I believe that the 3 series of judgments are concurrent, has anyone else studied and/or believes this view. Also what are your opinions on the 7 thunderers. Peace, but not yet.
Originally posted by MARANATHA2002
I believe that the 3 series of judgments are concurrent, has anyone else studied and/or believes this view. Also what are your opinions on the 7 thunderers. Peace, but not yet.
Originally posted by Athlon4all
Hmmmm. Interesting Observation Manifestation. I think however, that it is rather impossible that the first 6 trumptes have already occured because one for example is the diming of the sun. The Sun, the Moon and all the stars in the universe will lose A Third of their light (Rev. 8:10, 11), and surely at least Roman History records would have recorded such an event.
Good point Athlon4all but did you know this type of language was used before? This was language depicting the great tribulation in Israel. This kind of language was used by God before in picturing His awful judgment on nations and it's people. Take, for example, the case of the prophesied fall of Babylon to the Medes in 539BC., and how God used this celestial and universal language to describe the judgment that would come upon her:
"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. "And I will punish the world for their evil..." (Isaiah 13:9-11).
This applied to Babylon, as mentioned in verse 1. "The fall of Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darken xiii. 9,10.
Now note the prophecy of Ezekiel against Egypt:
"And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. "All the bright lights of heaven will make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD" (Ezekiel 32:7-7). This applied to Egypt, as mentioned in vss. 2, 12-16.
And further note in Amos 8:9, "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at moon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day." This had reference to the northern kingdom.
"And this very destruction of Jerusalem is represented by the Prophet Joel, in chapter 2:30-32. "And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke, Then sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord has said, Among the remnant whom the Lord calls. This had reference to Jerusalem as mentioned by Joel vs.30-32 This general mode of describing these judgment leaves no room to doubt the propriety of its application in the present case.
This is not language that signifies an absolutely literal, materialistic, or natural fulfillment, as can be discovered by anyone who honestly studies these things. You remember that Peter used similar language on the day of Pentecost when he quoted from Joel 2: and said (this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel) "And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come" (Acts 2:17, 19-20).
Peter said those (were the days) These events at Pentecost happened in "the last days" of the Jewish age, and in connection with the anticipation of the "day of the Lord." This had nothing to do with any prediction of a futuristic (to us day of the Lord or Armageddon, but had everything in the world to do with that cataclysmic event of the coming of Christ in judgment upon Israel in those days. The "blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke" remained as proof that God had come on the scene, and Jesus was who he said he was (Matthew 26:62-64)
" `the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.
This was language depicting the great tribulation in Israel. This kind of language was used by God before in picturing His awful judgment on nations and it's people. Take, for example, the case of the prophesied fall of Babylon to the Medes in 539BC., and how God used this celestial and universal language to describe the judgment that would come upon her:
"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate; and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. "For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. "And I will punish the world for their evil..." (Isaiah 13:9-11).
This applied to Babylon, as mentioned in verse 1. "The fall of Babylon is represented by the stars and constellations of heaven withdrawing their light, and the sun and moon being darken xiii. 9,10.
Now note the prophecy of Ezekiel against Egypt:
"And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. "All the bright lights of heaven will make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD" (Ezekiel 32:7-7). This applied to Egypt, as mentioned in vss. 2, 12-16.
And further note in Amos 8:9, "And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at moon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day." This had reference to the northern kingdom.
"And this very destruction of Jerusalem is represented by the Prophet Joel, in chapter 2:30-32. "And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: Blood and fire and pillars of smoke, Then sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, As the Lord has said, Among the remnant whom the Lord calls. This had reference to Jerusalem as mentioned by Joel vs.30-32 This general mode of describing these judgment leaves no room to doubt the propriety of its application in the present case.
This is not language that signifies an absolutely literal, materialistic, or natural fulfillment, as can be discovered by anyone who honestly studies these things. You remember that Peter used similar language on the day of Pentecost when he quoted from Joel 2: and said (this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel) "And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come" (Acts 2:17, 19-20).
Peter said those (were the days) These events at Pentecost happened in "the last days" of the Jewish age, and in connection with the anticipation of the "day of the Lord." This had nothing to do with any prediction of a futuristic (to us day of the Lord or Armageddon, but had everything in the world to do with that cataclysmic event of the coming of Christ in judgment upon Israel in those days. The "blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke" remained as proof that God had come on the scene, and Jesus was who he said he was (Matthew 26:62-64)