Why do people hate ICE...

[Stopped_lurking]

To be clear, it was Trump's number. Trump has negative credibility on numbers as his credibility is down over 300% in the last few years.

Ah, it's like the "500%, 600%, 700% and more" cheaper prescription drugs.

 

[Belk]

I have no reason to doubt what I've heard Tom Homan say about the situation. And the logical conclusion is there wouldn't be zillions of extra illegal aliens for ICE to have to deal with, if it hadn't been for the Biden administration's mishandling border control. According to Homan and others currently in charge of border control, immigration, and national security.

You can't think of any reason "the previous administration is to blame" might be overblown?

I'm reporting what I've heard. and also yes, drawing obvious conclusions based on what I've heard. And read. But I'm not making any claims like "I know for a fact that 10,963,824.2 illegal aliens have come into the United States since May 23, 2021".

Sorry but I don't see blaming Biden for CBP and ICE not exercising constitutionally required caution as an obvious conclusion. That strikes me much more in the "pretty lame excuse" category.

 

[Servus]

He thinks "at least 20 million" in total, that is a different claim that Valetta's.

This is what I asked.


Your clip doesn't seem to be answering that question, does it? The 10.5 million was what came to the border (unclear over which time period he is talking about though). He also states 2 million known gotaways. That is Homans words.

I'm not interested in this line of debate. I'm just mentioning what I've heard and read. You can take it or leave it. I'm not out to prove anything so you can dispence with the grilling routine. Save it for someone else.

 

[Servus]

You can't think of any reason "the previous administration is to blame" might be overblown?

You mean like a conspiracy theory?

Sorry but I don't see blaming Biden for CBP and ICE not exercising constitutionally required caution as an obvious conclusion. That strikes me much more in the "pretty lame excuse" category.

The Biden admin at best sat on their hands and just let it happen. Probably because the democrat party these days seems to want as many illegal aliens in the US as possible. They've been fighting tooth and nail against ICE and border control. It's very simple math. Democrat politicians = the more illegal aliens the better. They've come right out and said as much.

 

[BCP1928]

You mean like a conspiracy theory?

The Biden admin at best sat on their hands and just let it happen. Probably because the democrat party these days seems to want as many illegal aliens in the US as possible. They've been the ones fighting tooth and nail against border control and deportation.

So you make something up instead of coming through with a real answer.

 

[Servus]

So you make something up

Democrats are blatantly in favor of a large population of illegal immigrants to anyone who watches and or reads the news.

instead of coming through with a real answer.

Which is what? Save time and bandwidth and just tell me exactly what you want me to say.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I'm not interested in this line of debate. I'm just mentioning what I've heard and read. You can take it or leave it. I'm not out to prove anything so you can dispence with the grilling routine. Save it for someone else.

But what you have presented was not relevant to my question (a migrant caravan from Trump's first presidency, and quotes for another question). You interjected yourself into the conversation, if it wasn't meant to try to answer my question why quote me?

 

[Belk]

You mean like a conspiracy theory?

No, I mean like a reason to doubt the word of Thomas Holman.

The Biden admin at best sat on their hands and just let it happen. Probably because the democrat party these days seems to want as many illegal aliens in the US as possible. They've been fighting tooth and nail against ICE and border control. It's very simple math. Democrat politicians = the more illegal aliens the better. They've come right out and said as much.

That is an interesting theory.

I don't see how it relates to my objection that violating the 4th amendment rights of citizens is an issue we should hold the current administration to account for, not the previous one as you suggested?

 

[Servus]

But what you have presented was not relevant to my question (a migrant caravan from Trump's first presidency, and quotes for another question). You interjected yourself into the conversation, if it wasn't meant to try to answer my question why quote me?

Seems quoting you was a mistake. I'll try not to make that mistake in the future.

 

[Servus]

No, I mean like a reason to doubt the word of Thomas Holman.

That's up to you. I however see none.

That is an interesting theory.

I don't see how it relates to my objection that violating the 4th amendment rights of citizens is an issue we should hold the current administration to account for, not the previous one as you suggested?

They're not citizens, they're illegal aliens in the act of committing a crime by being here illegally. The previous Democrat administration did nothing about it. The Democrat administration before that, lead by the "Deporter in Chief", did quite a lot.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Democrats are blatantly in favor of a large population of illegal immigrants to anyone who watches and or reads the news.

It's just not so.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The previous Democrat administration did nothing about it. The Democrat administration before that, lead by the "Deporter in Chief", did quite a lot.

Biden comes in second place for most people deported. After Obama.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html

 

[Servus]

Biden comes in second place for most people deported. After Obama.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/trump-biden-immigrants-deportations.html

Well apparently he let far more in than he deported.

 

[Servus]

It's just not so.

Then why are they complaining about how much we need illegal aliens?

 

[rjs330]

It's just not so.

Of course it is. Thats why they are trying so hard to obstruct and prevent ICE and border patrol from doing their job.

 

[Belk]

That's up to you. I however see none.

Yes, I was pointing one out. Seems the point will continue to elude you though.

They're not citizens, they're illegal aliens in the act of committing a crime by being here illegally. The previous Democrat administration did nothing about it. The Democrat administration before that, lead by the "Deporter in Chief", did quite a lot.

I see. So the citizens who it would be Biden's fault for Trump detaining are now no longer citizens but "Illegal aliens"?

 

[Servus]

Yes, I was pointing one out. Seems the point will continue to elude you though.

Disagree = elude. Good to know.

I see. So the citizens who it would be Biden's fault for Trump detaining are now no longer citizens but "Illegal aliens"?

Huh?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Then why are they complaining about how much we need illegal aliens?

Are they? I'm complaining about the obvious absurdities, cruelties and illegalities of the militarized response to the immigrant situation.

 

[Servus]

Are they? I'm complaining about the obvious absurdities, cruelties and illegalities of the militarized response to the immigrant situation.

Yes they are. It's happened a lot here. "We need our cheap labor illegal alien workforce. Who will do all the dirty work and pick our strawberries for us?". It's been likened to 19th century plantation owners complaining about losing their slave force.

 

[wing2000]

Yes they are. It's happened a lot here. "We need our cheap labor illegal alien workforce. Who will do all the dirty work and pick our strawberries for us?". It's been likened to 19th century plantation owners complaining about losing their slave force.

Recognizing that our country has relied on illegal labor since the Reagan administration is not complaining. Fix our immigration system to meet our labor demands.