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[keras]

“2020 AD + 9.5 = 2029.5 AD Exactly 2000 years for the present Church age” -
The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

Subtract the AOD’s 3.5 years = AOD Jan next year!

I have never said I was infallible. I have said that the 3 1/2 years of world control by the 'beast', cannot be counted as part of the 2000 years of mankind's rule in this Christian era. This puts the glorious Return - to circa 2034.

It is evident from the tone and accusations of your posts, that you get some kind of gratification from knocking over soft targets. An Aussie trait.
What would be far more benefit to all concerned, would be positive comments and your idea of what will happen next.

This thread points out the many Prophesies about how the Christian believers will gather and live in all of the Holy Land. Before Jesus Returns.
A good Prophecy of this happening is in Psalms 107:1-43......Whoever is wise, let him take these things to heart.....

 

[Strong in Him]

Jesus said that Gods secrets are hidden from the wise and learned - Matthew 11:25
This fact is proved by how 'expert theologians' fail to agree amongst themselves.

Whereas everyone seems to disagree with you.

 

[keras]

Whereas everyone seems to disagree with you.

The people disagreed with the ancient Prophets too.
I promote what they said, so that is what I expect as well.

Does anyone really think that the Prophesies as Written in our Bibles, will never come to pass?
Who will actually occupy the Holy Land?
Psalms 37:29 The righteous peoples will possess the [Holy] land and will live there forever. Does anyone reject this?

The Prophetic Word is clear; the Holy peoples of God will be present in all of the Holy Land, BEFORE Jesus Returns. Revelation 7:9

 

[Strong in Him]

The people disagreed with the ancient Prophets too.
I promote what they said, so that is what I expect as well.

Does anyone really think that the Prophesies as Written in our Bibles, will never come to pass?
Who will actually occupy the Holy Land?
Psalms 37:29 The righteous peoples will possess the [Holy] land and will live there forever. Does anyone reject this?

The Prophetic Word is clear; the Holy peoples of God will be present in all of the Holy Land, BEFORE Jesus Returns. Revelation 7:9

So you say, and I disagree.

But I answered this because I thought I was in the controversial theology forum.
I don't often come into the Eschatology form because I don't generally like discussing end times.
So I'll leave you to it.

 

[eclipsenow]

I have never said I was infallible.

Yet you cannot help comparing yourself with OT prophets whose messages made it into the BIBLE!

Look at the arrogant presumption to be equal to scripture itself?

The people disagreed with the ancient Prophets too.​

I promote what they said, so that is what I expect as well.​

Oh, poor Keras, all out on his own like an OT prophet! (Martyrs complex.)
Oh - and as authoritative and accurate as one as well! (Claims to infallibility - and the RIGHT to demand obedience and respect!)

You can't have it both ways.

You can't say you never claimed infallibility, and yet also play OT prophet status!

You said you had "absolute certainty."

You said the Holy Spirit inspired your work, and that you could never have come up with all this on your own.

It turns out that is EXACTLY what you have done!

You are not casting pearls of wisdom around. You are spreading the "swine".
You are spreading false beliefs that might risk impressionable reader's faith in the gospel itself when your silly ideas do not come to pass.

Stop this!

History itself has shown you to be a false prophet!


Psalms 107:1-43......Whoever is wise, let him take these things to heart.....

means listen to the bible - and run a million miles from obsessive false prophets like yourself.

One day you're going to wake up and realise you've wasted every hour in this endeavour. The sheer time involved! Every hour of arguing here, patronising others, presenting yourself as oh-so-superior, writing your distracting and totally false blog.

Putting the emphasis on your opinions of politics and current affairs rather than Jesus and the gospel.

Equating Christianity's credibility with whether or not current events turn out the way you predict they will!

All false. All a chasing after the wind. The fact that you write with such arrogance and condensed to everyone around you makes it so much worse.

The blunt way I write to you is nothing about my being "Aussie" - as you would have it.

It's the inevitable result of your own tone.

Look at the last correspondent you engaged with above? See?

He's checked out.

This is the sort of thing where you'll be doing the dishes in years to come - and wince with embarrassment at the whole thing.

Please - just take down your blog, stop posting here, and try reading Paul Barnett's "Apocalypse Now and Then." And humble yourself! Listen to sermons by Timothy Keller and watch your heart for excitement over gospel truths, not your reading of current affairs.

You'll be doing yourself and your church and the world a favour.

 

[keras]

It turns out that is EXACTLY what you have done!

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Expect amazing and earth shaking things to happen before Jesus Returns. It's unfortunate that most people have no knowledge of God's intentions, all as Written in the Bible; but hidden from their understanding.

 

[eclipsenow]

It ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Um, I think in your case you're just making it up as you go along, and changing your mind as your previous "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY" crashes into history.

You've got less than 100 days for Israel to build a temple for the AOD! ​

Oh, and if you changed your mind somewhere along the way - what happened to it being a vision from God? To you being an OT prophet? To your "ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY"!?

"It ain't over till the fat lady sings - and she sung - but she changed her mind - now she's singing again - oh look! She's about to walk off stage. She's turned around. No - she's just motioning to someone. Now she's back at the microphone - having another go! Phew, now she's finally bowed, and is walking off stage. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the fat lady has finally.... oh no. Spoke to soon! She's turned around. She's walking back to them microphone! She's having ANOTHER go! She wants everyone watching her - and she's singing AGAIN! Won't someone tell her to stop!?"

You futurists are ALL absolutely certain that your navel gazing daydreaming has spat out the future - and it's absolutely clear and certain to you! And EVERYONE needs to stop and gape in awe! If they don't, they're not REALLY trying to follow God - or something!

Futurists like this are a dime a dozen.
It's all so "Ho hum, been there, done that."
Why do you think you're any different?

Especially when you've demonstrated time and again that your biblical theology is just so messed up!?

 

[keras]

You've got less than 100 days for Israel to build a temple for the AOD!

The desecration of the new Temple, 2 Thess 2:4, will happen 1260 days before Jesus Returns.
The Temple will be built by the Christan peoples, coming from far distant places. Zechariah 6:15 They will occupy all of the Holy Land, which will have been cleared and cleansed by the soon to happen; Lords Day of fiery wrath. Revelation 6:11-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

This scenario is what the Bible Prophets have told us will happen.
To deny and reject it, is tantamount to; deny and reject the whole Bible.

People who put up disgusting posters and who accuse others, are showing their true colours.
I should report you, but those who do see your nasty pictures and 'foaming at the mouth rants, can easily make up their own minds.
I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV

 

[Strong in Him]

I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV

I haven't "aligned with him" - I just liked the analogy of a singer finishing their song, changing their mind, returning to the stage etc etc.

By your own admission, you were wrong in 2012.
There may have been other times over the years when you have been mistaken about something, I don't know. There is a verse somewhere which says that if the trumpet does not sound a clear note, no one can prepare for battle.

 

[keras]

There may have been other times over the years when you have been mistaken about something,

Plenty of times! I'm only human.
But when I present what the Lords Prophets have said and people reject it, then they are 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.

Surely we can all see that some kind of dramatic event must come soon; to finally resolve the worlds problems. We Christians know the Return of Jesus will do that.
But we must take note of the many scriptures telling us about all the things which must happen before that Glorious Day. Luke 21:34-35

 

[Strong in Him]

Plenty of times! I'm only human.
But when I present what the Lords Prophets have said and people reject it, then they are 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater'.

That's because you don't understand, or won't accept, that you are posting your interpretation. Also, you have decided to apply various Scriptures to today.
Who says that a certain country will have nuclear bombs - not Zechariah, that's for sure. YOU have said that this is what Zechariah is saying in Zec 5 - a highly debateable conclusion.
And when people disagree with you - even your Pastor and those you refer to as "so called theologians"; instead of having the humility to say "maybe I need to look at this again", you adopt a martyr complex and say, "that's fine, they persecuted the prophets."

If you really were bringing some kind of message from God, I don't believe you'd be wrong. If there was something the Lord needed us all to know, he'd tell us, clearly, and his word would, I believe, be confirmed by others. John said we should test the spirits.

Surely we can all see that some kind of dramatic event must come soon; to finally resolve the worlds problems. We Christians know the Return of Jesus will do that.

Yes - but that's a long way from saying, "this will happen, then this - as mentioned by some OT prophets".

Jesus said that the Son of Man would come when people least expect him.
You seem to be saying that when X, Y and Z have taken place, then he will return and you give it 15-20 years.
I'm sticking with Jesus.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Yes, but 1 the context is biological because of the promise and the 2nd the context is a concept based on spiritual. It's not the same context.


Descendants = seed but that is exactly why God established Isaac. And what did he say about Isaac?

If the entire meaning was spiritual only, then that verse holds no purpose.

Racial favoritism is gone under the new covenant. There is no ethnic preference anymore. The whole theocratic focus on Israel, Jerusalem and the temple has been forever removed since the cross. The land focus of the old covenant is also totally removed under the new covenant to focus on the globe. The new covenant is focused on Christ, taking spiritual territory that exists in Him and reaching the nations.

God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34-35, Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:9, Colossians 3:25, 1 Peter 1:17). God shows no favoritism regard to a person’s nationality, color, social status, education, knowledge, family heritage, race, or gender. Basically, your birthplace, birthday or passport carries no merit with God. The exclusive nationalistic favor of one nation has been eternally removed in Christ to embrace both Jew and Gentile equally by faith. This will never be overturned. The sinner (of all nationalities) enters exclusively into communion with God through faith in Christ on an equal basis.

Outside of Christ and salvation there is no hope, no peace or no favor. Before salvation man is bound by sin, blinded by the devil, and destined for hell. Salvation, by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone is the only means of delivering us from this awful state. This is basic 101 biblical salvation.

Unsaved Israelis are no different from unsaved Irishmen or unsaved Italians. They have no more favor today or are they any less deceived. Israelis are not excluded, but they get it by grace, not race. It is individuals throughout all nations that submit to Christ that experience divine favor, and they alone.

I believe where many err is in their comprehension of the darkened condemned state that an unsaved person exists in prior to salvation

 

[Guojing]

I'm saying the promise is not just spiritual but includes biological too but if it was only spiritual then you would have to disregard the verse I offered. NT = 50% of the info (spiritual Israel) OT = 50% of the info (biological Israeli's).

Don't be distracted by Galatians 4:28.

You are correct in saying the Isaac's seed shall inherit the everlasting covenant.

We are indeed like Isaac, because in the Body of Christ, we are also considered the child of promise, because Christ is.

That, however, will not make us the seed of Isaac. Like Isaac and having Isaac as your father are two different things.

 

[eclipsenow]

The desecration of the new Temple, 2 Thess 2:4, will happen 1260 days before Jesus Returns.
The Temple will be built by the Christan peoples, coming from far distant places. Zechariah 6:15 They will occupy all of the Holy Land, which will have been cleared and cleansed by the soon to happen; Lords Day of fiery wrath. Revelation 6:11-17, 2 Peter 3:7, +

This scenario is what the Bible Prophets have told us will happen.
To deny and reject it, is tantamount to; deny and reject the whole Bible.

People who put up disgusting posters and who accuse others, are showing their true colours.
I should report you, but those who do see your nasty pictures and 'foaming at the mouth rants, can easily make up their own minds.
I see @Strong in Him - has aligned with you. 2 Peter 2:1-22 has a lot to say about those who the way of truth be evil spoken of...... 2 Peter 2:2 KJV

Um, nope.

You don't get to shout "Hey, look at that shiny NEW timetable I've made over THERE!"

We're discussing your REAL one.

The one you had "absolute certainty" about and was inspired by the Holy Spirit and made you equivalent to an OT prophet that (so sad!) nobody would believe!

Indeed - if we didn't agree with your interpretation of the OT prophets - then we were REJECTING those prophets!
THAT is how certain you were you really "truly wooly" had it right this time!

This is from another forum member - defending me because you were so out of line!

"Where did user "eclipsenow" indicate that what the prophets write is not acceptable to him? He didn't. That was a very rude and inappropriate thing to say. He accepts what they say every bit as much as you do. He just interprets what they say differently than you do at times."

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

As you have no idea of God's plans, good luck for you on this Day: Are you saying a Christian person has to agree with your end-times-table to be saved? There I was thinking it was by the gospel of grace - not belonging to your club of the elite who can only possibly understand it 2000 years...

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You escalated. This is how you write to brothers and sisters in Christ that DARE disagree with the great and all knowing Keras!

"As you have no idea of God's plans, good luck for you on this Day:"

The Day of the Lord is at Hand for all the Nations

This is your error; Paul does not say that when he dies he will be present with the Lord. He says that is his desire, but we know it isn't the reality at all. However, as I have said; the next conscious moment after death, is to stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:1-15 Your grammar is...

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Wow. The emotional blackmail!
It's like you're trying to CONVERT us poor 'unspirituals' with that attitude.
It says so much about your style.

You regularly resort to emotional blackmail, gaslighting, martyrs syndrome, Cassandra syndrome, spiritual pride, spiritual superiority, strawman attacks, etc.

You get very personal very quickly, and call theologians I respect "pigs".

But here's the thing.

You have shown yourself to be a false prophet.
There is no temple, and no AOD going to happen early 2026!
But even this timetable from 2020 was yet ANOTHER false attempt of yours, wasn't it?
Because you admitted you got tricked into believing the 2012 predictions!

That makes your current 2025 model your THIRD attempt at guessing the end-times-tables - but your attitude is still the same!

If we don't abandon all academic, peer-reviewed theological studies into how the Hebrews themselves used Apocalyptic Symbolism (200 BC to 200 AD), and just 'believe' you and your navel-gazing fever-dreams - we are ignoring and rejecting what the PROPHETS THEMSELVES said!

Yeah, right.
Tell me - if modern medicine accelerates with AI and we're all still here by the time this THIRD end-times-table fails, what's your next gambit look like? And your next? And the one after that?

What arguments will you come up with then for extending your hyper literalistic end-times-tables?
(Which all in all comes down to that Nicholas Cage movie, "Knowing.")

Sadly, your attitude has not improved in 5 years.

You remind me of the secular environmental Doomers that are convinced they have the math proving when civilisation will collapse under the pressure of resource depletion, climate change, biosphere destruction, desertification, etc.

You know what?

I think they have a higher chance of being right than yourself!

 

[keras]

The Lord’s people will enter the holy Land with joy and thanksgiving:

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph… Gladness and joy will come upon them, while suffering and sorrow will pass away.

Psalms 149:4-5 For the Lord accepts the service of His people and crowns the lowly with victory. Let His loyal servants exult in triumph!

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land, My people will live there. They will shout: Praise the Lord of Hosts, for He is good and His love endured forever.
Psalms 69:36 Those who serve the Lord and love His Name, will inherit the Land.

Psalms 37:9 Those who trust in the Lord, will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 57:13b but, he who makes Me his refuge, will possess the Land.

Psalms 85:9 Certainly, His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will appear in our Land.

Isaiah 61:3-6 My righteous people, planted in the Lord’s holy Land, to display His glory.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the Land.

 

[eclipsenow]

The Lord’s people will enter the holy Land with joy and thanksgiving:

Isaiah 35:10 The Lord’s people, set free, will enter Zion with shouts of triumph… Gladness and joy will come upon them, while suffering and sorrow will pass away.

Psalms 149:4-5 For the Lord accepts the service of His people and crowns the lowly with victory. Let His loyal servants exult in triumph!

Jeremiah 33:6 & 25 I shall restore the Land, My people will live there. They will shout: Praise the Lord of Hosts, for He is good and His love endured forever.
Psalms 69:36 Those who serve the Lord and love His Name, will inherit the Land.

Psalms 37:9 Those who trust in the Lord, will inherit the Land.

Isaiah 57:13b but, he who makes Me his refuge, will possess the Land.

Psalms 85:9 Certainly, His loyal followers will soon experience His deliverance, then glory will appear in our Land.

Isaiah 61:3-6 My righteous people, planted in the Lord’s holy Land, to display His glory.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the humble, for they will inherit the Land.

All true verses that I affirm!

They just don't say what you WANT them to say!

You have no authority given your 2025 model is your third attempt at this.

As much as you hate the animations, when you realise all your writings are yet ANOTHER attempt to chase after the wind - try "The Bible Project" on YouTube.

Unlike you, the guy has a Phd in Theology focussing on the Hebrew writing genre of Apocalyptic Symbolism.
Pick ANY book of the bible and watch them. I agree with about 80 to 90% of what they say - depending on the book.

Good, reformed Amil theology.

Or try Dr Paul Barnett's "Apocalypse Now and then." These really will help you.

 

[samaus123456789]

Wow that was really good. About taking the kingdom from the Israelites, and giving it to the nations that bear its fruit which was 30-70 AD. And about Pentecost when the new covenant church the Israel of God was born in a day. I will make a post about it.