The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[A2SG]

Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

Last I heard, this was an urban legend. What school was this, when did it happen, and what is your source?

a billion percent.
One of my....very simple students came up to me last year saying she didn't want to go to her new high school cause "my dad heard they let kids be cats in there".

It is never ever true. And they never ever admit it. And they never ever stop listening to the liars. And so they never learn.

It is an urban legend, and it has been debunked.

Did a Michigan School District Install Litter Boxes in Bathrooms?

The Michigan GOP seized upon the uncorroborated claims of a Midland woman about the presence of the "furry" subculture in local schools.

www.snopes.com

-- A2SG, really, it's pretty easy to check stuff like this....

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Yes there are schools that do.

Perhaps in the US, but Hentenza and I was talking about swedish schools.

Do those schools have physicians on staff then? I would guess the right to prescribe medication is still limited to physicians even in the US.

 

[Hentenza]

I hope, for their sake, you were at least understanding of what they were going through. I know more than a few who faced complete condemnation, and a couple were even thrown out of the house for daring to be different. It does happen, unfortunately.

It’s my granddaughter. I’ll always love them no matter what.

Nah, I know more than a few people who have gone through this, and similar, experiences.

Hope you were nice to them and not condemned them. You know it happens, right?

Did you know that school districts also require teachers to go in front of a room full of kids and teach them stuff? If they refused to do that too, I highly doubt they'd continue being employed there.

Irrelevant and non responsive.

If you worked for a plumber, you'd be required to fix toilets. If you refused to do that, would they still pay you to work there?

Irrelevant and non responsive.

In some cases, but not every one. I believe it depends on the jurisdiction.

-- A2SG, how dare a school district compel math teachers to talk about numbers all day long! Maybe they would prefer to discuss poetry....

Irrelevant and non responsive.

 

[Hentenza]

You asked how does schools determine if same-sex attraction is normal, isn't that true?

No. Never asked that. You posted the example of two same sex students kissing. I would consider that to be abnormal.

If they see a phenomenon they normally see in the schoolyard. Then it is normal.

Yes

You asked if the school provides gender affirming care, that is not provided by schools.

I did not ask that. Schools r not provide medical care but they can provide counseling. Parents are responsible yo take their children to doctors if they require medical care which is why they should be informed immediately.

Same-sex kissing is not making lifelong decisions, is it?

It could be. It could be. Parents need to know.

I'm not trying to separate kids from their parents, I told you that the kid decides.

The kid does not decide. The parent does.

If something is commonly seen, then it is not non-normal.

Sure

How so? Very few kids have developed their sexuality before school age.

What do you mean? If a kid expresses gender questions then the school should notify the parents. This is not hard to understand.

They ask if this is something the kids wants help with. If the kid explicitly says that the school shouldn't inform the parents and there is no additional hardship then why should the school tell the parents?

Because the parents are responsibility for their kids. The kids are not responsible for themselves since they don’t have the capacity to do so.

 

[Hentenza]

Depends on the situation, really. If there is a fear of violence, sure. But if the fear is just that the parents might not understand, maybe a little time to figure things out is warranted.

This is not for the child to decide. Should schools let the child keep their failing grades secret from their parents because they fear their reaction?

So if Charles wants to be called Chuck or Charlie, the school has to obtain the parents permission first?

The parents already probably call them that. Don’t be silly.

I think the kid should have some say in the matter. Parents don't control every tiny aspect of a kid's life, ya know. If the parents are such control freaks, that may well explain why a kid wouldn't want them to know they want to be called a different name.

Why? Who makes that decision? You? The patents are responsible for the child so they make the decision of what is important and what is not.

Hardly unusual. I remember back when I went to school (this would have been back in the late 60s, early 70s) more than a few kids would dress one way before they left the house, and change into something else before they got to school, because their parents wouldn't approve of what they wanted to wear. How is that any different?

It isn’t. I grew up in the same era and I don’t remember the school getting involved in that unless it was outside of the dress code. Heck, in my middle teens I used to sneak out of the house at night to go to parties.

-- A2SG, experimenting with identity is a major component of adolescence, after all, not just for trans kids....

It is true that kids will experiment but it is still not the school’s responsibility to be complicit in the experimentation.

 

[A2SG]

It’s my granddaughter. I’ll always love them no matter what.

Cool.

Hope you were nice to them and not condemned them. You know it happens, right?

Yes, it does. Which is why I don't condemn anyone.

Irrelevant and non responsive.

Irrelevant and non responsive.

Irrelevant and non responsive.

Actually not, but I guess you don't wish to address those points.

-- A2SG, oh well....

 

[PloverWing]

Yes there are schools that do.

Do you mean medical care? As in, hormones and/or surgery? Can you name a school that provides gender-affirming medical care, and cite the source? (I thought the nurse's office was limited to band-aids and maybe Tylenol.)

 

[A2SG]

This is not for the child to decide. Should schools let the child keep their failing grades secret from their parents because they fear their reaction?

Do teachers let parents know the results of every homework assignment or pop quiz, or do they wait until report cards come out?

Schools don't tell parents everything.

The parents already probably call them that. Don’t be silly.

Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Preferred nicknames can change, and some parents aren't willing to accept them sometimes.

But the point remains: if a kid wants to be called a certain nickname, are schools required to inform parents every time?

Why? Who makes that decision? You?

Why would it be me?

The patents are responsible for the child so they make the decision of what is important and what is not.

The kid doesn't get a say?

It isn’t. I grew up in the same era and I don’t remember the school getting involved in that unless it was outside of the dress code. Heck, in my middle teens I used to sneak out of the house at night to go to parties.

Should the school always report to the parents just in case the kid isn't wearing the right clothing?

How much informing on a kid's activities is the school's responsibility?

It is true that kids will experiment but it is still not the school’s responsibility to be complicit in the experimentation.

Nor is it their duty to impede it, or to be the parents security force.

-- A2SG, hey, teacher, let them kids alone...

 

[Stopped_lurking]

No. Never asked that. You posted the example of two same sex students kissing. I would consider that to be abnormal.

From the earlier post.

How does the school determine what is normal?

That lead us down this path.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Nice! Thanks!

We went on strike because classroom conditions in Alberta are getting really bad (This government is trying to push toward privatizing because...that's what they do). Our province is the only one that has no limits on class sizes (though one has "Recommendations"). They actively create funding models that UNDER fund growing school boards and they stopped monitoring class size. We were striking for 3 weeks.

Essentially, we were hoping to get some kinda pay increase (only had 5.6% since the VERY early aughts) but everyone's focus was really on class size and complexity (and sadly, rural class conditions aren't so bad so rurally, where the ruling party has a lot of support, mnany were not supportive of teachers or the strike cause things, generally, looked good for most of them). Numbers are HUGE and violence against staff is staggering (a recent international study actually put Alberta teachers are the LOWEST teacher job satisfaction on the entire planet. Sadly, our province is REALLY turning into a urban v rural split.

We WERE striking but the government had to utilize the NWC on 4 different occasions to push through their "back to work" legislation as fast as they could.

Somehow, all of that sort of thing sounds familiar. Proper educational arrangements and the pay that should go with it seems to be getting short shrift these days.

 

[rambot]

You can and should be empathetic to others feelings. However empathy does not require you to recognize those feelings as something to be acted upon. Empathy can lead to us supporting a person who is harming themselves. Empathy when taken too far can actually be harmful.

Empathy doesn't actually "require" anything. You can have concern and compassion for fellow humans in a situation and you can look for ways that they are like you and you can recognize the difficulty of that pain and struggle.

I've never known empathy to be harmful outside of hypotheticals.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What is Christianity without its Christians? If people who are Christian are failing in respect of, not only empathy, but straight out marginalizing them as a people is the failure I speak of. Yes, I am familiar with that book with the letters to seven churches, and the way "that's not what I meant" crowed has tossed on its head. I'm assuming you know which I speak of.

I guess the question really comes down to, "In your estimation, how many Christians does it take to screw in a light bulb?" But I know this isn't the Biblical Eschatology forum, so don't feel compelled to have to answer.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Like if a certain school district requires that children only be called by the name on their birth certificate?

I knew a girl in school way back when named Priscilla. She hated that name, especially since her family had for a long time shortened it to Prissy. In school, she insisted everyone call her Chuck. We did, as did her teachers. The parents didn't need to be informed at that time. I ran into her a while back, and she still goes by Chuck, but otherwise has no other gender issues.

-- A2SG, she's married now, and has a couple of kids of her own, and lets them be called whatever they want to be called....

I think you missed the gist of what I was saying, here and in other posts. I'm more concerned with anything---and I mean anything of legislative policy---that even remotely smells or feels like I'm having to slog through The Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf.

In other words, DEI or Christian Nationalism that resorts to forcing anyone to 'sign on' the dotted line to show ideological compliance and agreement isn't something I will do.

 

[Say it aint so]

If only the left said the same thing about their own beliefs.

Live and let live and don't deny the rights you enjoy to others. What a horrible belief.

 

[rambot]

I think you missed the gist of what I was saying, here and in other posts. I'm more concerned with anything---and I mean anything of legislative policy---that even remotely smells or feels like I'm having to slog through The Communist Manifesto or Mein Kampf.

In other words, DEI or Christian Nationalism that resorts to forcing anyone to 'sign on' the dotted line to show ideological compliance and agreement isn't something I will do.

It's been my experience that DEI trainings don't ask us to show ideological compliance; they just ask us to treat people a certain way as a means of showing respect. I could still hate Gerald but I gotta treat him with respect....kinda thing. But to be fair, every job I've had has a high social component (ie...that's a huge part of being successful at the job) and so how others are treated is really about being successful at my job and not just "making a healthy work atmos".

Live and let live and don't deny the rights you enjoy to others. What a horrible belief.

Their argument is that they have the right to misgender people as a free speech issue.
NVM the hurt it causes trans people; that's their right.

 

[BCP1928]

It's been my experience that DEI trainings don't ask us to show ideological compliance; they just ask us to treat people a certain way as a means of showing respect. I could still hate Gerald but I gotta treat him with respect....kinda thing. But to be fair, every job I've had has a high social component (ie...that's a huge part of being successful at the job) and so how others are treated is really about being successful at my job and not just "making a healthy work atmos".


Their argument is that they have the right to misgender people as a free speech issue.
NVM the hurt it causes trans people; that's their right.

And the reason they do it.

 

[rjs330]

Do you mean medical care? As in, hormones and/or surgery? Can you name a school that provides gender-affirming medical care, and cite the source? (I thought the nurse's office was limited to band-aids and maybe Tylenol.)

Gender affirming care is expansive. It does not mean that schools are performing surgeries or school nurses hand out hormones. Don't be silly. Affirming a kids gender is more than that.

In Oregon the Dept. Of Education has gender affirming care in their schools.
They have entire documents on how schools are supposed to provide gender affirming care for the students.

Minnesota does the same.

In Seattle the schools allow gender clinics in the schools which do provide hormones to the kids. Can you imagine if schools allowed churches inside the schools to operate all day and hold services during the school day?

Or perhaps a pro-life pregnancy caring center?

 

[rambot]

Gender affirming care is expansive. It does not mean that schools are performing surgeries or school nurses hand out hormones. Don't be silly. Affirming a kids gender is more than that.

In Oregon the Dept. Of Education has gender affirming care in their schools.
They have entire documents on how schools are supposed to provide gender affirming care for the students.

Minnesota does the same.

In Seattle the schools allow gender clinics in the schools which do provide hormones to the kids. Can you imagine if schools allowed churches inside the schools to operate all day and hold services during the school day?

They don't have dedicated gender clinics schools but they DO have health clinics and they do have a connection with teh Seattle Children's Gender Clinic.

 

[rjs330]

Empathy doesn't actually "require" anything. You can have concern and compassion for fellow humans in a situation and you can look for ways that they are like you and you can recognize the difficulty of that pain and struggle.

I've never known empathy to be harmful outside of hypotheticals.

Empathy is what leads schools to allow gender clinics inside of schools. Empathy is what causes people to want to support affirmative care for kids.

Empathy is what can cause people to allow the homeless or drug addicts to do drugs on the streets creating unsafe environments for communities.

Empathy in and of itself is good. We need empathy. But we need to be wise with it and make sure our empathy is not allowing actions that are harmful to the person or society.

 

[BCP1928]

Empathy is what leads schools to allow gender clinics inside of schools. Empathy is what causes people to want to support affirmative care for kids.

Empathy is what can cause people to allow the homeless or drug addicts to do drugs on the streets creating unsafe environments for communities.

Empathy in and of itself is good. We need empathy. But we need to be wise with it and make sure our empathy is not allowing actions that are harmful to the person or society.

Or insulting to some Christian's religious opinions, of course.