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Greetings Eternallife,

I think YOUR ASSUMPTIONS, have already gotten you into trouble - with the scriptures.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

One of the most deceptive assumptioms made about end times is that all God is interested in is The Church (or the Church + Israel) and that everything written applies to them.
I see that God is in fact interested in ALL of His creation and that His plan includes completion of each of the seven covenants the He has made with peoples.
Revelation is an outline of this. With this in mind the other questions of pre/ mid/ post/post mil/ pre wrath etc. all comes into focus. "Why?" you ask. Well now you dont have to try and apply all scripture to the one group of people.

Eternalife said:

Let's go slow through points A through F. Do you understand point A, that once we see the Antichrist in place as the abomination of desolation, we could live evilly up to three and a half years? If you agree with this then you must agree that there is something wrong with this onlyist position. If you disagree? Why? Sure seems rock solid point to me.

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A. Were the entire body of believers to be raptured after the Tribulation, there would again be no need for us to watch and wait and be prepared. Knowing that the Lord would not come before the end of the three and a half year's period, we could live evilly up to three years five months and twenty-nine days. Yet such a concept violates the very principle of the Scriptures.

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Greetings Eternalife,

Can you or anyone else tell me WHEN the last 3 1/2 years begins? It may have begun yesterday, or last month or last year, and most would never know it. I, just as much as you, believe:

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Oh, but you are speaking of:

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)

Here again, we do not see a day or hour in view, but notice what occurs next AFTER this event:

Matthew 24:21-22 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

To whom is Jesus referring? Most pre-tribbers, in order to escape the unanswered question to their doctrine, say that this only applies to the Jews, but one lie is followed by another, because then they have to face:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Colossians 3:11-12 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. 12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;

Romans 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

I hope you see that ALL that are Christ's are considered "the elect".

Do you see how one lie spawns another deception on the part of the pre-trib doctrine?

Next?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

How will the Tribulation Saints be recieved bodily into heaven? Will they be raptured from their grave after the Church is taken 3 1/2 years earlier?
Rev 20:6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
This is telling me that you better not have a part of the second resurrection and as far as I can tell there is only one that is going to take place for the Church and those that miss it are, well, "Sorry out of Luck". There is no second chance for those that miss the first resurrection. Therefore what remains for them is wrath.
Sorry Captain Steel, you should have listend to your wife and kept your eyes off Hati.
Rev 20:11-14
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; (second resurrection) and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Notice that these dead are judged by "books" and then compaired with the book of life. Judgement is made by their works then when the book of life is searched for the name of that person, he joins death and hell in the lake of fire which is the second death.
Please I beg of you, do not trust this "I will not go through tribulation" gospel. It is dangerous teaching.

The only way to be assured to escape and be kept from not just trail but the hour (the time) of trial is by first rapture.

And the only way to escape (Matt. 24.37,40-41, Rev. 7.9) for certain is be watchful, prayerful and keeping the word of his patience (Rev. 3.10) to be accounted worthy (Luke 21.36). This is not a merely earthly distancing goshen, this is something fantastic. This occurs before 7th seal opens the 7 trumpets of Tribulation.

You could live evilly up to the last day since you will know the day He arrives and so you will.
You are looking for the Antichrist not Jesus, first since Antichrist in your reality comes first.
Because you are looking for the Antichrist first, you take away the hope of the church, which includes the blessing of escaping if you are overcoming.
Jesus comes as a thief never proceeded by a band of trumpets, and always steals the best.
The 12 apostles were Jews too, a Jewish remnant. See Matt. 10.5-6, 23.3.
You fail to see the difference between the coming for the saints and coming with the saints. It is a problem with distinguishing between the rapture and the appearing.
Furthermore, what you believe, would make Revelation not a book of revelation because it would take doctors of philosophy and learned historians to comprehend it according to your system. And it would make it entirely too difficult for the average child of God to understand it. From the point of the 7th trumpet resurrection without a rapture at first rapture, that would making Revelation fulfilled up to chapter 17; that is just not right.

Day by day your spirit will harden. You should realize that there is a principle that few know about. It is this,

"once you go post-trib, you never go back to pre-trib, and once you go partial rapture, you never go back to post-trib".

This is the blessing of Rev. 1.3 and the testimony of the greatest partial rapture believers that ever lived like GH Pember, Watchman Nee, DM Panton.