and DOMA is...

Loudmouth said:

So you are you saying that letting a black man marry a white woman has led us down a path where we must also accept a man marrying multiple women, or even female animals.

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Maybe. I think the forcing of it on the states in the name of equality has aided in that path. However this was not the case in many places including Northern ones.

Creech said:

Maybe. I think the forcing of it on the states in the name of equality has aided in that path. However this was not the case in many places including Northern ones.

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The forcing of what? Racial Equality?

Creech said:

It has plenty to do with it. Many people wish to accept homosexual marriage on the basis of equality and democracy. If people accept equality, then of course these types of marriages will have to become accepted. It is all part of the March of "progress".

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Except that animals are not humans, don't have the same rights and lack the ability to consent...

Creech said:

Maybe. I think the forcing of it on the states in the name of equality has aided in that path. However this was not the case in many places including Northern ones.

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Ending segregation is what started the slippery slope towards allowing interracial marriage.

Should we have not forced an end to segregation in all states? It was in the name of equality, after all... and some people in the South are still pretty mad about both issues (I know some of them, and wish I didn't).

Cute Tink said:

Except that animals are not humans, don't have the same rights and lack the ability to consent...

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Well to be technical
Not all Animals are Human, but All Humans are Animals.

KitKatMatt said:

Ending segregation is what started the slippery slope towards allowing interracial marriage.

Should we have not forced an end to segregation in all states? It was in the name of equality, after all... and some people in the South are still pretty mad about both issues (I know some of them, and wish I didn't).

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Laws should not discriminate, but private businesses should be able to discriminate against whoever they want. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

drew89 said:

Laws should not discriminate, but private businesses should be able to discriminate against whoever they want. If you don't like it go somewhere else.

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I agree.

[serious];63420046 said:

DEAD

5-4 kennedy

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf

EDIT: and Prop 8 has been punted on standing grounds
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-144_8ok0.pdf

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A decision which is a fantastic example of judicial activism and continuing judicial activism. The Due Process Clause of the 5th Amendment does not have "equal protection principles". The notion the 5th Amendment Due Process Clause has "equal protection principles" would have been a shocking surprise to James Madison, the author of the 5th Amendment, and the generation who assisted in drating and ratifying the 5th Amendment.

The 5th Amendment Due Process Clause was never understood to have "equal protection principles" until the Court conjured up the idea in the 1954 case of Bolling v. Sharpe. Society and the nation, for the entire 1800s, knew the phrase "due process" didn't mean "equal protection principles". If the converse were true, then the drafters of the 14th Amendment would not have provided two separate provisions in the 14th Amendment, a due process and equal protection clause, if the former already included the latter.

There is a reason why our constitution was written, placed into writing, and judges having the ability and authority to rewrite what the constitution says defies the very purpose for having a written constitution at all.

Creech said:

It has plenty to do with it. Many people wish to accept homosexual marriage on the basis of equality and democracy. If people accept equality, then of course these types of marriages will have to become accepted. It is all part of the March of "progress".

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Equality between heterosexuality and other orientations between two human adults. Not equality between heterosexuality and anything ever.

abysmul said:

I agree.

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Really? You wanna tell your POC friends that?

Rion said:

They didn't say that. They said that if you're going to have the government's toying around in the marriage topic, you cannot do it only for selected parties. This is why I was for getting the federal government out of the marriage business in the first place. DOMA couldn't stand up to constitutional standards, just as any attempt to force churches to marry gay couples would not. Both are forms of big government.

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You do realize the "constitutional standards" you invoke in this post were judicially created? There isn't any "constitutional standards" in the plain text of the U.S. Constitution precluding Congress from defining the term "marriage" for purposes of its tax code. Furthermore, there does not exist any "constitutional standards" in the original meaning of any provision in the U.S. Constitution prohibiting Congress from defining the term "marriage" for purposes of the tax code. The "constitutional standards" were conjured up by the Court rather than the text or original meaning of the U.S. Constitution serving as the genesis or impetus for the "constitutional standards."

SharonL said:

The sounds of Heaven are growing louder - God will push the 'go get-em button before long - we can't continue mocking God and Him not bringing the Bible to light with actions.

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I'm just going to repost the most amusing quotes...

Purge187 said:

I firmly believe that we should follow Christ's instructions in Luke 10:2 to pray for more people to be anointed by The Holy Spirit so that our faith and prayers might temper or postpone God's righteous indignation with our country.

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Having more people in Holy Orders will change the minds of those who already don't care...?

pgp_protector said:

Well to be technical
Not all Animals are Human, but All Humans are Animals.

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I thought it might be redundant to put "non-human animals are not human"

Loudmouth said:

So you are you saying that letting a black man marry a white woman has led us down a path where we must also accept a man marrying multiple women, or even female animals.

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I would go even farther back and blame straight people getting married. That was the first step down this slippery slope.

Cearbhall said:

Really? You wanna tell your POC friends that?

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I have. I'd be there with them not doing business with companies that chose to discriminate.

KitKatMatt said:

Ending segregation is what started the slippery slope towards allowing interracial marriage.

Should we have not forced an end to segregation in all states? It was in the name of equality, after all... and some people in the South are still pretty mad about both issues (I know some of them, and wish I didn't).

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I think reform was needed, but the quest to end segregation actually took away liberty and freedom from ALL Americans. So yes, we should have not forced an end to segregation totally. In some areas, yes. In most areas, the government overreached.

Cute Tink said:

Except that animals are not humans, don't have the same rights and lack the ability to consent...

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Wouldn't that be an example of "shoving your definition of marriage down another person's throat?"

SharonL said:

The sounds of Heaven are growing louder - God will push the 'go get-em button before long - we can't continue mocking God and Him not bringing the Bible to light with actions.

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I'd say treating millions of Americans as equals and generally being decent people toward each other brings the Bible to light.

If heaven isn't "down" with that then I have wonder what heaven is like.

Creech said:

I think reform was needed, but the quest to end segregation actually took away liberty and freedom from ALL Americans.

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How so? Really, what liberty or freedom was lost?

JamieRedhead said:

Satan is laughing with this decision. The earth will shake and the Rivers will flood. The government will crumble....

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Joan Rivers? Johnny Rivers? Rivers Cuomo? THOSE Rivers with a capital R?

But generally, yeah, it's probably highly likely that NOT allowing laws that relegate certain portions of the US population to SUB-HUMAN status is going to bring down the government.

And I'm sure Satan is pleased with this recent move away from treating part of our population like non-humans.

It's appalling how evil we are becoming when we fail to treat some people as sub-human!