame for you to make such a claim for Adventists, when you have shown that you don't know their soteriology based on the Investigative Judgment, can't find support for it in Scripture, and have shown that you don't accept it yourself. The straw man you erected in lieu of comprehension of core Adventist doctrines is easily seen for what it is, and doesn't help your cause, either.

It is lame that you refuse to deal the most life and death issue, the fact that you think that you continue to disobey God's Holy Law, and yet think that you will be saved! If you read the history of historic Protestantism, that would be called heresy, but now its called "once saved always saved". One of Satan's master pieces of deception.

VictorC · Nov 26, 2013

VictorC said:
It is lame for you to make such a claim for Adventists, when you have shown that you don't know their soteriology based on the Investigative Judgment, can't find support for it in Scripture, and have shown that you don't accept it yourself. The straw man you erected in lieu of comprehension of core Adventist doctrines is easily seen for what it is, and doesn't help your cause, either.

CFTerminator said:
It is lame that refuse to deal the most life and death issue, the fact that you think that you continue to disobey God's Holy Law, and yet think that you will be saved! If you read the history of historic Protestantism, that would be called heresy, but not its called once saved always saved. One of Satan's master pieces of deception.

Another straw man doesn't help your cause. We already know God's disposition of those who received the Law: "God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all" (Romans 11:32). God didn't make an exception clause for a heterodox sect that rejected His sufficient atonement for their transgressions under the first covenant, and have to invent an unBiblical judgment scenario to explain their reliance on a non-event in 1844.

Sophrosyne · Nov 26, 2013

CFTerminator said:
Who said you have to be Mister Perfect? But, there is a BIG difference between and profession and true obedience. You cannot fool God. When you knowingly continue to disobey God's Law, what more can God do for you?

If you are depending on the Law to save you then you cannot have one sin that is related to it. Nobody with sin is allowed in heaven. I don't disobey his law because it isn't mine to keep. Christians are not under the Law.

ARBITER01 · Nov 27, 2013

CFTerminator said:
It is lame that you refuse to deal the most life and death issue, the fact that you think that you continue to disobey God's Holy Law, and yet think that you will be saved! If you read the history of historic Protestantism, that would be called heresy, but now its called "once saved always saved". One of Satan's master pieces of deception.

It is a "NEW" covenant from Jesus, not a renewed one from Moses.

Keachian · Nov 27, 2013

CFTerminator said:
Not so! The faithful SDAs who obeyed God's Commandments will NOT stand condemned, because they were obedient to God's Holy Law.

Only in SDA parlance is a statement such as this is taken to mean something other than being without sin. Though if this is what you are claiming then I point you to 1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

In contrast, the majority of sinners and professed Christians who knowingly refused to the keep the 7th day holy, will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Now you're just arguing that the Holy Spirit does not have the power to convict someone of Sin.

Personally I think I'm done here, you are waging war against Christian truths.

Sophrosyne · Nov 27, 2013

progmonk said:
Only in SDA parlance is a statement such as this is taken to mean something other than being without sin. Though if this is what you are claiming then I point you to 1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Now you're just arguing that the Holy Spirit does not have the power to convict someone of Sin. Personally I think I'm done here, you are waging war against Christian truths.

I think the SDA Sabbath theology is just plain hateful. They say if we "knowingly" refuse to keep the Sabbath we are damned, so by them telling us we need to keep it they are not allowing us to be ignorant of it and thus those who don't do it are damned. They should go away and keep their mouths shut and leave people ignorant so more can be saved from their "lake of fire".
I don't buy ignorance is an excuse theology...

from scratch · Nov 27, 2013

CFTerminator said:
Wrong. You can say all the words that you want, but God will see through all of that, and if you knowingly refused to obey the most foundational of God's Law, the 10 Commandments, what will you say in the day of Judgement when Jesus asks you why didn't keep the 7th day holy?

I wonder what you'll say when God asks why you didn't accept the witness of His Dear Son, Jesus and judges you by the law you demand.

Stryder06 · Nov 27, 2013

from scratch said:
I wonder what you'll say when God asks why you didn't accept the witness of His Dear Son, Jesus and judges you by the law you demand.

from scratch · Nov 27, 2013

CFTerminator said:
Who said you have to be Mister Perfect? But, there is a BIG difference between and profession and true obedience. You cannot fool God. When you knowingly continue to disobey God's Law, what more can God do for you?

If you follow the law, it does.

from scratch · Nov 27, 2013

CFTerminator said:
It is lame that you refuse to deal the most life and death issue, the fact that you think that you continue to disobey God's Holy Law, and yet think that you will be saved! If you read the history of historic Protestantism, that would be called heresy, but now its called "once saved always saved". One of Satan's master pieces of deception.

You keep forgetting God changed the program.

from scratch · Nov 27, 2013

ARBITER01 said:
It is a "NEW" covenant from Jesus, not a renewed one from Moses.

from scratch · Nov 27, 2013

Sophrosyne said:
I think the SDA Sabbath theology is just plain hateful. They say if we "knowingly" refuse to keep the Sabbath we are damned, so by them telling us we need to keep it they are not allowing us to be ignorant of it and thus those who don't do it are damned. They should go away and keep their mouths shut and leave people ignorant so more can be saved from their "lake of fire".
I don't buy ignorance is an excuse theology...

Neither do I and my enemy is well please with their efforts. May he reward with great warmth.

Sophrosyne · Nov 27, 2013

from scratch said:
Neither do I and my enemy is well please with their efforts. May he reward with great warmth.

Sadly the Bible agrees with you in that those who choose the Law over Grace will be judged by it and found wanting....

CFTerminator · Nov 27, 2013

from scratch said:
I wonder what you'll say when God asks why you didn't accept the witness of His Dear Son, Jesus and judges you by the law you demand.

The witness of the God's dear Son, was a life of 7th day Sabbath day keeping! Therefore, since I keep the 7th day holy, God will say to me, well done my good and faithful servant, and enter into eternal life.

OrthodoxyUSA · Nov 27, 2013

Christ God laid in the tomb on the Sabbath day, fulfilling it. The shadow of what was to come, has passed.

James 2:10-12
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

And the law of liberty is...

John 13:34
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

ARBITER01 · Nov 27, 2013

I guess people don't really read their bibles much after they say they are Christian.

Paul was very specific in certain places about who "the law" was for,..

1Ti 1:8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully,

1Ti 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and unruly, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

1Ti 1:10 for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

1Ti 1:11 according to the gospel of the glory of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

We as born again Christians are under the "NEW" covenant of Jesus, and have been imbued with His righteousness apart from the law, and are now no longer under the covenant of Moses.

I trust my first century apostles and prophets to be true at all times, I don't trust denominations.

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