Help with a gift for my Protestant friend

Montalban said:

You musn't have read the circular from the Director General

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Yep I did my bad

heymikey80 said:

Authoritarian or authoritative?

The Reformed magisterium operates on a different basis -- one of witness to evidence, not of dictate.

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Not quite sure what you mean here. What is the 'Reformed magisterium'?

peace,

Anglian

Probably he means about his own church's magesterium? I c annot fathom why the RC magesterium would not agree at least in theory that they are doing the same thing?

But the "prokathemenos" in these situations has totally different resposibilities attached to him....

Anglian said:

Not quite sure what you mean here. What is the 'Reformed magisterium'?

peace,

Anglian

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It's a reformed ecclesiology concept.
You know that mighty thing that has no currant specific name or address associated with it, but is inerrant in its teachings?
In the reformed version, it is the Holy Spirit. You know, like the early church had before all the religious bureaucrats showed up needing all the pomp & regalia we see today.

Rick Otto said:

It's a reformed ecclesiology concept.
You know that mighty thing that has no currant specific name or address associated with it, but is inerrant in its teachings?
In the reformed version, it is the Holy Spirit. You know, like the early church had before all the religious bureaucrats showed up needing all the pomp & regalia we see today.

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Thanks Rick. Presumably He is telling us all different things because He has that sort of sense of humour? Or are we, as ever, not listening?

peace,

Anglian

Anglian said:

Not quite sure what you mean here. What is the 'Reformed magisterium'?

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The Reformed magisterium is the "Christianity" section of your local Barnes & Noble bookstore.

Anglian said:

Thanks Rick. Presumably He is telling us all different things because He has that sort of sense of humour? Or are we, as ever, not listening?

peace,

Anglian

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He does have a great sense of humor, but the same thing can sound like something else when expressed differently. And some things are less important to have uniformity on every specific thereof.
Start with conforming with whatever requirements you need to fulfill the two commandments Jesus said were the greatest, and everything from there forth should settle into place without too much fuss.
Listen for those two commandments being fulfilled.

Rick Otto said:

He does have a great sense of humor, but the same thing can sound like something else when expressed differently. And some things are less important to have uniformity on every specific thereof.
Start with conforming with whatever requirements you need to fulfill the two commandments Jesus said were the greatest, and everything from there forth should settle into place without too much fuss.
Listen for those two commandments being fulfilled.

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Indeed - again, thanks Rick.

I think much of what seems to divide us is summed up in your formulation here:
the same thing can sound like something else when expressed differently.
peace,

Anglian

Chesterton said:

The Reformed magisterium is the "Christianity" section of your local Barnes & Noble bookstore.

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Freedom of the press is a good correlation to freedom of religion, which the papacy denounced in the document "Syllabus of Errors":
Statements the encyclical condemned as false include the following:

• "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church." (No. 55)
• "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." (No. 15) and that "it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship." (No. 78)

(from Wikipedia)

Here's the spin from New Advent:

"It is astounding how fearlessly he fought, in the midst of many and severe trials, against the false liberalism which threatened to destroy the very essence of faith and religion. In his Encyclical "Quanta Cura" of 8 December, 1864, he condemned sixteen propositions touching on errors of the age. This Encyclical was accompanied by the famous "Syllabus errorum", a table of eighty previously censured propositions bearing on pantheism, naturalism, rationalism, indifferentism, socialism, communism, freemasonry, and the various kinds of religious liberalism. Though misunderstandings and malice combined in representing the Syllabus as a veritable embodiment of religious narrow-mindedness and cringing servility to papal authority, it has done an inestimable service to the Church and to society at large by unmasking the false liberalism which had begun to insinuate its subtle poison into the very marrow of Catholicism.

Anglian said:

Indeed - again, thanks Rick.

I think much of what seems to divide us is summed up in your formulation here:
the same thing can sound like something else when expressed differently.
peace,

Anglian

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The other half of it is that what sounds like the same thing can work out to mean totaly opposite things. But that requires a cognitive dissonance that allows for constant redefinition to exploit ambiguities in service of our preferences.

All that makes it recognizable for what it is.
I could start you out at a Lutheran church & we could visit the degrees of protestantism all the way thru to tounge talkin' snake handlers that literalize more than just the eucharist.
Of even more exotic interest is the stories of missionaries of every stripe who can relate experiences with the supernatural.

Rick Otto said:

Freedom of the press is a good correlation to freedom of religion, which the papacy denounced in the document "Syllabus of Errors":

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Bless you, Rick, your faith in liberalism's eternal cooexistence with religion is possibly easier where you live than in a Europe where the State is increasingly insisting that the Churches do it the State's way or else.

If you think that your religion is a purely private matter and should have no influence on the State, that is fine, as long as the State does not control all schools and hospitals; where it does, it can (and in the UK does) insist that schools teach abortion and that doctors and nurses practice it; it also insists that gay partnerships are 'marriages'. Those Christians who object to such things are being told to take a hike.

Sounds a bit like that 'false liberalism' you took to be spin.


Still, guess the USA is the whole world and what goes there is all that matters?

peace,

Anglian

Rick Otto said:

The other half of it is that what sounds like the same thing can work out to mean totaly opposite things. But that requires a cognitive dissonance that allows for constant redefinition to exploit ambiguities in service of our preferences.

All that makes it recognizable for what it is.
I could start you out at a Lutheran church & we could visit the degrees of protestantism all the way thru to tounge talkin' snake handlers that literalize more than just the eucharist.
Of even more exotic interest is the stories of missionaries of every stripe who can relate experiences with the supernatural.

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My main problem with Protestantism is that it is like Heinz 57, but with more varieties.

The Copts, bless 'em, have been doing just what they are doing now for nearly two thousand years - why switch to some new-fangled stuff which may be the trend of the moment, but forgotten tomorrow or the day after?

Snake handlers, scorpion treaders, seen 'em, wondered at them, and remain content with the Eucharistic feast which truly feeds me - even after six weeks of fasting

peace,

Anglian

Anglian said:

My main problem with Protestantism is that it is like Heinz 57, but with more varieties.

The Copts, bless 'em, have been doing just what they are doing now for nearly two thousand years - why switch to some new-fangled stuff which may be the trend of the moment, but forgotten tomorrow or the day after?

Snake handlers, scorpion treaders, seen 'em, wondered at them, and remain content with the Eucharistic feast which truly feeds me - even after six weeks of fasting

peace,

Anglian

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You fasted for 6 weeks?! What all does that entail?
The only time I fast is between breakfast, lunch, dinner [with a few snacks inbetween ] My wife and I may need to try a fast for a few days sometime

http://www.christianforums.com/t7434966/#post53989284
"Fasting to Be Seen Only by God" ...

LittleLambofJesus said:

You fasted for 6 weeks?! What all does that entail?
The only time I fast is between breakfast, lunch, dinner [with a few snacks inbetween ] My wife and I may need to try a fast for a few days sometime

http://www.christianforums.com/t7434966/#post53989284
"Fasting to Be Seen Only by God" ...

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We don't eat between sun-rise and sunset. We drink only water. We abstain from meat; Essentially we adopt a vegan diet.

It explains why so many Orthodox get cranky about this time of the year

peace,

Anglian

p.s. as you say, this is seen only by God, and for my part, I keep craving steaks

A

Fasts can be structured in ways besides total abstinence, Steve.
Anglian, you have done exactly what every other Christian of every other stripe has done. Chosen for himself.
Ya gotta go with what works for you brother, no matter however new or old the "fangle" be.

Anglian said:

We don't eat between sun-rise and sunset. We drink only water. We abstain from meat; Essentially we adopt a vegan diet.

It explains why so many Orthodox get cranky about this time of the year

peace,

Anglian

p.s. as you say, this is seen only by God, and for my part, I keep craving steaks

A

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Another words, the "Daniel Diet"

NKJV] Daniel 1:11 15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king's delicacies.
16 Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Another words, the "Daniel Diet"

NKJV] Daniel 1:11 15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king's delicacies.
16 Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables.

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pretty much

Yup, ya just gotta keep downwind of us

peace,

Anglian

Anglian said:

Yup, ya just gotta keep downwind of us

peace,

Anglian

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Not in Texas you would

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LittleLambofJesus said:

Not in Texas you would

YouTube - Blazing Saddles --Farting Cowboys- Greatest Fart Scene of All Time

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LOL

Hand me down that can o beans

peace,

Anglian