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Ocean, man can explain how things they made were created. If you try to explain how one who created you was created, does that not mean that you can re-create him?

a warning to everyone trying to dethrone Yahweh: if you do not re-assess what you're doing and repent of the actions accompanied with it, you shall recieve Hell for eternity. It's up to you, you're liable for what you now know.
 
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a warning to everyone trying to dethrone Yahweh: if you do not re-assess what you're doing and repent of the actions accompanied with it, you shall recieve Hell for eternity. It's up to you, you're liable for what you now know.

Is that a threat? Is that how your God shows his love, through extortion?
 
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okay guys.  play nice.  people have a right to their own opinion, either way.  but don't put down what another person believes or does not believe to be true.

btw, unitedistand, a few of the animals we have today were originally water animals.  they had to adapt to survive.  evolution does not speak of mutations.

consciousness has always existed.  all animals are conscious.  many are very intelligent and can communicate with each other, just in a different way than we.  our ability to learn and communicate has improved over time as we have discovered new and improved ways of doing so.

okay, off to class.

smiles,

damaris
 
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Originally posted by unitedistand
Ocean, man can explain how things they made were created. If you try to explain how one who created you was created, does that not mean that you can re-create him?

a warning to everyone trying to dethrone Yahweh: if you do not re-assess what you're doing and repent of the actions accompanied with it, you shall recieve Hell for eternity. It's up to you, you're liable for what you now know.

*RANT MODE ON*

Ooo.... a warning! Straight from the "Shut Your Mouth and Do as You're Told" School of Theology.

I'm going to file that one right next to "God loves you. So love him back... OR ELSE!"

*RANT MODE OFF*
 
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Or to paraphrase Carlin: "It's all based on the idea that there's this figure in the sky, who knows everything and sees everything and is supersmart. And he loves you. And if you don't do what he says, he'll roast you forever in Hell. But, and this is key, He loves you.".

My child can be a real stinker some time, but I sort of draw the line at eternal punishment. Which makes me wonder: If I can't think of a crime that isn't, ultimately, forgivable (although, in cases like genocide, it'll take a lot to get to that point), why does God have harsher standards?

It's all about forgiveness these days, right? And love? I mean, that was Jesus' message. Forgiveness and love. I seem to be better at it than God. Which is a scary statement there, eh?
 
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Originally posted by Morat
Or to paraphrase Carlin: "It's all based on the idea that there's this figure in the sky, who knows everything and sees everything and is supersmart. And he loves you. And if you don't do what he says, he'll roast you forever in Hell. But, and this is key, He loves you.".



Don't forget ".....and he wants your money!"

:D
 
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"Why is it when a mutation happens, it always ends up with deformity? "

People with the sickle cell anemia mutation are more resistant to malaria then those without the mutation. A single mutation that occurs in a handful of Italian families allows them live comfortably with cholesterol levels that would be lethal huge potential of a food source considering the amount of nylon in our garbage dumps). Are these mutation not beneficial? None of them are deformities.
 
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Everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't make there opinion right.

Science won't save us but it has done more to benefit humanity than any other human activity(IMHO). Let the record show that, Science has helped us to live longer, and more prosperiously than religion. Is it perfect? No. Has it caused harm? Perhaps. But that is the way it is with knowledge.
 
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Often, natural selection is brought into the evolution vs intelligent design discussion with no real understanding of why. If natural selection is the key driving point to the "theory" of evolution, it would simply result in the strongest or most suited individuals of one TYPE of creature passing their genes to the next generation. What results is more of the same TYPE of creature. How does natural selection turn a fish into a frog? Here's another bit of food for thought: how do you account for the "unlucky" chaps that just happen to fall prey to predition even though they may be the best suited of the bunch? What I'm asking is, Is it possible for the fastest, strongest, most dominant, and most superior specimen of any given animal to get eaten, ill, struck by a freak lightning bolt, run over by a car, knocked off a high place and dashed upon jagged rocks? How do THESE occurances turn a fish to a frog, lizard to a dog, or cow to a whale?
Another idea brough to bear is mutation. Please, someone show me how mutations bring about new types of creatures and not just variation within a species. Creationism does not deny or even contend against the idea of variation within a species. What we, the kooky, Bible-thumping, religious zealot Creationists want to know is: when (where's the proof) does mutation (which BTW are more often than not, neutral or detrimental to the individual) turn one type of creature into a different creature? The only thing proven by mutations is that the second law of thermodynamics is true. It states (I'm paraphrasing) that all matter, over time, goes from an ordered state into a progressively more disorderly state. In a word, atrophy!
The genetic code DNA within any give species is fixed. It has not been proven that this in any way, changes.
Someone earlier (seesaw), mentioned that there are many proofs of evolution. I'd like that same individual to answer just this one question with real, qualifiable, quantifiable, undeniable, recreatable, and scientific PROOF!
Before we get to the question, let me kill one of your most likely, and unfortunately, already proven false replies: archeopterix.
Here's the question...When, where, why and how did: Reptiles change to birds? (The lungs, bones, eyes,reproductive organs, heart, method of locomotion, body covering, etc., are all very different!)
I look forward to you providing the evidence that hundreds of University-trained, published, and highly acclaimed evolutionists have as of yet been unable to provide.
 
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Someone earlier (seesaw), mentioned that there are many proofs of evolution. I'd like that same individual to answer just this one question with real, qualifiable, quantifiable, undeniable, recreatable, and scientific PROOF!

Where did I say PROOF. I know there is no proof. DUH! I said there is lot of credible evidence.
 
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Originally posted by Chuck_Darwin
Everyone has a right to their opinion, but that doesn't make there opinion right.

Science won't save us but it has done more to benefit humanity than any other human activity(IMHO). Let the record show that, Science has helped us to live longer, and more prosperiously than religion. Is it perfect? No. Has it caused harm? Perhaps. But that is the way it is with knowledge.

 

My friend, Adam lived 930 years.  Science has not extended our lives to anywhere near that mark.  Oh, BTW he does not hold the record for the longest life.  I would love to give you the answer, but would prefer, if you'd really like to know for yourself, that you personally search the scriptures.

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.  Romans 10:17

 
 
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Originally posted by seesaw
Where did I say PROOF. I know there is no proof. DUH! I said there is lot of credible evidence.

In science, evidence equates to proof my friend.  Please do not evade the question.  Give me "credible evidence" within the definitions of science that shows how, when, why etc. lizards became birds.  Just one piece  of credible evidence will do.

Webster's Concise Dictionary of the English Language defines CREDIBLE:  Capable of being believed; RELIABLE.

 
 
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Originally posted by evolisamyth
In science, evidence equates to proof my friend.  Please do not evade the question.  Give me "credible evidence" within the definitions of science that shows how, when, why etc. lizards became birds.  Just one piece  of credible evidence will do.

Webster's Concise Dictionary of the English Language defines CREDIBLE:  Capable of being believed; RELIABLE.

 

LOL.. no my friend in science evidence is not proof. There is evidence for all or all most all theories but not all of them have proof. Like the theory of gravity it's not proven, but there is evidence backing it up.

I don't have a link for evidence of macroevolution. Good evidence for creationist is a speices that we know, gives birth to a new speices. But people have posted evidence of macroevolution on the forum just look or I can show you.
 
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