Why Is Mr Obama In The President's Office?

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Were you so "anal" about appropriate titles when George W. Bush was POTUS?

Wow, someone is dramatic.

If you thing respecting someone to the point where you at least address them professionally, then I can understand the context of your posts, and why you have had the exchanges you have had.

There are only two titles a US President should be called: Mr./M(r)s. President, and President [Name]. Mr./M(r)s. [Name] is disrespectful, because the president is the President first. When Bush was president, I expected the same thing. I did the same thing. But, I am not everyone. Bush was hardly ever called anything outside of Mr. President or President Bush - and he certainly wasn't called those names in the frequency NEWS REPORTERS have done over the past five years.

To me, it is all about respect, but I can understand why he is being disrespected. It is the same reason why some people call him to the "welfare president," a president my father and grandfather would never know," and "not MY president." I am not personally invested in politics for several reasons:
1) it is a game of demagoguery,
2)there is no difference between democrat and republican in DC - except what they are selling to laypersons,
3) politicians have played the same formulaic pitch for people to buy their product, only to renege on most everything
4) I have never voted, because I don't believe in choosing a lesser of two evils - or I just write my own name in the ballot. Abstaining from voting is a voting right also.

So, investing emotion that doesn't invest in you (politics/government) seems nonsensical to me.
 
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Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dorhn are close friends of the Obamas. However, in the '70's they were members of the Weather Underground, an American terrorist organization. They bombed a few places and I think at least one person was killed. I think they were acquitted or they got a light sentence. They weren't in jail for very long. He went on to teach at the University of Illinois and she teaches at Northwestern.
Thank you for the information.
Imagine that, terrorists getting professorships at major universities...well, I guess when the major requirement in most colleges is to be a socialist,
I am a university graduate. I studied nursing at UNE for 3 years, and worked as hard as you have ever worked at anything in your life. While I appreciate you didn't intentionally mean to be personally insulting, I can't help but feel offended by your broad brush anti-intellectual slur. In another thread you were decrying how people tend to broadbrush criticise conspiracy theorists, well, look to the plank in thine own, and so on.
 
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Thank you for the information.
I am a university graduate. I studied nursing at UNE for 3 years, and worked as hard as you have ever worked at anything in your life. While I appreciate you didn't intentionally mean to be personally insulting, I can't help but feel offended by your broad brush anti-intellectual slur.

OK, your point is understood. There probably are a reasonable number of conservatives in the NURSING school, but it still is true that at America's major universities and in subject areas that deal with political, social, and economic theory and practice...being a liberal is almost a requirement for being on the faculty.
 
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Ted,
I blame much stuff on the fact that I had a (or many) strokes.
I need to read this through several times as I am now somewhat dislexic.

I must explain what I believe also...
The "affordable health care act" (if I am correct with the bill) was passed before the Congress read it; before Congress was given time to read; or discus it.
Americans had this "foisted" on us. Nancy Pelosi has been mocked over and over for her narative "you have to pass it" before you can read it is what she said to Congress before given a chance to read it.
This mess; and the financial, catastrofic group of new laws and restrictions placed on America ar what needed to be discussed BEFORE Congress voted and passed it.

I still say God, in His ... should I say anger for kicking Him out of America,.... is about to show us what it is like to the rest of the world to get some true persecution.
I believe we are in the last; should I say dispensation; (this generation shall not pass away until all be fulfilled) before, or of the beginning of sorrows.

Compare how far we have come in aproximately six thousand years;
from horseback to cars & trucks;
from walking to flying;
from reading stories of space to "reading" the universe;
etc. and mor.
The polution of our oceans where we can almost walk on the sea of plastic bottles; which also harms our ecology;
fires all over America; floods and mudslides everywhere;
humongous sink holes (I need to fix my word again)
And "when the days get like the days of Noah" ...
Murder and mayhem everywhere.
I need to mow our lawn before I get "massecred"
Talk to you in a while.
 
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The "affordable health care act" (if I am correct with the bill) was passed before the Congress read it; before Congress was given time to read; or discus it.
This is entirely incorrect. Both Houses of Congress were working on their own versions on this Bill. The Republicans complained because they hadn't had a debate on the Senate version, which was simply a stalling tactic because they wanted to filibuster. The House used the reconciliation process which could not be filibustered and the Bill passed 219-212. No Republican voted for the Bill in either House of Congress.


I still say God, in His ... should I say anger for kicking Him out of America,.... is about to show us what it is like to the rest of the world to get some true persecution.
God hasn't been kicked out of America. Our Congress or any part of government cannot kick God out of America. Americans, by a vast majority are Christians. God is alive and well in America. He will not abandon his children despite what our government might do.
 
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OK, your point is understood. There probably are a reasonable number of conservatives in the NURSING school, but it still is true that at America's major universities and in subject areas that deal with political, social, and economic theory and practice...being a liberal is almost a requirement for being on the faculty.

Even if that's true (and...I suspect not), what of it? Or is this one of those "being liberal is a bad thing" things?
 
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God hasn't been kicked out of America. Our Congress or any part of government cannot kick God out of America. Americans, by a vast majority are Christians. God is alive and well in America. He will not abandon his children despite what our government might do.

I always feel that anyone who talks of God being "kicked out" of America (or out of any American establishment, such as schools) doesn't really understand about God being omnipresent. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there with them," and all of that.
 
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I always feel that anyone who talks of God being "kicked out" of America (or out of any American establishment, such as schools) doesn't really understand about God being omnipresent. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there with them," and all of that.
:amen::amen::amen::amen::amen::amen:
 
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Even if that's true (and...I suspect not), what of it? Or is this one of those "being liberal is a bad thing" things?

It sorta is true. Being liberal isn't a bad thing, just like being conservative isn't bad. It is when you are "so liberal you are conservative, or so conservative you are liberal" that it becomes a problem, so to speak. So far left you are right and vice-verse. In American Universities, faculty is liberal most likely as a consequence of their academic experiences. Especially in medicine, science and technology, many ideas have to be entertained (despite personal agreement) - often at the same time. Even conservative faculty must remain somewhat liberal in academia - even for the sake of the students or providing lectures to mixed audiences. Ultra conservatives, and ultra liberals are usually blacklisted and have their scholarly articles removed. It is similar to being ultra on either side of religion, I guess.
 
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I always feel that anyone who talks of God being "kicked out" of America (or out of any American establishment, such as schools) doesn't really understand about God being omnipresent. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there with them," and all of that.
Tee hee, yes indeed. I have often thought that people who talk about God being "kicked out" of anywhere, seem to have a faily limited view about God's actual omnipotence and so on. I think its all part of an attempt to bolster their own weak faith far more than anything God himself desires or needs. Ditto with creationists.
 
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I still say God, in His ... should I say anger for kicking Him out of America,.... is about to show us what it is like to the rest of the world to get some true persecution.

Large chunks of the rest of the world already know what it's like "to get some true persecution". Try identifying openly as a Christian in China and see where that gets you...
 
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I always feel that anyone who talks of God being "kicked out" of America (or out of any American establishment, such as schools) doesn't really understand about God being omnipresent. "Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there with them," and all of that.

Well, what people mean when they say this is that references to God are steadily being eliminated from public life--a fact that is undeniable, regardless of which side of that issue one stands on.

Even if that's true (and...I suspect not), what of it? Or is this one of those "being liberal is a bad thing" things?
It's certainly true and has been the object of a lot of study. So it's not just a hunch. As to whether it's a good thing that distinguished institutions of higher learning become places where intellectual inquiry and the free exchange of ideas are unknown or even banned, I guess we can all decide for ourselves. What I did was merely to comment on the factual shortcomings in that earlier post from the nursing student.
 
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Ted,
I blame much stuff on the fact that I had a (or many) strokes.
I need to read this through several times as I am now somewhat dislexic.

I must explain what I believe also...
The "affordable health care act" (if I am correct with the bill) was passed before the Congress read it; before Congress was given time to read; or discus it.

hi RDGSr,

I'd have to see some evidence that that statement is true. I have a really hard time believing that the men and women whose job it is to pass the laws of our land passed something that has, since its introduction, been so very, very controversial and we are to believe that no one in Congress read it. Now, is it possible that a particular congressman didn't think it important enough to read and familiarize himself with some particular point of the bill, hmm, maybe, but that happens every day in our legislature. And keep in mind that 'Congress' can't read. Congress is a word that denotes a body of men and women and each of them can read, but when one says that 'Congress' didn't read something then you're asking me to believe that 535 men and women passed a bill of law without reading it? Uhhhh, no, I'm not that gullible.

And let me also say that 'if' 535 men and women whose job it is to know and understand the laws that they pass are trying to tell us that they didn't take the time to read and understand something as great as the Affordable Healthcare Act, then our problems are waaaaaay deeper than the passage of the Affordable Healthcare Act.

Americans had this "foisted" on us. Nancy Pelosi has been mocked over and over for her narative "you have to pass it" before you can read it is what she said to Congress before given a chance to read it.

I'm curious why you included the "you have to pass it" in quotation marks and not the 'before you can read it'. The way you have written that means that she only encouraged her fellow congresspersons at some point in the debate and discussion phase that they needed to pass the bill and quite frankly I've sat in on legislative sessions and that's a fairly common encouragement just as the opposing side will have someone saying "you cannot pass this bill." The 'before you can read it' however is just someone's added understanding and not actually words that Mrs. Pelosi used in conjunction with her encouragement to pass the bill.

As I say, I honestly doubt that no one in congress had read or understood what was being voted on. This however, is a common cry of the losers. "Oh, wait, I didn't understand. They rushed us into this. It just isn't fair!"

This mess; and the financial, catastrofic group of new laws and restrictions placed on America ar what needed to be discussed BEFORE Congress voted and passed it.

Again, friend, I will repeat that I'm going to need to see some proof, other than just someone's position who lost in the vote, that there is any truth to this.

I still say God, in His ... should I say anger for kicking Him out of America,.... is about to show us what it is like to the rest of the world to get some true persecution.
I believe we are in the last; should I say dispensation; (this generation shall not pass away until all be fulfilled) before, or of the beginning of sorrows.

Oh, I agree completely that we are not the great 'nation blessed of God', that some want to make us out to be. What we are is a nation of sinners, and we always have been, that was initially founded on several godly principles, but has never really been particularly godly in our actions. We are one of the nations, if we last that long, who will be standing against Israel in the day that all the nations come against her.

Compare how far we have come in aproximately six thousand years;
from horseback to cars & trucks;
from walking to flying;
from reading stories of space to "reading" the universe;
etc. and mor.
The polution of our oceans where we can almost walk on the sea of plastic bottles; which also harms our ecology;
fires all over America; floods and mudslides everywhere;
humongous sink holes (I need to fix my word again)
And "when the days get like the days of Noah" ...
Murder and mayhem everywhere.
I need to mow our lawn before I get "massecred"
Talk to you in a while.

Yes, I am in complete agreement with all of that also, but I'm also trusting in the word of God that our job as born again believers is not to overly concern ourselves with the workings of worldly governments. Sure, we can make our position and understandings known, but there is absolutely no Scriptural evidence that a single believer written of in the new covenant writings said or wrote or inferred that God's children were to be about saving the world through some political position or agenda. My job, your job and the job of any other individual that lives in this world today is to make an attempt to tell those with whom we may have contact or influence about the great, great mercy that our Creator has shown us through His Son, Jesus, and that if they will believe and trust and adopt the testimony of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as what they believe as truth, then on the day of God's judgment they will be saved. The world is going to continue to spiral towards the inevitable end that is already reserved for it. It is going to burn up as hay, wood and stuble. That is going to happen and it is going to happen to the nation of the United States as much as it is to any other nation on the face of the earth.

And according to Jesus that day has already been appointed. Peter makes the same claim that the day is already appointed. So, what is our purpose in this effort? Are we going to make God change the appointed day? Are we going to hear God say on the day of His judgment, "Oh, I want to give special recognition to the US for being the best of the worst through these last few hundred years." Or, "You should all give thanks to Richard because he saved your government and I've decided that instead of the government that I had initially established to be the government of the new Jerusalem I'm going to use the model of the US government."

Listen, maybe I'm wrong, but I sure don't think so. God is much more interested and wants to reward you that you saw some young woman who was pregnant and thought the only way out might be suicide or abortion, to come along side of her and tell her about the hope found in Jesus. God wants you when you see some young man out on the street in some kind of trouble to make an attempt to tell him about the love and hope that God has given us through Jesus. You want to save our 'government', then go tell that Senator or this Congresswoman or that aide of the hope that comes only through Jesus. And when you have installed solid God-fearing born again believers as the various representatives of our government as at least the majority of such people, then you might see godly changes in our government.

God is not an American.

God bless you, friend.
In Christ, Ted
 
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Well, what people mean when they say this is that references to God are steadily being eliminated from public life--a fact that is undeniable, regardless of which side of that issue one stands on.

AIUI, references to God by US politicians, or in connection with US government activities (i.e., the armed forces, state-run schools), is, if not actively banned, at least frowned upon, because of the separation of church and state. That's not the same as references to God being eliminated from all of public life, because there's much of public life that falls outside of those areas.

As to whether it's a good thing that distinguished institutions of higher learning become places where intellectual inquiry and the free exchange of ideas are unknown or even banned...

What makes you think that liberalism is in any way connected to "intellectual inquiry and the free exchange of ideas" being unknown or banned? If anything, it's the opposite - liberalism encourages such things.
 
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Well, what people mean when they say this is that references to God are steadily being eliminated from public life--a fact that is undeniable, regardless of which side of that issue one stands on.
Well, if thats what they meant, thats what they should have said. Because if thats what they mean, whats the problem? Secular country, not everyone is a Christian, you can be as Christian as you want, just don't force it on anyone else.


It's certainly true and has been the object of a lot of study. So it's not just a hunch. As to whether it's a good thing that distinguished institutions of higher learning become places where intellectual inquiry and the free exchange of ideas are unknown or even banned, I guess we can all decide for ourselves. What I did was merely to comment on the factual shortcomings in that earlier post from the nursing student.
A. Nursing graduate. B. What "factual shortcomings"?
 
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And by the way, are you really familiar with the provisions of the AHC? Here's the bottom line for the individual:

You can refuse to buy insurance and each year there will be a 'penalty' to be paid with your income taxes for such refusal, but you can choose to do so.

You can buy the absolute cheapest plan which runs less than $100./month and not be subject to the penalty.

You can look over and weigh and measure the benefits and drawbacks of each plan and choose one that you can afford or seems like a reasonably good value to you and your family.

Understand that for most people there will be little change in their economic position. If you participate now in a plan through your employer then you don't have to do anything. And most employer sponsored plans today require some employee contribution towards the cost. Especially if you are including family members in that coverage.

If you are covered by medicare then you don't have to do anything either. If you are self-employed and you carry a basic insurance plan as a part of your protection for yourself and your family you don't have to do anything.

The only people affected by the AHC are those who have no insurance, but should be able to afford it because there is also an out for those who can prove that they are financially unable to purchase healthcare. However, let us understand that when one says they can't afford healthcare we have to take out for the $155.00 premium pay TV package and the $900.00 auto and auto insurance payment they are making for each automobile that they have. If one is truly living a bare subsistence life on a bare subsistence income then they don't have to do anything either.

So, the first thing one needs to understand is that there is a large part of our nation for which the AHC means absolutely nothing. My wife and I are semi-retired and covered under retirement medical benefits from our company. We don't have to do a thing and there are many people in that group. My son, who is 21 is also covered under our retirement benefit plan until he is 26 if we so choose and so he doesn't have to do anything either. Friend, there are a lot of people for whom this law will make some effect in their lives, but there are, I believe, a lot more for whom it won't. Anyone who is now voluntarily participating in an employee sponsored plan, and I believe that most middle class families are, then they don't have to do anything. If you've already got 20, 30 or 75 dollars a pay period coming out of your check for some kind of health insurance then you don't have to move a muscle and all this will just roll right on by.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted
 
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I think the thing most people are opposed to is not the AHC plan itself, but the fact that one is forced to buy into it, or pay a pentalty cost. Now, I undestand the argument that "taxpayer money pays for non-insured persons," but I do not see the same outrage for amnesty programs, decreased tuition programs, and ID programs for non-citizens - the same programs which will categorically be paid for by the tax payer. Moreover, the many "government" programs being passed (in the billions of dollars) are also paid for by the tax payer (like TARP) - despite the fact that the country is in suicidal debt: the States just keep spending money at the tax payer expense. Still, no outrage. Wages are going down, and inflation has increased dramatically; no outrage. It is somewhat of a hypocritical standard to "catch-22" an American citizen into paying for something s/he doesn't necessarily want (or even need.)

The main focus of this AHC is to attract healthy, young uninsured persons. Why? Because, these people are least likely to buy insurance anyway, because they do not [foresee that they would need it.] Sure, a healthy 24 year old male/female athlete in the prime of his/her condition may have some accident that may require hospital care, but judging by trends, this same person can say (with reasonable accuracy and precision) that the money spent over years of static health care benefits could be put into something else.

For example, on average if I am a martial artist athlete who is a vegetarian, non-smoker, social drinker, with no predisposed conditions - and I live in NYC - then it doesn't make sense for me to pay $400/mo for a health care plan that I may never use in years (or even decades) when I have a salary of $5000/mo, rent of $1200/mo, utilities of $1000/mo, food expenses of $800/mo, and other bills (student loans, travel/car, hygene, etc.) of $1000/mo. That leaves me with $1000/mo for myself minus $400/mo for healthcare, which equal $600/mo for myself (not including savings, entertainment, personal enjoyment, etc.) The numbers I quoted are meager for NYC, by the way. If I never used my healthcare plan in five years, that means I would have spent $24,000 for nothing. Now, if I could save $400/mo and invest it into something to make profitable returns, by the time I would need to go to a hospital (on average,) I would have the savings to use to pay the fee outright.

I have personally (thank God) never had to go to the hospital - except two times in my life. Once for a minor bone injury when I was a child, and another time for a cooking-related incident. Twice in my life. I take no medication. And, when I was a student, besides the cooking-related minor incident, I never used the insurance I paid into for five years. In a time when people can barely support themselves already, it is quite counter-productive to make people either take healthcare, or pay a fine for not doing so. Especially given that nothing about insurance has changed except it is socialized under the Government, and required (there are still high interest hikes, earmarks, and determinations based on age, region, health history, and gender.)
 
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Although several people on this and other forums deny it, Nancy Pelosi as well as many other people all allowed less than a day to read, discus and say anything about "obamacare" before it was forced on America.
It is killing America; and God ordained it; I think to punish us; for all the disrespect and all the times we as Americans, have rejected Him and His Word.
I am absolutely positive we (as a world) have rejected Him; and we are living in the beginning of sorrows.
 
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