The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[rambot]

Actually, as I think about it, maybe it is a far left agenda. Because empathy alone, by itself and shorn of any other additional context, is surely a cheap imitation of a fuller, more robust expression of genuine COMPASSION which all Christians are OBLIGATED to show to other people around them in the world at large. It's not an opt out.

Of course, those who prefer to go to 'Hell' in the long run can opt out of having to be chained to showing compassion, I suppose.......

The main difference between empathy and compassion is that empathy entails an attempt to understand the context of another while compassion has no such requirement.

So, taking the context out of empathy is basically just compassion. No?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The main difference between empathy and compassion is that empathy entails an attempt to understand the context of another while compassion has no such requirement.

Baloney. Compassion as Jesus and His Apostles would have modeled it already entailed empathy as one nuanced aspect of its expression.

Yes, I know, on a secular level, empathy and compassion are considered as two distinct although related concepts. But for Christians, we are to go beyond that. Understanding others should be found within the social praxis that an outcome of having already applied compassion would achieve.

However, stopping short with mere empathy is a cheap rip-off of what should be the FULLER application of Christian grace, mercy, and love, and done without at the same time pandering to Secularized, un-Christian demands to approve of all that some extreme ideologues and demagogues insist as a social outcome.

Empathy and Moral Approval are also two distinct and socially contextualized concepts. But in this case, one does not entail the other.

So, taking the context out of empathy is basically just compassion. No?

No.

 

[rjs330]

So, you are not going tell us what you have actually seen. I was a volunteer in local schools and I saw nothing.

I just told you we've seen it. I suggest you do somw searches on this site. There are loads of links to this. Just cause you didn't see it in your school as a volunteer doeant mean its not happening anywhere. And this NEA OP is just a minor piece of evidence of it.

 

[rjs330]

Read post #48. That is where I asked about this. You cut in to that conversation without knowing what it was about.

Your post didn't mention anything about anger or condemnation. Here is what the poster said.

The question is, what does it mean to "love your neighbors" in this case? Indulging them at the risk of their souls, or being honest with them in the hope of their salvation?

To which you responded.

Which is closer?

I Responded to that. It no point then or in future posts did we discuss am agreement with condemnation regarding anger or whatever you were trying to put into my mouth as agreeing with you. You should stop doing that.

 

[rjs330]

Often?

At least at a rate of 35%. Which is quite often. Thats a minimum because a lot of abusers are never caught and not all of them would admit to being abused.

There are also connections between homosexuality and sex abuse as well. There are all kinds of problems that kids face including things that they do afterward that are a result of the sin perpetuated upon them. So Jesus did speak out against harming children and doing things that would cause them to stumble in the future. If you can't accept that then I have nothing further to say about it.

 

[rjs330]

It’s not a choice what gender you are attracted to. A straight guy isn’t attracted to guys. That’s the whole point of being straight.

If you can’t be encouraged to be gay if you are straight.

Nope, there is information out there that says that kids can turn to homosexuality after abuse.

 

[rjs330]

Nonsense. It’s no more harmless than a pantomime dame.

Nonsense its a perversion. They are acting out sexual fantasies and are trying to get kids involved in their perversion.

 

[rjs330]

It’s not perversion. You are projecting your irrational fears onto harmless drag queens.

It is perversion and they are not harmless. They are trying to queer kids.

 

[rjs330]

More projection.

Lol, Im not involved in any of those things. They are. Its perverted.

 

[rambot]

Baloney. Compassion as Jesus and His Apostles would have modeled it already entailed empathy as one nuanced aspect of its expression.

I'm really not sure what the exact verbiage is in latin (nor translations of their English equivalents) so I'm not going to be so bold as to assume what you do here.
But okay....

Yes, I know, on a secular level, empathy and compassion are considered as two distinct although related concepts.

"BARELY distinct" but yes, I agree.

But for Christians, we are to go beyond that. Understanding others should be found within the social praxis that an outcome of having already applied compassion would achieve.

I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you're advocating for here and how it's different than empathy.

However, stopping short with mere empathy is a cheap rip-off

or compassion

of what should be the FULLER application of Christian grace, mercy, and love, and done without at the same time pandering to Secularized, un-Christian demands to approve of all that some extreme ideologues and demagogues insist as a social outcome.

I don't think anyone anywhere is advocating for people to ONLY show "empathy" so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

I haven't yet figured out how "approve" became a part of the definition of "being empathetic" for certain Christians.

I'm a teacher in Alberta. 3 weeks ago, our government used the Notwithstanding Clause against us to force us back to work while stripping teachers' of our rights aligned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Last week, tha same government used the SAME clause to restrict the rights of trans people in our province.

Whether I approve of transgenderism or not, I understand the feeling of having our rights taken away and I can have an empathetic resposne to them.

I've also been judged harshly based on my body so I can have that kind of empathy with trans people. I CANNOT be empathetic to the feeling of wanting to be a different gender, but I can be empathetic to other feelings to which I am familiar.

 

[rambot]

It is perversion and they are not harmless. They are trying to queer kids.

Queer is a verb now?

I bet those decades of silly gay people feel ridiculous with all the popular literature and movies they've watched with heterosexuals making out.

All that time we've been brainwashing them straight and it worked so well, they didn't evne notice!
or change.

Because it doesn't work that way....
or the other way.

 

[Hentenza]

Queer is a verb now?

I bet those decades of silly gay people feel ridiculous with all the popular literature and movies they've watched with heterosexuals making out.

All that time we've been brainwashing them straight and it worked so well, they didn't evne notice!
or change.

Because it doesn't work that way....
or the other way.

Actually a couple of areas being studied today with regards to the dramatic increase in children questioning their gender are social transition and social contagion. Their exposure to both is suggested to contribute tremendously to kids questioning their gender. This probably accounts for the large number of children which their gender questioning resolves by their late teens or early twenties.

 

[rambot]

Actually a couple of areas being studied today with regards to the dramatic increase in children questioning their gender are social transition and social contagion. Their exposure to both is suggested to contribute tremendously to kids questioning their gender. This probably accounts for the large number of children which their gender questioning resolves by their late teens or early twenties.

Sexual identify and gender are different. I agree 100% with gender questioning.

My daughter went through it all too. I didn't fight her. I told her I'd support her. She had a bunch of ideas and we've had several "Big talks". She's been 1000% open with me every step of the way and my ONLY message to her is "You're gonna figure it out. It sounds like you have an idea now and that's great. But that may change. Don't commit to anything. You'll figure it out".

But she's already coming out of the other side of all this stuff and is back again to mentioning the idea of being married.

I would argue that for many kids (though not all), this gender stuff is essentially just another kind of social group like the "Artsy fartsies; jocks;whathaveyou". That's why it's important to have a measured, informed response.


IT should also be noted that youth who are identifying outside of their birth gender are dropping a LOT too.


Being homosexual CANNOT be erased by reading a tonne of Harlequin romance so we need to abandon this idea that our heterosexual kids are gonna go queer cause they're reading about two daddy penguins.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I'm really not sure what the exact verbiage is in latin (nor translations of their English equivalents) so I'm not going to be so bold as to assume what you do here.
But okay....


"BARELY distinct" but yes, I agree.


I'm sorry. I'm not sure I understand what you're advocating for here and how it's different than empathy.

or compassion


I don't think anyone anywhere is advocating for people to ONLY show "empathy" so I'm not sure what you're arguing here.

I haven't yet figured out how "approve" became a part of the definition of "being empathetic" for certain Christians.

I'm a teacher in Alberta. 3 weeks ago, our government used the Notwithstanding Clause against us to force us back to work while stripping teachers' of our rights aligned in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
Last week, tha same government used the SAME clause to restrict the rights of trans people in our province.

Whether I approve of transgenderism or not, I understand the feeling of having our rights taken away and I can have an empathetic resposne to them.

I've also been judged harshly based on my body so I can have that kind of empathy with trans people. I CANNOT be empathetic to the feeling of wanting to be a different gender, but I can be empathetic to other feelings to which I am familiar.

The point that I was attempting to make and was apparently unsuccessful in expressing is that, for the Christian, empathy should already be a part of, or an inherent aspect of, compassion.

And I'm sorry to hear your rights have been infringed upon of late.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually a couple of areas being studied today with regards to the dramatic increase in children questioning their gender are social transition and social contagion. Their exposure to both is suggested to contribute tremendously to kids questioning their gender. This probably accounts for the large number of children which their gender questioning resolves by their late teens or early twenties.

That's good. It's always good to be sure who you really are is who you want to be. Let them ask all the questions they can.

 

[rambot]

The point that I was attempting to make and was apparently unsuccessful in expressing is that, for the Christian, empathy should already be a part of, or an inherent aspect of, compassion.

I had a feeling you were speaking to that as a wholistic position....and to that I agree.

And I'm sorry to hear your rights have been infringed upon of late.

Thank you actually. I know we've disagreed a lot but it's a surprisingly HUGE gut punch to feel like a 2nd class citizen in North America....and it seems strange that it would happen to a straight, white, male (but I guess I'm in a girly profession). And it's worse when some of my fellow citizens agree I don't deserve the same constitutional protections as they receive.

 

[Hentenza]

Sexual identify and gender are different. I agree 100% with gender questioning.

My daughter went through it all too. I didn't fight her. I told her I'd support her. She had a bunch of ideas and we've had several "Big talks". She's been 1000% open with me every step of the way and my ONLY message to her is "You're gonna figure it out. It sounds like you have an idea now and that's great. But that may change. Don't commit to anything. You'll figure it out".

But she's already coming out of the other side of all this stuff and is back again to mentioning the idea of being married.

I would argue that for many kids (though not all), this gender stuff is essentially just another kind of social group like the "Artsy fartsies; jocks;whathaveyou". That's why it's important to have a measured, informed response.


IT should also be noted that youth who are identifying outside of their birth gender are dropping a LOT too.


Being homosexual CANNOT be erased by reading a tonne of Harlequin romance so we need to abandon this idea that our heterosexual kids are gonna go queer cause they're reading about two daddy penguins.

You are discounting the problem of the social pressures to conform that kids are experiencing today in both their school environment and social media to the point that some studies are even calling it a normal part of exploration. Its sad really.

 

[Hentenza]

That's good. It's always good to be sure who you really are is who you want to be. Let them ask all the questions they can.

Not what I advocated. The contrary actually.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I had a feeling you were speaking to that as a wholistic position....and to that I agree.

Thank you actually. I know we've disagreed a lot but it's a surprisingly HUGE gut punch to feel like a 2nd class citizen in North America....and it seems strange that it would happen to a straight, white, male (but I guess I'm in a girly profession). And it's worse when some of my fellow citizens agree I don't deserve the same constitutional protections as they receive.

Up until you mentioned anything about Alberta and this thing they have called the Notwithstanding Clause, I didn't know anything about this. I then googled it and got a quick summation. See? I'm trying to gain an understanding of the situation.

So, are the teachers in Alberta wanting to go on strike in relation to pay or benefits and are not being allowed to now by this clause?

 

[rambot]

Up until you mentioned anything about Alberta and this thing they have called the Notwithstanding Clause, I didn't know anything about this. I then googled it and got a quick summation. See? I'm trying to gain an understanding of the situation.

Nice! Thanks!

So, are the teachers in Alberta wanting to go on strike in relation to pay or benefits and are not being allowed to now by this clause?

We went on strike because classroom conditions in Alberta are getting really bad (This government is trying to push toward privatizing because...that's what they do). Our province is the only one that has no limits on class sizes (though one has "Recommendations"). They actively create funding models that UNDER fund growing school boards and they stopped monitoring class size. We were striking for 3 weeks.

Essentially, we were hoping to get some kinda pay increase (only had 5.6% since the VERY early aughts) but everyone's focus was really on class size and complexity (and sadly, rural class conditions aren't so bad so rurally, where the ruling party has a lot of support, mnany were not supportive of teachers or the strike cause things, generally, looked good for most of them). Numbers are HUGE and violence against staff is staggering (a recent international study actually put Alberta teachers are the LOWEST teacher job satisfaction on the entire planet. Sadly, our province is REALLY turning into a urban v rural split.

We WERE striking but the government had to utilize the NWC on 4 different occasions to push through their "back to work" legislation as fast as they could.