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B®ent, if all that is true, there will be definitely huge problem in current Astrology understandings. Do you understand the impact of this? How many people have been given inaccurate horoscope?

Anyway, you should fear for your life. Astrology is very profitable business and you're ruining some brilliant careers with your theory. It's good that you haven't prove it yet.
 
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Your picture shows Nibiru as an extremely large planet. If it where only 60,000,000 miles from the Earth's orbit, it's gravity would influence our orbit too much, jettisoning us outside the system.


Rubbish.

Mars is approximately 1.5 AU from the Sun. During winter the temperature gets below –200. Large bodies of water can not exist at this distance.

Mars is cold is due to its lack of an efficient greenhouse effect. The atmosphere on Mars is very thin. In fact, the surface pressure on Mars is roughly 1 / 1000th of that on the Earth's surface.

If only someone could find it. Till then, it doesn’t exist.

Shall I assume you don't believe Black Holes exist, then? What about Wormholes? There is not even a shred of evidence to support them, but many scientists seem to accept their existence as undeniable fact. Why do scientists pick and choose what hypotheses to believe?

Nope. It blocks it.

Water vapor doesn't block sunlight.

Your looking for a thing called greenhouse gasses. Water is not one of them.

*Yawn*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_gas#The_role_of_water_vapor
 
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Hmmm, that's actually interesting.

If Nibiru were 60,000,000 miles away and the same mass as the earth, the gravitational force would be

2.5763052630903E+17 newton

By comparison, the gravitational force in the earth-moon system is

1.8907012987013E+20 newton
so if Nibiru were the size of the earth, its gravitational influence would be about 1/1000 that of the moon.

Not a HUGE influence, to be sure, but also not insignificant or negligible. It would be enough to have a measurable, observable effect on our orbit, in the same way that Neptune has an influence on Uranus's orbit (and vice versa).
 
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Also, given the size of this supposed planet, it ought to have been observed not only by modern astronomers, but by ancient astronomers as well, who could easily see and track the planets from Mercury through Saturn.

As explained, it was kicked out of orbit. It now holds a highly elliptical orbit far away from the Sun. In fact, one revolution around the sun takes approximately 3,700 years. Currently it is several hundred AU from the sun. It is also possible that the planet is cloaked. Its inhabitants possess technology far greater than ours, so this would not surprise me.

Planet X is coming...
 
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B®ent;32305106 said:
As explained, it was kicked out of orbit. It now holds a highly elliptical orbit far away from the Sun. In fact, one revolution around the sun takes approximately 3,700 years. Currently it is several hundred AU from the sun. It is also possible that the planet is cloaked. Its inhabitants possess technology far greater than ours, so this would not surprise me.

Planet X is coming...
Evidence please. You can postulate anything if it is vague enough.
BTW, why on EARTH would the super aliens cloak their planet? Just to lend the facade of validity to your absolutely absurd claims?:scratch:
 
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In light of new Biblical findings last night, along with overwhelming evidence against the Jupiter-Star proposal, I will be revising the solar model in the near future. For the time being, I will be closing this thread. Thanks to everyone for their input. :thumbsup:
 
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B®ent;32305106 said:
As explained, it was kicked out of orbit. It now holds a highly elliptical orbit far away from the Sun. In fact, one revolution around the sun takes approximately 3,700 years. Currently it is several hundred AU from the sun. It is also possible that the planet is cloaked. Its inhabitants possess technology far greater than ours, so this would not surprise me.

Planet X is coming...



Well Brent, why not specify exactly how many AU distant it is? You know, right?

I'm gonna take a wild guess and say you don't know.

Well anyway, here's a problem.

1 A.U. is 1.496x1013 centimeters. You're proposing that this planet is currently "several hundred" astronomical units away. What's several hundred? Let's say 400 is a good enough distance, m'kay?

Let's even say that is it's furthest distance from the sun. That will be about 6,000,000,000,000 meters away.

Further, from that point, you're suggesting it will take about 1850 years for it to approach its closest distance to the sun. Fair enough. That's approximately 58,386,000,000 seconds.

This gives an average orbital speed of a mere 100.27 meters per second. To give you an idea of just how slow that is, a car driving 100 kilometers per hour (60 miles an hour) is driving at about 28 meters per second - so this planet is only about 4 times faster than a car on the highway, on average.

Now, let's make an estimation that halway through its orbit this planet is moving at this average speed. At this distance from the sun, the deceleration rate of the planet is 1.483x10-5 meters per square second. At a mere speed of 100 meters per second, given this deceleration rate, it would take only 156 days for the planet to stop and turn back around - not another 925 years. In the span of 156 days, even, the planet would only travel another 13 million kilometers, at that speed of 100 meters per second... not enough distance to reduce the deceleration rate enough to allow the planet to keep traveling for another 924.5 years.

However, let's also assume that right now the planet is 1850 years away from perihelion - that is, it's as far away as it can be right now. That means that the last time it came around was 1850 years ago, or about AD 150, give or take a few years.

Now, given that ancient astronomers could easily track objects the size of Mercury and Venus, there ought to be records of an object the size of earth suddenly appearing as a super-fast star in the sky, somewhere in the records of the Chinese, Hebrews, Greeks, Egyptians...


Ah, but there isn't.

Well, let's be fair and say that Nibiru last came through about 3500 years ago, and is now a mere 200 years away from coming close again.

That would mean its last pass was 1500 BC, approximately. Not clear that anyone would have recorded its coming back then.

However, if it is a mere 200 years away from closest approach, we'd actually be able to see it right now.



So pretty much no matter how you look at it, there ought to be either existing empirical evidence for this planet, or there ought to be new empirical evidence for this planet.

(and you thought that a degree in astrophysics was over-rated... boo.)
 
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B®ent;32307046 said:
In light of new Biblical findings last night, along with overwhelming evidence against the Jupiter-Star proposal, I will be revising the solar model in the near future. For the time being, I will be closing this thread. Thanks to everyone for their input. :thumbsup:
Admit it, you're not revising a "theory" of yours, you're revising a TV/Movie script you're working on and we're the Guinea pigs, right?

We're sort of like your test group to see if your Sci-Fi script will fly before sending it off to the studios. Then you can say, "Look! All these nice people on the forum liked it, and you will too!"

Tell me that's the truth and not that you actually believe any of this. I promise, if you make it big I wont even ask for royalties.
 
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Does anyone else feel slightly... violated, having read this thread? Does Brent ever produce evidence for his slightly worrying fantasies?
I'm used to it. I was trying to have a logical creation/evolution debate with my friends in American history class (we were a little off-subject), and their absolute lack of any logic or scientific knowledge astounded me. They could not get the "there is no 'before time'" argument. One of them actually said that one of his past teachers (at a Christian school) sent a cat bone to be carbon dated, and said the lab came back and said it was millions of years old, totally ignoring the limits of carbon-14 dating. He never answered me when I asked him how he knew the Bible was right. He just said he believed, and that any belief is fine, no matter how irrational.

(I have history tomorrow and plan to ask him exactly how Noah rounded up all of the millions of species of animals, fit them all on a boat, and then fed them all.)
 
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RealityCheck,

You don't impress me, but nice try.

What you call "fantasy" may be tomorrow's reality. And the fact of the matter is, someday you're going to find out that I am correct in what I say about Lucifer, the Nephilim, Rahab, Nibiru, the Bavarian Illuminati, and the Last Days. These freaks will rule the earth, and everyone (except for faithful Christians) will be deluded into worshiping Isis, the Queen of Heaven. The false prophet will be an Angelic-Humanoid hybrid. By the power of Satan, he will work wonders beyond our imagination.

2000 years ago, God sent His Son to die for our sins. You say you don't believe Lucifer exists. What do you believe about Jesus? :)

Soon, Satan will be sending his son...

Back to topic -

There is recorded history of Nibiru, most notably by the Sumerians, Chinese, and Babylonians. The Sumerians discovered Uranus, Neptune and Pluto thousands of years before western civilization. I suggest you review the information on this web site:

http://www.sitchin.com/

What you call "reality" I call boring.
Your 'reality' is slavery of the mind.
 
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http://www.badastronomy.com/

Especially these parts of said site:

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/index.html
about Mr Hoagland, the man behind the ludicrous enterprisemission site, and

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html
about the garbage concerning Nibiru/Planet x, Mr Sitchin, and that mother of all Nibiru nonsense, Ms Lieder.

If anyone has checked out that site and still makes claims about anything proposed by Hoagland & Co (except from "it's all junk!"), this anyone should seriously consider to commit herself to the loonie asylum.
 
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