sabbath practice

Torah613 · Jul 10, 2008

Henaynei said:
those who have no access to a shoket and so do their best with what they do have, clean animals only and salting/soaking, are essentially no different from the Jews who for centuries wore a tallit with tzitzit without the blue thread, because they had lost the way to make the blue, so some wore only white threads and some sects used a black thread in it's place, and then called it kosher..... or the Jewish people who have replaced the sacrifices in the Temple with prayer, tzedaka and fasting (which it says NO where in Torah is acceptable as a replacement, nothing is *ever* stated as a replacement) for the Yom Kippur and other sacrifices....

in *all* these cases (lack of a shoket, lack of the blue dye and lack of a sacrifice) the Jeswish people have made great efforts to come as close as they can to the commandmemt as a statement to HaShem that they *know* it is not *purely* "kosher" in any of these (and numerous similar adaptations they have made over the centuries) situations but they are making a sincere effort to come as close as possible .... until such time as HaShem himself provides a way to be *truly* kosher ....

1. no amount of salting/soaking can make a non shecht animal Kosher.

2. And how are you to make Tekhelet for tzitzis? What shade of blue?

You see, all these questions are hashed out completely in Oral Torah ("Both these and those are the words of HaShem"). Just as is the concept of Moshiach (which is also nowhere directly mentioned in the Tanakh).

what I find strangest about chr*stianity is that it has picked and chosen areas of the Oral Torah that it wishes to follow, completely ignores others, and then says some things are man-made traditions when in fact they are not. Tzedakah, Teffilah, and fasting were essential to redemption when the Beis HaMikdash was standing. Because it is no longer possible to make sacrifices, we now only keep the first three.

May the Beis HaMikdash be rebuilt speedily and in our day.

Yochanan

Lulav · Jul 10, 2008

when the mitzvot are written upon the fleshly heart, do you need fringes to remind you still?

Torah613 · Jul 10, 2008

that's like asking if a Tzaddik has the mitzvoth memorized, if he still needs to do them.

The answer is of course.

It is Halacha. There is no other acceptable Jewish alternative.

Yochanan

Talmidah · Jul 10, 2008

Torah613 said:
The answer is of course.

It is Halacha. There is no other acceptable Jewish alternative.

ShirChadash · Jul 10, 2008

Lulav said:
when the mitzvot are written upon the fleshly heart, do you need fringes to remind you still?

Lulav, IMO when something is "on your heart" it is on your heart to DO it. ("It's on my heart to call my mother today", so is it sufficient that it is on your heart -- you're thinking of calling? Or is it on your heart to DO it?) I don't understand how you can even ask the above, knowing that if G-d's commands are on your heart, they are on your heart to DO them, and that INCLUDES the commands concerning the wearing of the tzitziyot.

Torah613 · Jul 10, 2008

ShirChadash said:
Lulav, IMO when something is "on your heart" it is on your heart to DO it. ("It's on my heart to call my mother today", so is it sufficient that it is on your heart -- you're thinking of calling? Or is it on your heart to DO it?) I don't understand how you can even ask the above, knowing that if G-d's commands are on your heart, they are on your heart to DO them, and that INCLUDES the commands concerning the wearing of the tzitziyot.

And why the querry to begin with since tzitzis is a commandment for men only?

yochanan

ShirChadash · Jul 10, 2008

Torah613 said:
And why the querry to begin with since tzitzis is a commandment for men only?

yochanan

*shrug*

I sure dunno either lol

anisavta · Jul 10, 2008

When I see tzitziyot, it stirs what is in my heart to rememberance. I remember that I must set my heart on HaShem and Him alone. And it is my opinion that tzitzit are for women too. The command was for b'nai Israel not just ish. There was one of the sages who's name I can't remember off hand who made tzitzit for his wife and tied them to her apron.

ChazakEmunah · Jul 10, 2008

visionary said:
So swinging the chicken and wringing its neck over my head is out?

Was that *supposed* to be an insult?

ShirChadash · Jul 10, 2008

visionary said:
So swinging the chicken and wringing its neck over my head is out?

ooooooooooh good one

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*sniffle* is there NO limit to what she will try to appropriate?

ChazakEmunah · Jul 10, 2008

Lulav said:
when the mitzvot are written upon the fleshly heart, do you need fringes to remind you still?

Torah613 said:
that's like asking if a Tzaddik has the mitzvoth memorized, if he still needs to do them.

The answer is of course.

It is Halacha. There is no other acceptable Jewish alternative.

Yochanan

Ya know, I couldn't have said it better. IF the mitzvot are written upon your heart (which is a mitzvah in and of itself btw) then observing them is simply a natural expression of what is already there. If they're not written on your heart, then there will be no outward expression.

anisavta · Jul 10, 2008

ChazakEmunah said:
Ya know, I couldn't have said it better. IF the mitzvot are written upon your heart (which is a mitzvah in and of itself btw) then observing them is simply a natural expression of what is already there. If they're not written on your heart, then there will be no outward expression.

There can be outward expression of things not written on the heart - but it will be dead words and actions.

ChavaK · Jul 10, 2008

when the mitzvot are written upon the fleshy heart, do you need
fringes to remind you still?

Apparently G-d thinks so:

They shall make themselves tzitzit on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and they shall place on the tzitzit of each corner a thread of techeilet. And it shall be tzitzit for you, and you will see it, and you will remember all the mitzvot of the L-RD and do them and not follow your heart or your eyes and run after them. -Numbers 15:38-40

Torah613 · Jul 11, 2008

Chazak and Chava, I can't rep you guys because I have given too much reps lately.

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