Siddur

The Artscroll is kind of the "gold standard". I hear excellent things about the new
Koren Sacks siddur, although I haven't seen it yet.

I have two, the Artscroll and Siddur Sim Shalom. My favorite and most user friendly is the Sim Shalom.

ChavaK said:

The Artscroll is kind of the "gold standard". I hear excellent things about the new
Koren Sacks siddur, although I haven't seen it yet.

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I have it, it is very nice.

Talmidah said:

I have it, it is very nice.

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What do you like about it? And how is it different from the Artscroll?

TheDude28 said:

I have two questions. Do you folks use a Siddur to pray with and if so which one? I bought the Artscroll one and I like it a lot.

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what is really cool about the Sidur is the pictures you see painted thru reading and praying along with it(and singing as many if not all are set to song)

I love to compare these prayers to the NT as we have soooo many teachings in the NT that reflect back to the Sidur as well as other writings.

I especially love the references to the resurrection and the Messianic Kingdom....my absolute fav

We are running out of time to prepare for Passover. My wife and I are not Jews, so purchasing a $300 prayer book seems expensive? We simply want the Seddur prayers for the sunset 13 Nisan, and the prayers for roast lamb dinner during the day on 14 Nisan.

We like Orthodox becasue of Jesus, but not the 15 Nisan stuff. I guess the 15th is an Annual High Shabbat Day? From what I read.

Is there an English translation on the Internet? We only need the prayers up to Shabbat Eve.

We are running out of time to prepare for Passover. My wife and I are not Jews, so purchasing a $300 prayer book seems expensive.

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$300 for a siddur???

calmone said:

$300 for a siddur???

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Hello calmone, and glad to meet you,

Yes, the orthodox seddur prayer book that I found was $300.

The Catholics have a much abbreviated Christian version of the Passover Seder that they do on "Holy Thrusday". This year we would like to forget about "Holy Thursday" and follow the same Seddur that Jesus followed except for the actural taking the lamb to the temple.

Can you help us?

There are more $300 Siddur prayer books, but this is the one I was thinking about because of the discount. What do guys think about this one?

Word by Word - The Complete Hebrew Prayer Bundle - Siddur Hebrew Prayer English Translation Siddur Artscroll

The Artscroll is very popular but the English translation part is dreadfully wooden and stale. Also, any transliterations from the Hebrew are done with the Ashkenazi pronounciation, which is quite weird. However, it is quite thorough and handy to have around.

I would have thought that modern day Messianics would be tripping over themselves to get Tim Hegg's siddur. I have a copy of it and it's not bad for use by Messianics, I would imagine.

banish'd said:

Hello calmone, and glad to meet you,

Yes, the orthodox seddur prayer book that I found was $300.

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You can buy them a lot cheaper than that!

The Catholics have a much abbreviated Christian version of the Passover Seder that they do on "Holy Thrusday". This year we would like to forget about "Holy Thursday" and follow the same Seddur that Jesus followed except for the actural taking the lamb to the temple.

Can you help us?

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Not sure why I see the point of forgetting Holy Thursday. After all, the reason for that celebration is because of what Jesus did on that day. Whether or not the Last Supper was a seder or not is open to debate anyway. Many among the Eastern Orthodox believe it was a kiddush, and not a Pesach Seder.

You won't be able to find the exact same seder Jesus used because it doesn't exist (nor will you find such a thing as a Siddur from that time). Judaism then and now can only be practiced and understood with the tradition of the people and the rabbis, which is a living tradition, not a dead fixed one. Jesus followed this tradition as far as we can tell.

For the record, you can buy a Pesach Haggadah for a few bucks or download one for free from the Lubavitchers complete with instructions.

ContraMundum said:

The Artscroll is very popular but the English translation part is dreadfully wooden and stale. Also, any transliterations from the Hebrew are done with the Ashkenazi pronounciation, which is quite weird. However, it is quite thorough and handy to have around.

I would have thought that modern day Messianics would be tripping over themselves to get Tim Hegg's siddur. I have a copy of it and it's not bad for use by Messianics, I would imagine.

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I have artscroll's Sephardi Siddur. I'd LOVE to get Tim Hegg's - but the price is right now out of our budget- not to mention if I order that, I need to order other things, and import is so expensive..

HadassahSukkot said:

I have artscroll's Sephardi Siddur.

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Out of curiosity, why'd you choos the Sephardic siddur?

ContraMundum said:

You can buy them a lot cheaper than that!

Not sure why I see the point of forgetting Holy Thursday. After all, the reason for that celebration is because of what Jesus did on that day. Whether or not the Last Supper was a seder or not is open to debate anyway. Many among the Eastern Orthodox believe it was a kiddush, and not a Pesach Seder.

You won't be able to find the exact same seder Jesus used because it doesn't exist (nor will you find such a thing as a Siddur from that time). Judaism then and now can only be practiced and understood with the tradition of the people and the rabbis, which is a living tradition, not a dead fixed one. Jesus followed this tradition as far as we can tell.

For the record, you can buy a Pesach Haggadah for a few bucks or download one for free from the Lubavitchers complete with instructions.

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Hello ContraMundum,

That should be easy to answer, I hope? Remember, Some people claim that Easter Sunday is a Pagan holiday. I don't know? On the Gregorian Calendar, Passover begins at sundown on Sunday, March 28, 2010 which is (Palm Sunday).

Unleavened Bread, which is the (Last Supper), begins at sundown on Monday March 29, 2010.

Firstfruits, the day (Jesus was risen) starts at sundown on Saturday April 3, 2010, so Easter Sunday will be on April 4th, 2010.

Holy Thursday, the day that the Catholics celebrate Passover, falls on April 1, 2010 which is 3 days after Passover as it is authorized by the Torah on Nisan 14.

So, we are planning on using the Catholic Seder 3 days early, so that we will keep the biblical Passover on Nisan 14. (which starts Sundown on Palm Sunday, March 29, 2010).

Okay, with that question answered, here is my question. The Catholic Seder looks pretty good to me, but I would like to know if it's good enough for a christian Passover Seder? If not, which Jewish Seder should I purchased?

Here is the Link for the Holy Thursday Seder.

Christian Seder Meal - For Holy Thursday

banish'd said:

Hello ContraMundum,

That should be easy to answer, I hope? Remember, Some people claim that Easter Sunday is a Pagan holiday. I don't know? On the Gregorian Calendar, Passover begins at sundown on Sunday, March 28, 2010 which is (Palm Sunday).

Unleavened Bread, which is the (Last Supper), begins at sundown on Monday March 29, 2010.

Firstfruits, the day (Jesus was risen) starts at sundown on Saturday April 3, 2010, so Easter Sunday will be on April 4th, 2010.

Holy Thursday, the day that the Catholics celebrate Passover, falls on April 1, 2010 which is 3 days after Passover as it is authorized by the Torah on Nisan 14.

So, we are planning on using the Catholic Seder 3 days early, so that we will keep the biblical Passover on Nisan 14. (which starts Sundown on Palm Sunday, March 29, 2010).

Okay, with that question answered, here is my question. The Catholic Seder looks pretty good to me, but I would like to know if it's good enough for a christian Passover Seder? If not, which Jewish Seder should I purchased?

Here is the Link for the Holy Thursday Seder.

Christian Seder Meal - For Holy Thursday

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The reason Easter is different is because it commemorates a single event in time that is connected not to days of the year or festive occasions but to a first day of the week resurrection- it must fall on a Sunday, hence the variations between calendars.

For me- it's a relatively easy question to answer: celebrate Pesach according to the Jewish calendar and other religious events according to the church calendar (neither calendar is "exactly right" anyway as both have changed a lot in history) This preserves the timing of both Pesach and the first day resurrection.

ChavaK said:

Out of curiosity, why'd you choos the Sephardic siddur?

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Until Hadassah mentioned it I had completely forgotten that Artscroll even made a Sephardic Siddur. I ought to get one myself.

I would choose it because those transliterations (if they have them) would sound more familiar, and I think eventually the accent of Ashkenazi Hebrew will begin to wane with the nation of Israel adopting the Sephardic accent as "official". However, I guess there is always the idea that a Scotsman will never lose his accent. Doesn't matter I guess, except I know Israeli Jews who cannot understand a Torah being read in an Ashkenazi accent.

Because you are in the USA, it is much more common for you to be familiar with the Ashkenazi accent, so I suppose your siddur of choice would be in accord with that. Oy oy oy.

ContraMundum said:

Because you are in the USA, it is much more common for you to be familiar with the Ashkenazi accent, so I suppose your siddur of choice would be in accord with that. Oy oy oy.

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I go to an Ashkenazi shul, but we use the Artscroll Sephardi siddur.
Ever since the shul was founded- almost a 100 years ago-it's used
Sephardic siddurim. No one seems to know why. At home I
use the Artscroll nusach Ashkenaz.