The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Hentenza]

I understand that compulsion but it is 100% misplaced and awful for education in the long run.
Thw fast is that parents only know what they know. But it's not like a cold bursts forth ceom the womb and tou are a great parent with the perfect set of knowledge to them them.
Parents are humans with limitations.

Also some parents are idiots (and I say this as a teacher who has watched and heard the many stoirs of parents.

This idea that every parent knows what's best foe their kid is just wrong. Sometimes parents base that on incorrect information and sometimes they make decisions based on cultural stances.
For example in my high needs poverty s hool we have a high immigrant background. Many od these kids have trauma in their background and thwir executive functions is compromised. Bur the parents feel that thwir culture will ostracized them I'd they get thr testing necessary for their kid to be in a classroom.morr appropriate for their learning (as they are literally ing beating the anotnout of other kids). Also have a white guy, born and bred Canadian kid doing rhe same thing but the parents just say "no" for no reason other than they don't "want to" get him assessed.


This stupid idea that parents always know best has to be put to reat

Case in point I'm guessing education in rhe south would STILL be segregated if parental rights were that steong.

Lastly, I seriously wonder how an education system is going to teach critical thinking if we don't challenge the thinking the kids.

The term “parents” denote that either they are responsible for their birth or that they took over for someone to be responsible for them. They are the legal guardian not the school. The school system is NOT responsible for their upbringing, parents are. Parents get to choose their religious and moral understanding, not the school.

There is absolutely no reason why three percent of the population dominate the conversation and to force others to think as they do.

 

[BCP1928]

And why is that? (Because the old people have fully developed brains and understand what's going on children don't!)


Except the 2 to 3 percent of the population that represents LGBTQ++ are not "we the people". We live in a constitutional republic. Where are the rights of the majority?

No, everybody has the same rights, minority or majority.

But hey, in this constitutional republic; if you want to rent a space and advertise "drag queen show for children"; you are free to do so. No one is going to stop you. And those who want their kids to participate can take them there. (After all it's just fun. Right?)

Things that parents do not want their kids seeing; should not be "part of the curriculum" of public education; where the parents have no say in what happens in the school.

If you would object to "Roman Catholic School style public education for K-12" based on "religious freedom"; why should I accept an ideology that idolatrarizes sexuality?

Not qualified to answer that as I am a non-Catholic who was educated partly in Catholic schools and found them much more tolerant of religious freedom than anything you seem to have in mind. I think that the basis of it is that they have more confidence in the truth of their beliefs than conservative Protestants.

 

[The Righterzpen]

1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract#:~:text=Regret after gender affirming surgery is less than 1 %.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

Why then is all of Europe and Australia shutting down their "gender affirming care" clinics for children?

And there's a friend of mine who's "transitioned" Female to "Male" about 7 years ago now. I've ever only known her (biological female) as her current "male" presentation. She's on a locked psych ward at a VA facility and she's been there for nearly 3 months now. She's there so she doesn't kill herself! She has multiple mental health diagnosis. And "gender affirming care" has not fixed her psychological struggles! Myself and several other vets have been praying for her.

 

[Fervent]

It's as abnormal as Rennassaince Fairs and LARPING.

Take that to mean what you will

I don't see a difference

 

[BCP1928]

The term “parents” denote that either they are responsible for their birth or that they took over for someone to be responsible for them. They are the legal guardian not the school. The school system is NOT responsible for their upbringing, parents are. Parents get to choose their religious and moral understanding, not the school.

That's why schools don't teach religious and moral understanding.

There is absolutely no reason why three percent of the population dominate the conversation and to force others to think as they do.

No one is being forced to think as they do.

 

[Hentenza]

1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurgery.com/article/S0002-9610(24)00238-1/abstract#:~:text=Regret after gender affirming surgery is less than 1 %.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

Because children don’t have the capacity to make life changing decisions and because a high percentage of gender dysphoria cases resolve by their late teens or early twenties.

 

[BCP1928]

Why then is all of Europe and Australia shutting down their "gender affirming care" clinics for children?

Because they are not. They are just smarter than we were about irreversible treatments for children like hormone intervention and surgery--which is only a small part of gender affirming care anyway.

 

[Hentenza]

That's why schools don't teach religious and moral understanding.

That lady with a torch is still for sale.

No one is being forced to think as they do.

Mmmm… let’s see. Preferred pronouns, preferred name, conduct correction to make sure no one is “insulted”, the demonization of those that don’t think as they do, etc. etc. etc.

 

[The Righterzpen]

No, everybody has the same rights, minority or majority.

So then why does "minority rule" on this issue?

Not qualified to answer that as I am a non-Catholic who was educated partly in Catholic schools and found them much more tolerant of religious freedom than anything you seem to have in mind. I think that the basis of it is that they have more confidence in the truth of their beliefs than conservative Protestants.

If morals and ethics of religions should not be allowed in public schools; then why should this LGBTQ+++ "morals and ethics" be taught in public schools?

 

[The Righterzpen]

Because they are not. They are just smarter than we were about irreversible treatments for children like hormone intervention and surgery--which is only a small part of gender affirming care anyway.

Actually, yes they are! Interesting.... you actually admit that this is an issue.

 

[BCP1928]

Because children don’t have the capacity to make life changing decisions and because a high percentage of gender dysphoria cases resolve by their late teens or early twenties.

Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

 

[Hentenza]

Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

So let the parents make that decision instead of the school hiding it from the parents and encouraging it.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually, yes they are! Interesting.... you actually admit that this is an issue.

Of course it's an issue. It's the only substantive issue with regard to LGBT kids in schools.

Right now we are talking about cross-dressing.

 

[BCP1928]

So let the parents make that decision instead of the school hiding it from the parents and encouraging it.

What decision are you talking about?

 

[The Righterzpen]

Yes, many teens who are trans will indeed "grow out of it" if you want to put it that way. I think there is general agreement that aggressive irreversible treatments for minors like surgery is wrong.

But gender dysphoria is not the same as just being trans, it's a clinical condition which does require a clinical diagnosis and treatment.

Ehhh.... One has to have a "gender dysphoria" diagnosis to get "gender affirming care" (hormones and surgery) thus "be trans".

One can still get counseling without a gender dysphoria diagnosis. And no one is stopping males or females from "cross dressing". And it is true; (I believe you are the one who actually said this) that gender non-conforming individuals, generally dress androgynously to avoid the social issues of being too obviously... not the sex one wishes to present as.

 

[The Righterzpen]

Of course it's an issue. It's the only substantive issue with regard to LGBT kids in schools.

Right now we are talking about cross-dressing.

LOL - the answer you gave me was in response to "gender affirming care" clinics for children in Europe and Australia shutting down for being sued for irreparable harm to kids they'd "transitioned"; sued by those kids as adults. We weren't talking about the issues this ideology is causing in schools.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Well the problem here is the word "identity". People propose the concept of "accepting people for who they are". Well my question is; why and when has a series of behavioral constructs become an "identity"? (Like behavior is immutable aspect of self?)

Do most trans persons say that their behaviour defines their identity? Most that I have talked to say that it is some kind of innate feeling, regardless of if they are forced into any specific behavioural construct, but my guess is that at least some agender individuals would agree with you, that gender isn't something one is but something one does. So there are possibly not one answer to your question.

 

[BCP1928]

Ehhh.... One has to have a "gender dysphoria" diagnosis to get "gender affirming care" (hormones and surgery) thus "be trans".

You can be trans with out that. In fact most trans individuals never do get the surgery.

One can still get counseling without a gender dysphoria diagnosis.

Although public schools will not be allowed to provide it

And no one is stopping males or females from "cross dressing".

But there are a number of people who don't want it to be allowed in the presence of their children

And it is true; (I believe you are the one who actually said this) that gender non-conforming individuals, generally dress androgynously to avoid the social issues of being too obviously... not the sex one wishes to present as.

LOL! See, that's why we need LGBT education in schools, so people won't believe crap like that.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

LOL - the answer you gave me was in response to "gender affirming care" clinics for children in Europe and Australia shutting down for being sued for irreparable harm to kids they'd "transitioned"; sued by those kids as adults. We weren't talking about the issues this ideology is causing in schools.

Can you be specific about what countries in Europe your talking about? I'm not aware about any suits of that kind in Sweden since 2013 and that was because the earlier laws required sterilization for legal and medical transitioning and those persons transitioned as adults.

 

[Hentenza]

What decision are you talking about?

Make the decision about their care.