for all the theologians...

brinny said:

(well also fer anybody who wants ta speak on it)

A question:

What are yer thoughts on someone struggling with anger and hate?

Any responses are appreciated. Thank you kindly.

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The counsel that I was given about this is that if I ever feel angry toward someone to begin praying for them, and over time my heart will warm toward them.

brinny said:

Thank you. What about someone else who's full of anger and hate?

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I'd ask God to help me respond to them with love and kindness.

I'm of the position that anger isn't necessarily wrong, especially if it's a product of one's spiritual pursuits. That's also not meant to advocate anger, but there may come a point in one's walk in Christ when, after experiencing the fellowship of His sufferings, that the evil in the hearts of those that cause His sufferings starts to become a sensitive subject. That would also be an exercise in self-control.

You can call me Theo....tee hee...if you want to....I don't mind

anger is a process...but something that should evaporate...not last long...but I have found hate to be a very strong word and a very yucky word at that...if it is directed at a person. But I can hate the things that are evil...but love the person. Sometimes when I hate the things that are evil I find myself angry....

Basically we are to not hate our brother....ever...to hate our brother would mean to plan revenge and evil in our minds against that person...

hating others is not of God...hating the things they do and getting angry however are quite normal...just don't return evil for evil.

TamaraLynne said:

You can call me Theo....tee hee...if you want to....I don't mind

anger is a process...but something that should evaporate...not last long...but I have found hate to be a very strong word and a very yucky word at that...if it is directed at a person. But I can hate the things that are evil...but love the person. Sometimes when I hate the things that are evil I find myself angry....

Basically we are to not hate our brother....ever...to hate our brother would mean to plan revenge and evil in our minds against that person...

hating others is not of God...hating the things they do and getting angry however are quite normal...just don't return evil for evil.

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but I do need prayer in this area...because of the Muslim religion...I know they are my neighbor but it is very hard to trust or love someone who wants to destroy everyone...even the peaceful Muslims if they think the jihad war is upon us they will be exactly like the radical Muslims that want to bring jihad to the now. Because they think God wants it of them...to destroy. This has been bothering me for some time now...can't shake the anger...

brinny said:

Thanks for sharing.....

a scenario: there's an angry (even furious) person. They are venting and are sharing quite freely, with expletives, their hatred for someone involving something that just happened. They come to you because they hear that you are a "God" person.

And you....

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Ask them nicely to please stop cursing to communicate with you. Tell them this is not neccessary if they want to speak to you. At that point they should at least start to curb their language, and for sure they will not stop completely. At that point you can begin to reach for their heart through compassion and empathy. When that happens, you just may be reaching them. If they can not calm down, let them know you would love to help them and will do so if they would only stop speaking that way to you.

Frustration is common, and confusion is part and parcle to that emotion. Calmness and compassion, a sense that you are listening to what they are trying to convey, and an empathetic response is what will reach someone. They need to feel like you are 'reaching' them, not just reacting to them. If you react to the hateful reaction you will usually garner more reactionary hate in return.

Hope that helps....

Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath. Jesus displayed anger without sin.

Maybe you might be talking about a bitter person. I think it is because they have misplaced their trust through loss of focus. Very easy to do.

brinny said:

Thanks for sharing.....

a scenario: there's an angry (even furious) person. They are venting and are sharing quite freely, with expletives, their hatred for someone involving something that just happened. They come to you because they hear that you are a "God" person.

And you....

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agree with their anger....but show them different ways of seeing the situation and the different solutions...and let them know that everyone makes mistakes and that person they are angry at might someday pull them from a burning building....a lot of times when we don't allow our eyes to open in love towards others to see what God sees....we will make the mistake of seeing the one we are angry at as the enemy...sometimes when so called enemies are stuck together in a small room...they are forced to see the other as human

but all in all if the other person is not saved and you are and they are seeking advice from you that is an open door to witnessing...if the other person is a Christian...remind them what God says about anger.

My teen daughter gets angry at her best friend a lot and I just say "oh you know you love her...you two will get through this...you will be friends again"

when you agree to the point of actually getting angry yourself...and you speak your mind about the person that made the person angry in the first place...and you verbalize your anger and say things that are not nice...it will bite you in the rear in the long run...it will because others like to get as many people on there side as possible and your words will get repeated...then if the person who was angry at said individual becomes friends again...then your words will get repeated so that it bonds their renewing friendship...

oh boy...and things get twisted.

you posted a scenario that everyone has gone through with so many different areas of life...

brinny said:

Thanks for sharing.....

a scenario: there's an angry (even furious) person. They are venting and are sharing quite freely, with expletives, their hatred for someone involving something that just happened. They come to you because they hear that you are a "God" person.

And you....

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If a person in that situation approached me for advice, I would tell him the same thing: pray for those who make you angry, and it's for the same reason that Christ said, "pray for those who persecute you." Loving people is not a way we feel, but an action and an orientation of our heart. The only way to love someone is to actively be involved in loving them and to begin to move our hearts in that direction. Making the effort to pray for those people is a good first step, as it requires us to go against the hatred and do something good for someone else. It is a form of sacrifice and self-denial; it is a small step that prepares our hearts for bigger steps.

Be understanding and very patient. Be at peace yourself and give them time to calm down. Change the subject. Sometimes it's easy to get sucked into the same anger they're feeling.

for all the theologians...

brinny said:

(well also fer anybody who wants ta speak on it)

A question:

What are yer thoughts on someone struggling with anger and hate?

Any responses are appreciated. Thank you kindly.

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I am sure you will hear different view of that from Christian theologians...
The RCC come to mind

http://www.christianforums.com/t3292756/
6 Theologians Cross the Tiber

ProCommunioneFacior said:

Going Catholic | The Christian Century

When I ran into a friend from divinity school recently, we asked each other the normal catch-up questions. Then, in the same casual tone, she said, "So are you going to become Catholic?"
It's not that odd a question these days in theological circles. Last year a string of theologians left their Protestant denominations for the church of Rome. The list includes three Lutherans—Reinhard Hütter and Bruce Marshall, theologians at Methodist seminaries (Duke and Southern Methodist), and Mickey Mattox, a Luther scholar at Marquette; two Anglicans—Rusty Reno of Creighton and Douglas Farrow of McGill University; and a Mennonite—Gerald Schlabach of St. Thomas University.

These converts have all been captivated by a catholic vision of the church—a vision they have come to believe is best realized in the Catholic Church......'"

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