Proposition 8 overturned in California

SithDoughnut · Aug 6, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
Well, if I as a Christian believe that abortion is wrong, I'm going to vote against any law that would make it okay.

Indeed. People vote for what they believe is right. Which is why you have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights - to stop that happening too often.

PreachersWife2004 · Aug 6, 2010

Gishin said:
A law comes along outlawing Atheism. Would you vote against it?

Probably. I don't even think a law like that could be enforced. Atheism is a mindset, not necessarily a lifestyle.

kiwimac · Aug 6, 2010

SithDoughnut said:
I agree, although it excels even further when you actually get it to properly work as a game. I currently have 3.6gb of mods for that game. Mind you, it is absolutely brilliant as a result.

Or, you could just play Morrowind, which is infinitely better. Provided you hate combat. And sneaking. And life-like places...

Yeah, I understand. I have well over 2Gb of mods for Oblivion and I like Morrowind too. I have often thought what Morrowind would be like given the same graphics as Oblivion.

Gishin · Aug 6, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
Probably. I don't even think a law like that could be enforced. Atheism is a mindset, not necessarily a lifestyle.

Then once again, I'm glad I live in America.

PreachersWife2004 · Aug 6, 2010

okay you techie/gamer nerds (and I say that with much love and affection)...you gotta take the gamer conversation somewhere else!! ^_^

Mling · Aug 6, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
Probably. I don't even think a law like that could be enforced. Atheism is a mindset, not necessarily a lifestyle.

Why would you probably vote for it, then? And, if, somehow, it could be enforced, what do you see in it that's positive enough that you would probably vote for it?

tcampen · Aug 6, 2010

Many posts, but I see no real substantive discussion of the Court's ruling - just dissatisfaction with the end result without any analysis of how the judge got there. Do people care about the legal process, or does any judicial ruling that conflicts with their personal beliefs just necessarily mean it is wrong and who cares about the law? Just wondering.

Skaloop · Aug 6, 2010

Mling said:
Why would you probably vote for it, then? And, if, somehow, it could be enforced, what do you see in it that's positive enough that you would probably vote for it?

The question was whether she'd vote against it. She said she would; she would not vote to outlaw atheism.

PreachersWife2004 · Aug 6, 2010

Gishin asked if I would vote AGAINST it...I said probably, meaning I would probably vote against it.

Sorry if I confused you guys!

ETA: heh, Gishin beat me to it!!

Gishin said:
A law comes along outlawing Atheism. Would you vote against it?

MoonLancer · Aug 6, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
And I don't think that's the argument I've been making, either. As I've pointed out, I don't care if homosexuals marry. Go, marry, whatever! It doesn't change what I view to be a marriage or how I view God's view of a marriage. But if someone used the law to say that our church had to marry homosexuals (not saying that it has been or even will be, just laying out the scenario) you can bet that our church would buck the law and go with God's law instead, which says that marriage is between a man and a woman. We would absolutely refuse to perform a same sex marriage, just as we have refused to perform marriages of other people involved in sexual immorality.

I said early on that it should've never been an issue to be voted on, period.

for what its worth i agree with you and support your right to marry who you wish. A church should never be forced to marry a couple that do not live up to there personal standards. What I do not support is churches (like the Mormon ones) using buckets of money to fund a law that squash peoples federal rights.

PreachersWife2004 · Aug 6, 2010

MoonLancer said:
for what its worth i agree with you and support your right to marry who you wish. A church should never be forced to marry a couple do not live up to there personal standards. What I do not support is churches (like the Mormon ones) using buckets of money to fund a law that squash peoples federal rights.

Church and politics don't mix. My husband has never, nor will ever, preach about who to vote for from the pulpit. He'll preach about the issues and what the bible says about them, though.

Isn't there some big scandal now with how much moola the Mormons put up for prop 8?

Maren · Aug 6, 2010

PreachersWife2004 said:
Church and politics don't mix. My husband has never, nor will ever, preach about who to vote for from the pulpit. He'll preach about the issues and what the bible says about them, though.

Isn't there some big scandal now with how much moola the Mormons put up for prop 8?

Not really. The "scandal" is that Mormons (individuals, not the church) put up a substantial percentage of the money collected by the Prop. 8 group and that many of the Mormons contributing lived out of state. Of course, there are plenty of gays around the country that contributed to the anti-Prop. 8 group, so I don't think they can make too big a deal about the money coming from out of state.

The only "scandal" about the Mormon church is that they reported some in-kind donations late (not realizing California has a daily reporting requirement in the last two weeks prior to the election) and so they paid a relatively minor fine ($5000) for the reporting error.

PreachersWife2004 · Aug 6, 2010

Maren said:
Not really. The "scandal" is that Mormons (individuals, not the church) put up a substantial percentage of the money collected by the Prop. 8 group and that many of the Mormons contributing lived out of state. Of course, there are plenty of gays around the country that contributed to the anti-Prop. 8 group, so I don't think they can make too big a deal about the money coming from out of state.

The only "scandal" about the Mormon church is that they reported some in-kind donations late (not realizing California has a daily reporting requirement in the last two weeks prior to the election) and so they paid a relatively minor fine ($5000) for the reporting error.

Gotcha. I hadn't really kept up with prop 8 news other than the decision handed down the other day and thought I had ran across some scandalous headlines of some sort. Thanks for the clarification.

matthewgar · Aug 7, 2010

Well from my understanding the other half the scandal about it is, though could be wrong if it's just individuals, *though churches were telling people to send money and making it into a mormon issue* is that part of being tax exempt is, they can't make political statements *yes people break this all the time* telling people to send money and vote a certain way breaks that part of being tax exempt.

truelies · Aug 7, 2010

Walker deserves impeachment

Old Catholic Man · Aug 7, 2010

truelies said:
Walker deserves impeachment

What impeachable offense has he committed?

T

Gishin · Aug 7, 2010

Old Catholic Man said:
What impeachable offense has he committed?

T

The same as Obama.

onemorequestion · Aug 8, 2010

truelies said:
Walker deserves impeachment

That's like asking the crowd behind the mob in Sodom to stop desiring Lot's visitors.

sbvera13 · Aug 8, 2010

onemorequestion said:
That's like asking the crowd behind the mob in Sodom to stop desiring Lot's visitors.

Ok. I get that part. I just have one more question though... does the "giving your daughters to the crowd to be raped in their place" part fit in somewhere too?

laconicstudent · Aug 8, 2010

truelies said:
Walker deserves impeachment

Please retake Junior High civics.

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