The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[jacorian]

A behavioral construct is the means by which one interprets their experience and organizes their understanding of the world. Since when did "transgender" interpretation of their experience and organization of their understanding of the world... become an identity?

Why not?

According to who? According to you? What moral weight does your opinion hold over anyone else's?

God made 2 genders. I think we know that. I'm not here to affirm delusions. I think the gender stuff quickly escalated because kids in the teenage years are impressionable. Politicians tried to fashion victimization groups under the pretense that these persons have no rights & that they are oppressed. This is typical politicking. Politicians are always out to get elected so whatever scheme they can finagle in order to placate, curry favor that is their m/o. People have to stop fawning over lawmakers & such as being mentors or experts or gurus on this. We have the lessons of history-notably Chairmen Mao who instigated the cultural revolution.

 

[jacorian]

Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

 

[Yarddog]

I just told you we've seen it.

You saw what, exactly. You were not specific with you actually witnessed.

I suggest you do somw searches on this site.

I have and there are some people generalize as you do. Others say that it isn't done.

There are loads of links to this. Just cause you didn't see it in your school as a volunteer doeant mean its not happening anywhere. And this NEA OP is just a minor piece of evidence of it.

This OP doesn't reveal much about what is actually done. What class teaches some sort of LGBTQ doctrine.

 

[PloverWing]

Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

Last I heard, this was an urban legend. What school was this, when did it happen, and what is your source?

 

[Say it aint so]

People who claim to associate themselves with Christianity are failing, not "Christianity" itself. I don't know what your expectations of Christians are, but my social bar of expectation is one that bears the emotional nausea of Sartre on one hand and the Fear of the Lord which we should all clearly see in the Letters to the Seven Churches in the book of Revelation. I'm assuming you know of which I speak. If you don't, it might be time to get yourself out of your Deistic doldrums and get familiar it.

What is Christianity without its Christians? If people who are Christian are failing in respect of, not only empathy, but straight out marginalizing them as a people is the failure I speak of. Yes, I am familiar with that book with the letters to seven churches, and the way "that's not what I meant" crowed has tossed on its head. I'm assuming you know which I speak of.

 

[Say it aint so]

You call it empathy but I call it politicization. Your camp wants to dislodge any semblance of traditionalism from most areas of life. I believe that is quite empathetic to care about the cohesion and importance of the family where parents are still responsible for their children. The left wants to eliminate the “evil” parents from raising their kids as they see fit. The left sexualizes children from early age to follow the LGTBQ agenda. There is no empathy there at all only manipulation.

You are free to live in your traditions in your own life. Don't dictate on others your traditions. If two same sex people wish to marry and adopt kids to raise. Then what is it to you?

 

[Stopped_lurking]

That’s actually quite low. You didn’t really answered what I initially posted.

You asked how does schools determine if same-sex attraction is normal, isn't that true? If they see a phenomenon they normally see in the schoolyard. Then it is normal.

Why would any one take their child to school for treatment?

You asked if the school provides gender affirming care, that is not provided by schools.

High school kids still don’t have enough maturity and experience to make life long decisions in their own. They need their parents for help and support. Why are you trying to divorce the parents from the child? Are you afraid that your left wing agenda will be interrupted by those “terrible” parents?

Same-sex kissing is not making lifelong decisions, is it? I'm not trying to separate kids from their parents, I told you that the kid decides.

Lol I have never deflected. This is what I wrote earlier that you ignored in favor of percentages.

If something is commonly seen, then it is not non-normal.

“As a parent I’ve raised the child since birth so I would be much better qualified to determine the extent of the change. The schools would see that change if the child, to stay with the present topic, starts talking about gender issues or changes.”

How so? Very few kids have developed their sexuality before school age.

So as a parent I know what normal is for my kid. The schools have to let me know if my kid has a gender or sexuality issue based on his/her comments rather than keeping it a secret.

They ask if this is something the kids wants help with. If the kid explicitly says that the school shouldn't inform the parents and there is no additional hardship then why should the school tell the parents?

 

[A2SG]

when the whole joke behind the cross dressing was that it was an absurd idea, it's not an accepted practice.

And yet, it is accepted.

In fact, your example speaks to just how unacceptable it was since it was considered so far beyond the pale that it was immediately funny seeing a man in woman's clothing.

Not always done for humor or satire, you know. Remember Shakespeare featured many stories involving women (or men) posing as a different gender for many different plot related reasons.

Cross dressing, sure. Drag? That's not got a long history, and from its inception has been seen as the territory of a degenerate oversexualized subculture.

Drag actually has a very long history. Drag has origins in mummer's plays, a folk form of theatre that dates back to at least the 13th century. Also, there's Commedia dell'arte, which dates from at least the 16th century, though it has roots as far back as ancient Rome.

Your conflating the two just shows how desperate you are.

I conflated the two because both drag and cross dressing in general are acceptable forms of entertainment, and have been for centuries. The contention that society does not accept the practice is false.

Any objections to or disapproval of drag or cross dressing is entirely on the individual. Not society.

-- A2SG, and there are even certain famous conservative political figures who did not disapprove....

 

[A2SG]

That is not for the school to decide. If the child fears their parents then the authorities might need to be involved.

Depends on the situation, really. If there is a fear of violence, sure. But if the fear is just that the parents might not understand, maybe a little time to figure things out is warranted.

Yes it is. The parents are the final say so on what their child is called not the school.

So if Charles wants to be called Chuck or Charlie, the school has to obtain the parents permission first?

Irrelevant. It is the parent‘s decision.

I think the kid should have some say in the matter. Parents don't control every tiny aspect of a kid's life, ya know. If the parents are such control freaks, that may well explain why a kid wouldn't want them to know they want to be called a different name.

Wow, just wow.

Hardly unusual. I remember back when I went to school (this would have been back in the late 60s, early 70s) more than a few kids would dress one way before they left the house, and change into something else before they got to school, because their parents wouldn't approve of what they wanted to wear. How is that any different?

-- A2SG, experimenting with identity is a major component of adolescence, after all, not just for trans kids....

 

[A2SG]

Job requirements? So you agree then that preferred pronouns and names are forced on people under the threat of loosing their jobs.

If that's a requirement of the job, sure. Just like a plumber is required by his employer to work on toilets. If you don't like the requirements of the job you're being paid to do, you don't have to do it any longer.

And I guess you are ok with that.

My boss requires me to go to a certain building for about 8 hours at a time and do stuff. I'm okay with it because I get paid for doing that stuff. But if I suddenly decided I didn't want to do any of it any more, I doubt he'd keep paying me.

Pretty much how jobs work.

So three percent of the population does indeed dominate this requirement.

Not really. I doubt there are many within that three percent who employ teachers. A few, sure, but not all.

-- A2SG, and only insofar as the employee agrees to continue working for them....

 

[A2SG]

One of my grandkids went through it so I have seen it.

I hope, for their sake, you were at least understanding of what they were going through. I know more than a few who faced complete condemnation, and a couple were even thrown out of the house for daring to be different. It does happen, unfortunately.

Maybe you never have and are just regurgitating far left nonsense.

Nah, I know more than a few people who have gone through this, and similar, experiences.

Who? If I was a teacher in a school district that required the use of preferred pronouns then it would be the school district.

Did you know that school districts also require teachers to go in front of a room full of kids and teach them stuff? If they refused to do that too, I highly doubt they'd continue being employed there.

If I worked for a company that requires them then it would be the company.

If you worked for a plumber, you'd be required to fix toilets. If you refused to do that, would they still pay you to work there?

Fortunately, so far the courts have ruled that forcing them is unconstitutional because it falls under compelled speech.

In some cases, but not every one. I believe it depends on the jurisdiction.

-- A2SG, how dare a school district compel math teachers to talk about numbers all day long! Maybe they would prefer to discuss poetry....

 

[A2SG]

On a certain humanist, philosophical, psycho-social level, I agree with you that children should get a say in expressing how they feel about themselves and their relation to the world they live in. However, this becomes a problem when the powers that be decide to create and push a social, legal agenda that co-opts the children's struggles for the promotion of their own political paradigm and legislative policy.

Like if a certain school district requires that children only be called by the name on their birth certificate?

I knew a girl in school way back when named Priscilla. She hated that name, especially since her family had for a long time shortened it to Prissy. In school, she insisted everyone call her Chuck. We did, as did her teachers. The parents didn't need to be informed at that time. I ran into her a while back, and she still goes by Chuck, but otherwise has no other gender issues.

-- A2SG, she's married now, and has a couple of kids of her own, and lets them be called whatever they want to be called....

 

[rambot]

You are discounting the problem of the social pressures to conform that kids are experiencing today in both their school environment and social media to the point that some studies are even calling it a normal part of exploration. Its sad really.

Honestly, and I mean no disrespect, all that's happenning is that we disagree not that I am not discounting "the problem of social pressures".

I teach in a junior high. Before that I worked in a youth treatment centre. My kids are 16 and 11. My 16 year old daughter is a drama nerd. I am RIGHT in the scope of it all. As mentioned in another thread, my daughter even went through it (seems to be coming out the other side).
I'm not sure how I could be MORE aware of the social pressures.
I am not catastrophizing and reacting out of fear; reacting like that is too "reptilian brained" for me. I am acting out of the love and knowledge I have that my kid will figure out where she is at when she is ready. With our numerous long conversations and recent ones, I've been blessed that she's been comfortable enough to keep in the the loop as she talks and thinks about it.


Frankly, I'm inclined to think that I actually have a fanTASTIC accounting of how robust the social pressure is. And I also know about what the affect that positive parents has on those kids. I know that present decent parents will be able to manage this just fine.

I would appreciate the things you say when, if you include the phrase "studies" says or anything of the sort, that you include the research in a link.

 

[rambot]

Last I heard, this was an urban legend. What school was this, when did it happen, and what is your source?

a billion percent.
One of my....very simple students came up to me last year saying she didn't want to go to her new high school cause "my dad heard they let kids be cats in there".

It is never ever true. And they never ever admit it. And they never ever stop listening to the liars. And so they never learn.

 

[rjs330]

I can be empathetic to other feelings to which I am familiar.

You can and should be empathetic to others feelings. However empathy does not require you to recognize those feelings as something to be acted upon. Empathy can lead to us supporting a person who is harming themselves. Empathy when taken too far can actually be harmful.

 

[rjs330]

You are discounting the problem of the social pressures to conform that kids are experiencing today in both their school environment and social media to the point that some studies are even calling it a normal part of exploration. Its sad really.

Not to mention the pressure parents feel as well. If a kid starts down that path to thinking they may be the opposite sex, parents are told they should affirm that and get them on blockers and or hormones. Which then makes it nearly impossible to alter that path. And parents think they are doing the right thing because some so called expert told them that.

 

[rjs330]

Honestly, and I mean no disrespect, all that's happenning is that we disagree not that I am not discounting "the problem of social pressures".

I teach in a junior high. Before that I worked in a youth treatment centre. My kids are 16 and 11. My 16 year old daughter is a drama nerd. I am RIGHT in the scope of it all. As mentioned in another thread, my daughter even went through it (seems to be coming out the other side).
I'm not sure how I could be MORE aware of the social pressures.
I am not catastrophizing and reacting out of fear; reacting like that is too "reptilian brained" for me. I am acting out of the love and knowledge I have that my kid will figure out where she is at when she is ready. With our numerous long conversations and recent ones, I've been blessed that she's been comfortable enough to keep in the the loop as she talks and thinks about it.


Frankly, I'm inclined to think that I actually have a fanTASTIC accounting of how robust the social pressure is. And I also know about what the affect that positive parents has on those kids. I know that present decent parents will be able to manage this just fine.

I would appreciate the things you say when, if you include the phrase "studies" says or anything of the sort, that you include the research in a link.

Your experience is EXACTLY why we should not be transing kids. The vast majority do what your daughter did and come out of it if left alone. Had you immediately started affirming her and got her hooked up with hormones you wouldnt be in the same place. Your example is why it should not be done to kids.

 

[rjs330]

Let me just also mention that a few years back we had a couple of youngsters in the school who identified as cats. Rather than the principal getting on the phone to the parent, the administration proceeded to secure litter boxes & placed them in the school.

Oh good grief. I'm not surprised by any lunacy that comes out of our school systems anymore.

 

[rjs330]

have and there are some people generalize as you do. Others say that it isn't done.

There was no generalization. Links were provided to actual curriculum. Yeah, the left is very good at denial on these things. Then they minimize it once proof is shown. Eventually they fully admit it and say it should be done. This is one of those subjects.

If you want to be in denial, be my guest.

 

[rjs330]

Don't dictate on others your traditions.

If only the left said the same thing about their own beliefs.

You asked if the school provides gender affirming care, that is not provided by schools.

Yes there are schools that do.