Muslims riot to kill atheists and others.

You also said many, so I was wondering if you made an exception for those laws.

Anyways, that's an interesting take on things.

Muslims believe everything in the Qur'aan to be the Word of God and we also hold authentic narrations to be authoritative.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

You also said many, so I was wondering if you made an exception for those laws.

Anyways, that's an interesting take on things.

Muslims believe everything in the Qur'aan to be the Word of God and we also hold authentic narrations to be authoritative.

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Orthodox Jews hold the Torah and such the same way. I don't. Where humans are involved at any level there is faults.

JGG said:

The Christians must be having a tough time figuring out who to root for here.

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Some American political (and religious) groups are probably wetting their pants in excitement over this.

I visited Bangladesh a few years ago, and I have Bangladeshi relations.

The people there were very poor indeed, and not at all rabid about their faith. I did not see any woman wearing niqab and very few with hijab; the norm was Shalwar Kameez and a veil, either draped loosely over their hair or around their neck; the same as Moslems in the UK used to wear before the Wahhabis began to spread their evil poison here. Moslem girls in Bangladeshi schools wear a sash across their dresses to indicate their faith, but no head covering. Moslem girls in the UK wear hijab. What is that all about?

Wahhabi culture is destroying the actual culture of people from Bangladesh and Pakistan, and replacing it with an alien Arab culture. No wonder the Bangladeshi people are fighting back.

Bangladeshi people are very friendly, immensely hospitable, quietly devout but certainly not Islamist or rabid on the whole. Whoever these people are who are protesting for Islamic laws, including blasphemy laws, they do not represent the majority of the people. Bangladesh is a very beautiful, very friendly and sadly very poor country. The riots do not reflect it in any way whatever, imo.

Catherineanne said:

I visited Bangladesh a few years ago, and I have Bangladeshi relations.

The people there were very poor indeed, and not at all rabid about their faith. I did not see any woman wearing niqab and very few with hijab; the norm was Shalwar Kameez and a veil, either draped loosely over their hair or around their neck; the same as Moslems in the UK used to wear before the Wahhabis began to spread their evil poison here. Moslem girls in Bangladeshi schools wear a sash across their dresses to indicate their faith, but no head covering. Moslem girls in the UK wear hijab. What is that all about?

Wahhabi culture is destroying the actual culture of people from Bangladesh and Pakistan, and replacing it with an alien Arab culture. No wonder the Bangladeshi people are fighting back.

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What is wahabi culture?

And where did you get your information about the Muslim covering from?

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

What is wahabi culture?

And where did you get your information about the Muslim covering from?

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Probably from her relations who live in the country.

TerranceL said:

Probably from her relations who live in the country.

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Maybe, but I'll wait for her response.

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

What is wahabi culture?

And where did you get your information about the Muslim covering from?

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Well, as just one small example, Wahabi culture is spread by a local Moslem school, at which the dear little 5 year old boy living next door to me learned that all non Moslems should have their heads cut off, and repeated it to me with glee. He ran into his house crying when I told him I was not a Moslem; he was genuinely upset. And then his 3 year old sister repeated it to me; I said he does not mean it, and she told me oh yes he does.

His parents apologised to me, and said that they explained to him that I am a neighbour, and neighbours are different. They said they did not know where he got this idea from, but it was not taught at school. Well, if it was not at home, it must have come from school.

This kind of language from a child is an absolute disgrace. It does not reflect well on Islam. I have visited the local mosque, I have met the local Imam. He has no time for such an attitude, and he apologised for those who behave with intolerance towards both Moslems and those of other faiths.

And I get my information from talking to Moslems; men and women.

TerranceL said:

Probably from her relations who live in the country.

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Yep. Relations and friends, both. And I visited some schools in Bangladesh as well. Christian girls wear knee length dresses or skirts, Moslem girls wear Shalwar Kameez. Neither wear head coverings.

Bangladeshi people are truly lovely people; the most hospitable and most accepting I have ever met. You only have to be introduced to them to be treated as one of the family, and you then get introduced to the rest of the family, as if you were royalty. When we went walking in a park we were followed by crowds, and stopped by parents, so that their children could practice their English, and then be photographed with us. We were mobbed like film stars.

Lovely, lovely people, but many of them immensely poor. Nothing like those protesting in the streets.

Catherineanne said:

Well, as just one small example, Wahabi culture is spread by a local Moslem school, at which the dear little 5 year old boy living next door to me learned that all non Moslems should have their heads cut off. He ran into his house crying when I told him I was not a Moslem; he was genuinely upset. And then his 3 year old sister repeated it to me; I said he does not mean it, and she told me oh yes he does.

His parents apologised to me, and said that they explained to him that I am a neighbour, and neighbours are different. They said they did not know where he got this idea from, but it was not taught at school. Well, if it was not at home, it must have come from school.

This kind of language from a child is an absolute disgrace. It does not reflect well on Islam.

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That does not answer my question (though it does bring up another question: why do you believe that is an example of "wahabi culture"?).

What is wahabi culture?

And I get my information from talking to Moslems; men and women.

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You've been talking to the type of Muslims that form a very small minority among the Muslim population. The ones who say that hijaab is cultural and not an Islaamic duty are those who reject the narrations of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These are the same people who are angry that we say "Assalam Alaikum" to each other instead of the typical salutation in their language. It basically comes down to extreme nationalism at the expense of religion (nevermind that nationalism is forbidden in Islaam).

LoveBeingAMuslimah said:

That does not answer my question (though it does bring up another question: why do you believe that is an example of "wahabi culture"?).

What is wahabi culture?

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I think I have illustrated it well enough. It is a form of Islam that is highly intolerant even of other branches of Islam, and it is spread from Saudi through some schools and some mosques. It is spreading throughout the world like a cancer, and it will eventually fail because it has nothing but intolerance and hatred to offer.

It teaches Moslem girls that if they show any hair at all they are naked, and it teaches that all Christian women are prostitutes. It teaches that Islam will eventually dominate the whole world, and that the whole world must bow to Sharia law.

Islam is a way of life. Wahabi Islam is an aggressive political movement.

You've been talking to the type of Muslims that form a very small minority among the Muslim population. The ones who say that hijaab is cultural and not an Islaamic duty are those who reject the narrations of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). These are the same people who are angry that we say "Assalam Alaikum" to each other instead of the typical salutation in their language. It basically comes down to extreme nationalism at the expense of religion (nevermind that nationalism is forbidden in Islaam).

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Twaddle. I don't personally give a tinker's cuss what you say to one another when you meet, as long as you do not teach little boys that beheading is fine and little girls that they are naked if they have bare arms.

Hijab is indeed cultural. Bosnian Moslems don't wear it; they don't veil at all. SE Asian Moslems don't wear it; they wear very often a light veil around their neck or shoulders. They have their own cultural standards, and they follow those standards. They are no less Moslem because of it.

Catherineanne said:

I think I have illustrated it well enough. It is a form of Islam that is highly intolerant even of other branches of Islam, and it is spread from Saudi through some schools and some mosques. It is spreading throughout the world like a cancer, and it will eventually fail because it has nothing but intolerance and hatred to offer.

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You did not illustrate anything, except for your assumptions (that the school taught the boy such things and that such teachings are part of "wahabi" Islaam).

It teaches Moslem girls that if they show any hair at all they are naked,

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Not naked, since that's a bigger sin. Showing the 'awrah, yes. And it's not just "wahabi" Islam that teaches hijaab. You'll notice that Shi'as also encourage covering and they're the furthest thing from "wahabis" that you can think of....in fact, they use the term in a derogatory fashion just as the British did (and the West continues to do). Well, the British are the ones who coined the term anyways.

and it teaches that all Christian women are prostitutes.

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Really? I'm sure you have evidence for that. I'll wait for you to provide it.

It teaches that Islam will eventually dominate the whole world, and that the whole world must bow to Sharia law.

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Are you sure you haven't been getting your information from the EDL?

Islam is a way of life. Wahabi Islam is an aggressive political movement.

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No, it's a religious movement that also reminded people that politics/government is NOT separated from religion. As you mentioned, Islaam is a way of life and that includes politics.

Twaddle.

Hijab is indeed cultural. Bosnian Moslems don't wear it. SE Asian Moslems don't wear it. They have their own cultural standards, and they follow those standards. They are no less Moslem because of it.

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1.) It's not cultural. It is Islaamic and it was mentioned in the QUr'aan. I don't know where people get off saying these types of outrageous things, ESPECIALLY Muslims. They're not only insulting the women who cover but they're insulting the Prophet's wives who covered BECAUSE of the verse in the Qur'aan that Allaah revealed. The pagan Arabs used to go around the Ka'aba naked (yes, women too), so hijaab wasn't really a concept to them. The concept of hijaab for the Muslims started when the Qur'aan revealed such laws.

2.) Many Bosnians DO wear the hijaab. And LOADS of South East Asian Muslims observe it too. In fact, niqaab used to be much, much more common a few decades ago (and it's still common today). Even the Hindus started covering their hair with shawls even though their concept of modesty is completely different (look at their ancient temples and see all of the naked men and women carved on). To say that Muslims in SE Asia don't observe hijaab is incorrect.

3.) Just because some nations don't have as many people covering does NOT make hijaab cultural. It just makes them sinful.

Turkey abolished Islaam altogether (in its governing) and also banned hijaab for a time. Now that they're becoming more lax on their strict secular agenda, hijaab is making a reemergence.

I don't think I need to even provide proof of SE Asian Muslims covering. It's extremely common.

In Bosnia, it may be less common to observe the hijaab as it is in some other countries, but it's still common enough to not turn heads when they see a woman covering:



(^Srebrenica, Bosnia in 1995)



(^Also Srebrenica in the mid-90's)



Cemetery in Srebrenica in 2010



(^Muslims fleeing Srebrenica, Bosnia in 1995)



(^Muslim women mourning in 2012 when there was another mass burial for the known victims)



(Also from 2012)



(1995)



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Also from 1995.



Hopefully this shows you that hijaab transcends culture. Maybe it's Islaamic culture, but it is not specific to any one geographical area. Muslim converts often observe the hijaab too even though they come from predominantly non-Muslim nations where hijaab is not practiced at all.

You ask about Wahhabist culture? I think this type of thing is fairly representative of it:

PressTV - Saudi regime demolishes Masjid al-Haram holy sites in Mecca

The world is not unaware of it these days. We also have such people (outsiders) to thank for causing death and destruction against Christians and Muslims in Syria.

Like religion, like followers! But it's good for humanity that there are a lot of moderate and liberal "Muslims" who do not follow their religious texts strictly or the footsteps of Mohamed.

Zoness said:

Some American political (and religious) groups are probably wetting their pants in excitement over this.

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I can imagine some Texan investor selling tickets and promoting it like a wrasslin' match.

JGG said:

I can imagine some Texan investor selling tickets and promoting it like a wrasslin' match.

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Is this not a morbid fascination? Why not instead engage those here, lamenting the whole thing and not at all glad about any of it?

Or is reality just not your thing?

Casual Observer said:

Is this not a morbid fascination? Why not instead engage those here, lamenting the whole thing and not at all glad about any of it?

Or is reality just not your thing?

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I believe the running Christian response on the matter is "interesting..." That's the reality.

JGG said:

I believe the running Christian response on the matter is "interesting..." That's the reality.

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I think the reality is, that from your side of the screen you have little to no clue how anybody is actually feeling.

Must you assume the worst, and assign that to those you have never met?

The Orthodox Church prays for everyone.