The Resurrection of the Dead [split from When will Jesus return?]

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

jeffweeder said:
When you see Jesus for real, do you think you will see the holes in his hands and feet.

Will you see scares on his forehead and back?

Or will there be no evidence of the crucifixtion.?

Just a thought.

The "resurrection of the dead” will not bring the undead out of their graves. The resurrection of the dead is a resurrection of the living, a rebirth of the spirit, like nothing one can imagine.

tall73 · Mar 24, 2007

mike1reynolds said:
While I do not wish this thread to be moved to the Paterology, Christology & Pneumatology board, I have to point out that “Firstfruit” and “Firstfruits” are terms used only in the Old Testament.

Many more thoughts to come, but I have an urgent Trinitarian matter to attend to now...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Christ's resurrection was the fulfillment of the wavesheaf service, rising the day after the Sabbath, after the passover.

Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:10 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
Lev 23:11 And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

tall73 said:
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Woops! I had some technical difficulties with biblegateway.com. (I was very tired and failed to notice that there was a second page of hits) Sorry Melethiel!

Anyway, perhaps I am all alone in this as a Christian, but I am quite certain that Jews arent expecting the resurrection of the dead to be Night of the Living Dead, but rather a figurative resurrection of the spirit.

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

The dreaded double post effect...

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

Melethiel said:
No, I am referring to the times after the Resurrection where He is said to have walked through locked doors, or simply appeared among the disciples.

He was doing that sort of thing before the resurrection:[bible]Luke 4:29-30[/bible]

Melethiel said:
Jesus, is however, described as the firstfruits of the Resurrection. He was raised into a new body that was still physical. Our resurrection will be similar.

In Luke 20 Jesus seems to indicate that the resurrection refers to an afterlife state. Im not saying the resurrection of the dead refers exclusively to an afterlife state, since that would contradict my whole thesis, but Luke 20:35 certainly emphasizes the non-physical aspects of resurrection:

27 Also there came to Him some Sadducees, those who say that there is no resurrection. 28 And they asked Him a question, saying, Teacher, Moses wrote for us [a law] that if a man's brother dies, leaving a wife and no children, the man shall take the woman and raise up offspring for his brother.(D) 29 Now there were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died without [having any] children. 30 And the second 31 And then the third took her, and in like manner all seven, and they died, leaving no children. 32 Last of all, the woman died also. 33 Now in the resurrection whose wife will the woman be? For the seven married her.

34 And Jesus said to them, The people of this world and present age marry and are given in marriage; 35 But those who are considered worthy to gain that other world and that future age and to attain to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage;36 For they cannot die again, but they are angel-like and equal to angels. And being sons of and sharers in the resurrection, they are sons of God. 37 But that the dead are raised from death]--even Moses made known and showed in the passage concerning the [burning] bush, where he calls the Lord, The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 Now He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to Him all men are alive [whether in the body or out of it] and they are alive [not dead] unto Him [in definite relationship to Him].

Taken too literally this would be a prediction of the extermination of the human race, since if there is no marriage after the resurrection, then there can be no children either.

Have you ever read or heard a synopsis of Childhoods End by Arthur C. Clark? It is a Sci-Fi depiction of precisely such a rapture-like extermination where all the children under a certain age become a single mind and loose all interest in, well, just about everything. After all of their elders finally die off they all leap into space, destroying the Earth in the wake of their transformation. It is not a comforting or uplifting book at all. I found the ending oppressive, depressing and fatalistic.

I think this is one of those things like whether or not John the Baptist was the return of Elijah:
[bible]John 1:21[/bible]
[bible]Matthew 11:14[/bible]

The Bible is not always crystal clear.

Melethiel said:
I will look up the pertinent Scripture tonight, because I'm going from memory here.

Me too, this is definitely forcing me to do some research.

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

There are gods and there are men. There are goddesses and there are women. For a god to love a woman, or a goddess to love a man, is like inappropriate behavior with animals. Just as animals have nephesh, a kind of collective undifferentiated soul that is something less than the differentiated soul of humans, the gods have oversouls, a collective soul incarnate in a single person. Christ is unfragmented, the only undivided oversoul incarnate in a single person in the entire universe.

The resurrection of the dead is the time when we find our twin flame, the rest of our oversoul. The mortals will find their soulmates, something lesser, but we will find our Twin Flame.

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

She's a soulfull
flower in the garden

She's bobbing in the sunlight
and flirting with her eyes

The way she walks by,
I see a wave of color
moving like an angel
trailing butterflies

Give me water
give me inspiration
I want to speak now
but I can't find a word

So unforgiving is my infatuation
Now that I know
she walks upon the earth
she walks this earth

I am restless
Burning with desire
And every other heartbeat
I beat just for her

I see her smiling
full as my emotion
This is no illusion
but how can I be heard?

Give me water,
give me inspiration
I want to speak now,
but I can't find a word

So unforgiving is this infatuation

now that I know
she walks upon this earth
she walks this earth

She walks this earth

Give me water,
give me inspiration
I need to hold her
like no one else before

So unforgiving is my infatuation
now that I know,
she walks upon the earth

she walks this earth

She walks this earth

She walks this earth

mike1reynolds · Mar 24, 2007

Souls, in of themselves, are not really so important. It is how They fit together that really matters.

mike1reynolds · Mar 25, 2007

O môr henion i dhu:
Ely siriar, el síla
Ai! Aníron Undómiel

Tiro! El eria e mor.
I 'lir en el luitha 'uren.
Ai! Aniron...

Translation:

From darkness I understand the night:
dreams flow, a star shines
Ah! I desire Evenstar

Look! A star rises out of the darkness
The song of the star enchants my heart
Ah! I desire...

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Sleaker · Apr 2, 2007

well back on topic.. Since i have no clue why the poetry was posted or what it even has to do with this thread...

1st of all someone asked will Jesus have his scars in heaven:
Jesus had the holes in his hands when he went up into heaven and I believe there was a verse describing him and how he still bore the marks of his death. But If he ascended with them, then there's a probably a good chance he bears them still.

Someone mentioned something about the physical not being intended to last for eternity but I think there were some things looked over. When God created man he intended man to live forever, with God in the Garden. Man was originally designed to live forever, so to say that our physical selves aren't supposed to live forever is contradicting what God did in the beginning. Sure sin entered, but it only corrupted what was supposed to be an eternal thing, which is why God kicked Adam out of the Garden, not as punishment but because he loved Adam and knew what would happen if Adam did live forever on the physical earth.

mike1reynolds · Apr 2, 2007

Sleaker said:
well back on topic.. Since i have no clue why the poetry was posted or what it even has to do with this thread...

I thought I was in love, but it was a false alarm. then I drank too much and got a bit moody about it.

Sleaker said:
1st of all someone asked will Jesus have his scars in heaven:
Jesus had the holes in his hands when he went up into heaven and I believe there was a verse describing him and how he still bore the marks of his death. But If he ascended with them, then there's a probably a good chance he bears them still.

Someone mentioned something about the physical not being intended to last for eternity but I think there were some things looked over. When God created man he intended man to live forever, with God in the Garden. Man was originally designed to live forever, so to say that our physical selves aren't supposed to live forever is contradicting what God did in the beginning. Sure sin entered, but it only corrupted what was supposed to be an eternal thing, which is why God kicked Adam out of the Garden, not as punishment but because he loved Adam and knew what would happen if Adam did live forever on the physical earth.

Where does it say in the Bible that Adam & Eve were at one time immortal?

Sleaker · Apr 3, 2007

Where does it say in the bible that we are not Eternal beings?

mike1reynolds · Apr 3, 2007

It says that souls are eternal, not bodies.

drmmjr · Apr 3, 2007

Where in scripture does it say that souls are eternal?

TruthMiner · Apr 3, 2007

drmmjr said:
Where in scripture does it say that souls are eternal?

Indeed.

The Bible even refers to dead bodies as souls.

We are mortals. That is our whole problem.

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