Lynn73 said:He didn't lose His deity by being clothed in flesh. See Colossians 2:9
its talking about the risen Christ
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Lynn73 said:He didn't lose His deity by being clothed in flesh. See Colossians 2:9
ImSoBlessed said:i don't care what your church believes..the Word was made flesh Christ came on the earth as man not as God....he stepped from his throne and embodied a physical being...God doesn't die. doesn't eat doesn't sleep... but Jesus did all those things because he was a man...
Psa 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
My comment was a relatively generic one directed toward any religious organization that discourages its members from searching the scriptures, prayerfully seeking the Holy Spirit's guidance or otherwise thinking for themselves; it was not meant to reference any church that does not do those things. Thank you for making the distinction with regard to your church.vanshan said:The Orthodox Church would condemn anyone following the dictates of a "church leader" unless those teachings were confirmed by the universal Church and shown to be the truths established by Christ and maintained as the deposit of faith passed down from the beginning. We are not the Roman Catholic Church--we don't believe any church leader has the ability to change the truth established by Christ, as I believe the popes have.Sinai said:And now we finally get to what is apparently really sticking in Mr. Carlton's craw: If individuals have the right to study the scriptures for themselves, to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance, and to think for themselves instead of being required to follow whatever interpretation their church leader dictates, they might come to a different interpretation than Mr. Carlton or some other church leader wants them to believe. I suspect that the Taliban would agree with Mr. Carlton on this point.....
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Sorry you apparently think I mischaracterized something Mr. Carlton said. If you will explain what you think I mischaracterized, I will attempt to respond. But thank you for sharing your thoughts in any event.Sinai said:Not according to Southern Baptist doctrine. The sovereign is God--not the individual, not some church leader, but God.
Mr. Carlton may be referring to Baptists' historical support for religious liberty for all persons. As Dr. Herschel H. Hobbs wrote in his book The Baptist Faith and Message: "[Baptists] insist upon the lordship of Jesus Christ and the authority of the Scriptures. But they also insist that every man shall be free to decide for himself in matters of religion. Baptists have ever been the champions of soul freedom, not for themselves alone but for all men. Thus it is that Baptists believe that a person has the right to be a Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, Jew, infidel, atheist, or whatever he chooses to be. Baptists believe that they are under divine compulsion to preach to all men the gospel as they understand it. But they endeavor to win men by persuasion through the power of the Holy Spirit, not through coercion of any kind.
"So in reality Baptists are the most broad-minded of all people in religion. They grant to every man the right that he shall be free to believe as he wants. But they insist upon the same right for themselves. The moment that a Baptist seeks to coerce another person--even another Baptist--in matters of religion, he violates the basic belief of Baptists."
This should help explain the other quotations and statements set out in your OP. It might also be noted that Baptists and Protestants are not alone in changing stances or interpretations over the centuries. Perhaps the primary differance is not that changes occur, but rather in the manner the denominations make those changes. Most Christian denominations' policies or creeds tend to be set out by that church's leader or leaders--whether such leader be called a president, priest, prophet, pope or other term (which does not necessarily have to begin with the letter P, by the way). Baptists tend to empower from the bottom up instead of from the top down--but that does not mean that any of those denominations is not under the overall direction of God through the Holy Spirit.
Again, Mr. Carlton seems to be missing the mark. The objections that many Baptists (and some other Protestants) have to pledging allegiance to a man-made creed or to placing that creed in a higher position than the scriptures themselves is not necessarily that they disagree with any of the contents of that creed. Rather, the objection is with the way creeds and other definitions have historically been used by various churchs and church leaders to coerce others to march in lock step with what that church leader wants them to do and believe. Again, Baptists have historically believed in religious freedom for all people--not in forced dogma.
And now we finally get to what is apparently really sticking in Mr. Carlton's craw: If individuals have the right to study the scriptures for themselves, to seek the Holy Spirit's guidance, and to think for themselves instead of being required to follow whatever interpretation their church leader dictates, they might come to a different interpretation than Mr. Carlton or some other church leader wants them to believe. I suspect that the Taliban would agree with Mr. Carlton on this point.....elizabethevangeline said:Wow, you managed to read a lot into that quote. I suspect you were just looking for way to jump on your soap box with your own accusations.
And is referencing the Taliban the new substitute for Nazi?
AskSeekKnock said:I go to a Southern Baptist Church. Before going there I was going to Assembly of GOd, then A Methodist Church, and then a Prespreterian ( sorry for my misspelling ). This SBC is the greatest church i've been to. Speaking of Biblical Truth, I believe that the SBC speaks and is founded on Biblical Truth and I am insulted for others to think less.
Well said.Egghead said:We are warned in scripture that false prophets and wolves would be there from the beginning as well, and striking the flock from within seemingly.
So "existed from the beginning" means little to nothing.
bytheway said:Well said.
And this doesnt mean that the Church ever ceased to exist.
ImSoBlessed said:i don't care what your church believes..the Word was made flesh Christ came on the earth as man not as God....he stepped from his throne and embodied a physical being...God doesn't die. doesn't eat doesn't sleep... but Jesus did all those things because he was a man...
Psa 121:4 Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
Not all churches faltered, for Christ said that His Church would be able to withstand the gates of hell.mysteryman said:all churches are faltered, can you ever read you Bibles or are THEY just, dust on the shelf.
READ REVELATION CHAPTERS ________TWO AND THREE
ALL CHURCHES ______________- CAN'T YOU READ ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL7 ALL 7
WHY THEN DOES THE BOOK OF REVELATION EXIST ?
FOR JESUS TO COMPLETE WHAT WAS PROPHESIED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
H ____________________ELL____________________O
ALL SEVEN ALL SEVEN________ ALL _________________CORRUPT _______ BY WHO ?
EVIL PRESIDENTS EVIL KINGS ___________ FALSE PROPHETS
Scott_LaFrance said:Not all churches faltered, for Christ said that His Church would be able to withstand the gates of hell.
mysteryman said:all churches are faltered, can you ever read you Bibles or are THEY just, dust on the shelf.
READ REVELATION CHAPTERS ________TWO AND THREE
ALL CHURCHES ______________- CAN'T YOU READ ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL 7 ALL7 ALL 7
WHY THEN DOES THE BOOK OF REVELATION EXIST ?
FOR JESUS TO COMPLETE WHAT WAS PROPHESIED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
H ____________________ELL____________________O
ALL SEVEN ALL SEVEN________ ALL _________________CORRUPT _______ BY WHO ?
EVIL PRESIDENTS EVIL KINGS ___________ FALSE PROPHETS
And the Church is the brideof Christ, which has been created and perfected through Her Bridegroom which means that it will do much more than just endure, it will be victorious over it.racer said:Which simply means that no matter the trials and tribulations, the church will endure to the end. He never said the Church would be infallible, never err, never struggle . . . just that in the end the Church will still be here.
If I recall my military training and strategy correctly, the gates usually are what are being attacked rather than what is doing the attacking. Didn't Christ expect us to be on the offensive rather than the defensive in that particular quotation?Scott_LaFrance said:Not all churches faltered, for Christ said that His Church would be able to withstand the gates of hell.
Sinai said:Sorry you apparently think I mischaracterized something Mr. Carlton said. If you will explain what you think I mischaracterized, I will attempt to respond. But thank you for sharing your thoughts in any event.
And no, I would not necessarily characterize the Taliban as being "the new substitute for Nazi"--though both of those groups went to rather extreme lengths to control the thoughts and actions of other people and to discourage free thought that might differ from the official established policy or edicts.
ImSoBlessed said:you guys call mary mother of god but she is not the Mother of God...when she had Jesus he was man...he came to this earth as a man not as God....