Why do people hate ICE...

[BCP1928]

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Incorrect. When it comes to this it is both theological and cultural. Because Islamist teaching combines religion and government as a national governance. Religion controls the people through the government and the government uses religion to control the people. If we fail to grasp that theological truth then we fail to see the danger it brings.

Yes that is a very important question. Cultural differences are extremely important things to consider when deciding who should be partners with us in our country. Something the Danes had to figure out. Because when you allow just anyone in with different cultures then they can start to change yours.

Muslims have placed themselves there. They have placed themselves in the exclusionary camp because they fail to assimilate. Why? Because of their religion, which rejects western ideology, culture and values. They seek to alter the western way and change it to the Islamist way. They come from third world countries with their uneducated backgrounds and their third world values and culture that is guided by their religious belief systems, they cant speak the language and separate themselves from the western civilization and demand we change OUR ways and you want to blame the west? How nonsensical is that?

Absolutely, and Christ utterly rejected false teachings. He warned us of letting the strong man into our house. The scripture is filled with warnings about false prophets and false teaching. Warned us not to let them in. Islam is an anathema to Christianity.

That being said, Christianity vs Iskam is NOT relevant to the debate whether or not we should be allowing people from Islamist third world states into the country. This is not a religion vs religion debate.

It is absolutely a religious cultural vs culture debate. Most if the countries that are facing these issues are not Christian countries. In Denmark it is a very leftist progressive non-religious country. But they have realized that these third world religious Islamist people are harming their culture and country. Because they won't assimilate. Other countries are recognizing this as well. And its time America wake up to the danger as well.

How have they failed to assimilate? This has been thrown around in the forum frequently, but no specifics have ever been given.

 

[Valletta]

....immigrants are being swept up in Steven Miller's drag net. The daily acts of cruelty reflect a country whose government has no regard for human beings.

They used them as pawns all in a quest for one-party control of the country.

 

[Pommer]

They used them as pawns all in a quest for one-party control of the country.

How so?

 

[DaisyDay]

He did not do that then either. That's a dishonest representation of what happened. And the Supreme Court did allow much of his ban to stand.

Watch who you call dishonest, bub.

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/07/458836388/trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-u-s

Donald Trump made a drastic call on Monday for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski clarified that the ban would apply to "everyone," including tourists, according to ABC.
​

Muslim Travel Ban - Immigration History

The "Muslim Ban" refers to a series of the Trump administration's executive orders that prohibited travel and refugee resettlement from select predominately Muslim countries. After several legal challenges, the Supreme Court upheld most provisions of a third version of the ban.

immigrationhistory.org

Follow the links on that page.

No.

That's something...good.

 

[rjs330]

Watch who you call dishonest, bub.

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/07/458836388/trump-calls-for-total-and-complete-shutdown-of-muslims-entering-u-s

Donald Trump made a drastic call on Monday for "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on."

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski clarified that the ban would apply to "everyone," including tourists, according to ABC.
​

Follow the links on that page.

That's something...good.

Read the link. The ban was not seven Muslim countries. It was not a total ban. Your first link was for what he said during his campaign. When he was president he did not ban all Muslims. The Suoreme court upheld the majority of his ban. That was not a failure.

 

[DaisyDay]

Read the link. The ban was not seven Muslim countries. It was not a total ban. Your first link was for what he said during his campaign. When he was president he did not ban all Muslims. The Suoreme court upheld the majority of his ban. That was not a failure.

I didn't say he was successful at it. Read the links within the links!

 

[essentialsaltes]

Well-known Palm Beach restaurateur detained, held at Alligator Alcatraz

A longtime Palm Beach County restaurant manager and business owner — known to many as the face of BiCE Ristorante on Worth Avenue and the operator behind the Tacos Agave food truck in West Palm Beach — remains in federal immigration custody after what his attorney says began as a routine traffic stop.

According to Gonzalez’s attorney, the initial stop was conducted by the Florida Highway Patrol (FHP), not local police or immigration agents. The attorney said troopers pulled the truck over because the window tint was allegedly too dark. Gonzalez was driving at the time, with his nephew in the vehicle, the attorney said.

The attorney said Gonzalez has a valid work permit connected to an ongoing immigration or asylum case. Even so, the lawyer said Gonzalez was moved between multiple detention facilities before being transferred to the state-run immigration detention site commonly known as Alligator Alcatraz, where he is currently being held.

“Knowing that a man that’s been involved in this community for 30 years, giving back to everyone — from dignitaries, ambassadors, CEOs, Fortune 500 companies, the super-wealthy, or everyday people — he did it with love and support every day,” [fellow restauranteur] Schmidt said.

Well-known Palm Beach restaurateur detained, held at Alligator Alcatraz

A Palm Beach restaurateur connected to BiCE and Tacos Agave remains detained after a traffic stop led to ICE custody.

cbs12.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

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These cases have often wilted under scrutiny. In nearly 50 instances that we have identified so far, charges have never been filed or the cases were dismissed. Our count found a handful of citizens have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanors.

Key findings of an AP analysis examining federal prosecutions of protesters​

An analysis of 166 federal criminal cases brought since May against people in four Democratic-led cities at the epicenter of demonstrations found that aggressive charging decisions and rhetoric painting defendants as domestic terrorists have frequently failed to hold up in court.

[Although some have pleaded guilty, there are zero convictions in cases that went to trial.]

Key findings of an AP analysis examining federal prosecutions of protesters

The Justice Department has embarked on a months-long effort to prosecute people accused of assaulting federal officers while protesting President Donald Trump’s immigration policies.

apnews.com

 

[camille70]

ICE Says U.S. Citizen’s Birth Certificate Is Fake After Arresting Her: Attorneys


Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.

Trump Administration Says Maryland Woman's Birth Certificate Is Fake In Dystopian Move

Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Valletta]

....immigrants are being swept up in Steven Miller's drag net. The daily acts of cruelty reflect a country whose government has no regard for human beings.

The cruelty was letting unvetted criminals into our country and implementing policies that brought human trafficking in our country to a level not seen since the Civil War. The daily acts of cruelty continue because many of the children lost by the Biden administration still have not been found.

 

[DaisyDay]

ICE Says U.S. Citizen’s Birth Certificate Is Fake After Arresting Her: Attorneys


Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.

Trump Administration Says Maryland Woman's Birth Certificate Is Fake In Dystopian Move

Dulce Consuelo Diaz Morales was arrested on Sunday. ICE won’t release her despite extensive documentation of her citizenship, her attorneys told HuffPost.

www.huffpost.com

They don't have to do it this way, with such deliberate cruelty.

 

[Valletta]

They don't have to do it this way, with such deliberate cruelty.

There is nothing about deliberate cruelty in the article. Remember this is the Huffington Post, they are rather like The View, they play to an audience.
If she can come up with a U.S. birth certificate that a court of law rules is legitimate the judge will see she is released.

 

[camille70]

There is nothing about deliberate cruelty in the article. Remember this is the Huffington Post, they are rather like The View, they play to an audience.
If she can come up with a U.S. birth certificate that a court of law rules is legitimate the judge will see she is released.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-ice-detained-citizenship-proof.html

Could You Prove You’re a Citizen?
For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.

 

[Valletta]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-ice-detained-citizenship-proof.html

Could You Prove You’re a Citizen?
For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.

We've been flooded with 10 to 20 million new people in four years. Because of this mass attack on our Constitution and laws and way of life a lot of people are going to be deported. Already one mistake was made by ICE when they sent a gang member to El Salavador despite the fact a court had ordered he not be sent there, so the mistake had to be corrected. So too local police and courts sometimes get it wrong. Lenell Jeeter was as innocent as could be but found guilty and sentenced to prison. While I hope that no citizen gets deported, because of the sheer numbers due to the Biden administration policies, it could happen some day. If that ever happens I expect it to be corrected. And I would hope that those in the Biden administration and those that supported their actions open their wallets and pay some compensation.

 

[Pommer]

We've been flooded with 10 to 20 million new people in four years. Because of this mass attack on our Constitution and laws and way of life a lot of people are going to be deported. Already one mistake was made by ICE when they sent a gang member to El Salavador despite the fact a court had ordered he not be sent there, so the mistake had to be corrected. So too local police and courts sometimes get it wrong. Lenell Jeeter was as innocent as could be but found guilty and sentenced to prison. While I hope that no citizen gets deported, because of the sheer numbers due to the Biden administration policies, it could happen some day. If that ever happens I expect it to be corrected. And I would hope that those in the Biden administration and those that supported their actions open their wallets and pay some compensation.

When will the Trump (2.0) Administration begin to accept responsibility for the drastic need to remove undocumented immigrants from our nation?
Maybe mistakes are more likely to happen if ICE and CBP are under administration pressures to produce numbers to meet quotas?

 

[Valletta]

When will the Trump (2.0) Administration begin to accept responsibility for the drastic need to remove undocumented immigrants from our nation?
Maybe mistakes are more likely to happen if ICE and CBP are under administration pressures to produce numbers to meet quotas?

They are under a lot of pressure from threats to their lives and to their families. We keep asking for people, particularly political leaders, to tone down the rhetoric but they won't do it. They claim freedom of speech. There's a time factor too. The faster they get the most violent criminals out of the country the more victims will be saved. That includes those who are trafficked as well as citizens of our country.

 

[Pommer]

They are under a lot of pressure from threats to their lives and to their families. We keep asking for people, particularly political leaders, to tone down the rhetoric but they won't do it. They claim freedom of speech. There's a time factor too. The faster they get the most violent criminals out of the country the more victims will be saved. That includes those who are trafficked as well as citizens of our country.

Concerns about a Chief-Executive putting such pressure on Agencies to deport people, maybe, possibly getting s few wrong and deporting American citizens, (for no ‘good reason‘, other than to satisfy “policy”), will tend to produce what looks like enflamed rhetoric; that doesn’t make it ‘not true’.

 

[Valletta]

Concerns about a Chief-Executive putting such pressure on Agencies to deport people, maybe, possibly getting s few wrong and deporting American citizens, (for no ‘good reason‘, other than to satisfy “policy”), will tend to produce what looks like enflamed rhetoric; that doesn’t make it ‘not true’.

The violent rhetoric has been going on since before Trump won the presidency.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

We've been flooded with 10 to 20 million new people in four years. Because of this mass attack on our Constitution and laws and way of life a lot of people are going to be deported. Already one mistake was made by ICE when they sent a gang member to El Salavador despite the fact a court had ordered he not be sent there, so the mistake had to be corrected. So too local police and courts sometimes get it wrong. Lenell Jeeter was as innocent as could be but found guilty and sentenced to prison. While I hope that no citizen gets deported, because of the sheer numbers due to the Biden administration policies, it could happen some day. If that ever happens I expect it to be corrected. And I would hope that those in the Biden administration and those that supported their actions open their wallets and pay some compensation.

Where does the number of 10-20 million over 4 years come from? Did really 6800-13600 persons successfully sneak into the US on a daily basis?

 

[Valletta]

Where does the number of 10-20 million over 4 years come from? Did really 6800-13600 persons successfully sneak into the US on a daily basis?

The Biden administration even secretly flew people in while claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed. No one knows for sure how many got through the lax security.