Why do people hate ICE...

[Servus]

Where does the number of 10-20 million over 4 years come from? Did really 6800-13600 persons successfully sneak into the US on a daily basis?

Biden era daily caravans illegally entering the US:

 

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Biden era daily caravans illegally entering the US:

In 2018? Pretty sure Trump was president then.

Migrants begin to struggle as caravan advances in Mexico

NILTEPEC, Mexico — The migrant caravan slowly advancing through southern Mexico is demanding the Mexican government help its 4,000 participants reach Mexico City even as a smaller group of Central …

nypost.com

I think the largest caravans was a couple of thousands big, there was two or three of those per day that got through?

 

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The Biden administration even secretly flew people in while claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed. No one knows for sure how many got through the lax security.

So why do you give a number?

 

[Servus]

In 2018? Pretty sure Trump was president then.

Migrants begin to struggle as caravan advances in Mexico

NILTEPEC, Mexico — The migrant caravan slowly advancing through southern Mexico is demanding the Mexican government help its 4,000 participants reach Mexico City even as a smaller group of Central …

nypost.com

I think the largest caravans was a couple of thousands big, there was two or three of those per day that got through?

I just grabbed an image to demonstrate the volume. In 2018 certain people were complaining about them being detained. AOC was claiming they were having to drink out of toilets and so on. Those kinds of complaints stopped during the Biden era because they were allowed to flow in unchecked and unhindered.

 

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I just grabbed an image to demonstrate the volume. In 2018 certain people were complaining about them being detained. AOC was claiming they were having to drink out of toilets and so on. Those kinds of complaints stopped during the Biden era because they were allowed to flow in unchecked and unhindered.

So what was the volume? That was what I asked. For it to be 10 million it means that 6500 per day got away. While not impossible, it seems quite high so I wondered if anyone actually had any data on it.

 

[Servus]

So what was the volume? That was what I asked. For it to be 10 million it means that 6500 per day got away. While not impossible, it seems quite high so I wondered if anyone actually had any data on it.

According to what I've read; Tom Homen, U.S. Immigration and Customs, and Homeland Security state that over 10.5 million people entered the United States illegally from the southwestern border during the Biden administration.

Here's one source I found that hopefully explains it.

Southwest Land Border Encounters

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

 

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According to what I've read; Tom Homen, U.S. Immigration and Customs, and Homeland Security state that over 10.5 million people entered the United States illegally from the southwestern border during the Biden administration.

Link? Was that including those turned away? Because they are not in the US now.

Edited to add, that number is not the ones that successfully illegally got in from reading transcripts.

 

[Servus]

Link? Was that including those turned away? Because they are not in the US now.

I edited in a link in my last post. I'm not making any claims. I'm just saying what I've heard and read in the news over the last few months. If you need me to I can do a Google search for news articles for you.

 

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I edited in a link in my last post. I'm not making any claims. I'm just saying what I've heard and read in the news over the last few months. If you need me to I can do a Google search for news articles for you.

I know about that one, but that is data for encounters. All encounters add up to approximately 8-10 million, that was what Tom Homan alluded to. That is not getaways.

I did Google it that is why I knew that Homan didn't talk about those that actually got in. Now, you know to.

 

[Belk]

I edited in a link in my last post. I'm not making any claims. I'm just saying what I've heard and read in the news over the last few months. If you need me to I can do a Google search for news articles for you.

You have made multiple claims in this thread. Including the claim that any citizen deported would be Biden's fault. Is that something you are "just repeating what you heard" as well?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Where does the number of 10-20 million over 4 years come from? Did really 6800-13600 persons successfully sneak into the US on a daily basis?

It comes from the rotted brain of a presidential candidate. If it had any basis in reality, there would be posts of real data on these threads all the time.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Who hates ICE?

Hmmm.. The same people who hate IC:

1. Hate the laws that ICE has sworn to uphold
2. Hate the Democratic process that created the laws ICE has sworn to uphold
3. Seem to also hate Police
4. Seem to also hate the Military

They just seem to hate, that is what they do.

 

[Always in His Presence]

U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Population Reached a Record 14 Million in 2023​

Rotten brains aside - does not include got a ways.....

 

[Servus]

I know about that one, but that is data for encounters. All encounters add up to approximately 8-10 million, that was what Tom Homan alluded to. That is not getaways.

I did Google it that is why I knew that Homan didn't talk about those that actually got in. Now, you know to.

What I know is what I have heard Tom Homan say about it. But I'm not making any claims nor am I out to prove anything. I just know what I've heard from those in charge of such matters. Straight from the horse's mouth.

 

[BCP1928]

Who hates ICE?

Hmmm.. The same people who hate IC:

1. Hate the laws that ICE has sworn to uphold

Why? We would prefer that ICE follow them.

1. Hate the Democratic process that created the laws ICE has sworn to uphold

The Democratic process is being overridden by unchecked executive orders. That's what we hate.

1. Seem to also hate Police
2. Seem to also hate the Military

They just seem to hate, that is what they do.

Seem? Can't you do better than a self-serving fantasy?

 

[Servus]

You have made multiple claims in this thread. Including the claim that any citizen deported would be Biden's fault.

I have no reason to doubt what I've heard Tom Homan say about the situation. And the logical conclusion is there wouldn't be zillions of extra illegal aliens for ICE to have to deal with, if it hadn't been for the Biden administration's mishandling border control. According to Homan and others currently in charge of border control, immigration, and national security.

Is that something you are "just repeating what you heard" as well?

I'm reporting what I've heard. and also yes, drawing obvious conclusions based on what I've heard. And read. But I'm not making any claims like "I know for a fact that 10,963,824.2 illegal aliens have come into the United States since May 23, 2021".

 

[essentialsaltes]

AI

In 2019, estimates for the unauthorized immigrant (or "illegal alien") population in the U.S. hovered around 10.3 to 11.1 million people, with figures varying slightly by source, such as ~11.1 million from Statista/DHS

So Given the 14 million figure for 2023 means Biden era net increase was ~3.5 million

 

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What I know is what I have heard Tom Homan say about it.

Ok, what did Homan say about the number of new people in the in four years. This was the dialogue you commented on.

We've been flooded with 10 to 20 million new people in four years.

U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Population Reached a Record 14 Million in 2023​

Rotten brains aside - does not include got a ways.....

That is in total accumulated over a much longer time than 4 years, so that is a different claim than Valetta's. And it dosen't seem to add up to Valetta's number either.

 

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What I know is what I have heard Tom Homan say about it. But I'm not making any claims nor am I out to prove anything. I just know what I've heard from those in charge of such matters. Straight from the horse's mouth.

He thinks "at least 20 million" in total, that is a different claim that Valetta's.

This is what I asked.

Where does the number of 10-20 million over 4 years come from? Did really 6800-13600 persons successfully sneak into the US on a daily basis?

Your clip doesn't seem to be answering that question, does it? The 10.5 million was what came to the border (unclear over which time period he is talking about though). He also states 2 million known gotaways. That is Homans words.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That is in total accumulated over a much longer time than 4 years, so that is a different claim than Valetta's. And it dosen't seem to add up to Valetta's number either.

To be clear, it was Trump's number. Trump has negative credibility on numbers as his credibility is down over 300% in the last few years.