The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Hentenza]

Once you accept the notion of mandatory public education, "We the people" of course.

I have a lady with a torch for sale, you interested?

 

[The Righterzpen]

They frequently do. The old people apparently find it very entertaining.

And why is that? (Because the old people have fully developed brains and understand what's going on children don't!)

Once you accept the notion of mandatory public education, "We the people" of course.

Except the 2 to 3 percent of the population that represents LGBTQ++ are not "we the people". We live in a constitutional republic. Where are the rights of the majority?

But hey, in this constitutional republic; if you want to rent a space and advertise "drag queen show for children"; you are free to do so. No one is going to stop you. And those who want their kids to participate can take them there. (After all it's just fun. Right?)

Things that parents do not want their kids seeing; should not be "part of the curriculum" of public education; where the parents have no say in what happens in the school.

If you would object to "Roman Catholic School style public education for K-12" based on "religious freedom"; why should I accept an ideology that idolatrarizes sexuality?

 

[The Righterzpen]

Something being mocked because of how strange the idea of it is does not equate to it being "normal".

That's a good point!

 

[Yarddog]

You can teach kids that without introducing them to lgbt issues. Its not like we don't have any other differences to point out. This isn't about teaching kids to be nice. Its about indoctrinating kids with lgbt is great and its okay to indulge in it.

Just what LGBT issues have you actually witnessed? I've seen none. I've seen no indoctrination of kids. I've heard charges by right wingers but seen nothing to back that up.

 

[rambot]

Still, it exists and is legal so there is really no reason to hide it from kids.

And doctors have developed a treatment that has positive outcomes....

 

[The Righterzpen]

I have a lady with a torch for sale, you interested?

That's ominous!

 

[rambot]

And why is that? (Because the old people have fully developed brains and understand what's going on children don't!)

They're doctors brains are fully developed and full of actual information and legitimate research on the topic.

Why disregard them?

 

[Yarddog]

Being honest with them about salvation. Jesus was very honest about that. He never indulged sin because he knew that it separated people from the Father.

I glad that you agree that rage in many far right wingers should be challenged. They need understand their sin.

 

[BCP1928]

Something being mocked because of how strange the idea of it is does not equate to it being "normal".

All social conventions are rightly subject to mockery. As social creatures we naturally govern our public behavior to a great extent by conforming to stereotypes. Parody of these stereotypes is a way of reminding us that they are just stereotypes and needn't be taken all that seriously.

 

[Yarddog]

I said nothing about "Christian Nationalist" nor do they have anything to do with my question.

That's where this post started.

 

[Hentenza]

That's ominous!

It’s a joke. When it comes to this issue “we the people” has been trampled and ignored.

 

[The Righterzpen]

They're doctors brains are fully developed and full of actual information and legitimate research on the topic.

Why disregard them?

I refer you back to Post #32 Apparently you did not read it. It is addressed to you!

 

[Hentenza]

And doctors have developed a treatment that has positive outcomes....

Such as?

 

[The Righterzpen]

It’s a joke. When it comes to this issue “we the people” has been trampled and ignored.

Yes, and that is ominous!

 

[rambot]

Things that parents do not want their kids seeing; should not be "part of the curriculum" of public education; where the parents have no say in what happens in the school.

I understand that compulsion but it is 100% misplaced and awful for education in the long run.
Thw fast is that parents only know what they know. But it's not like a cold bursts forth ceom the womb and tou are a great parent with the perfect set of knowledge to them them.
Parents are humans with limitations.

Also some parents are idiots (and I say this as a teacher who has watched and heard the many stoirs of parents.

This idea that every parent knows what's best foe their kid is just wrong. Sometimes parents base that on incorrect information and sometimes they make decisions based on cultural stances.
For example in my high needs poverty s hool we have a high immigrant background. Many od these kids have trauma in their background and thwir executive functions is compromised. Bur the parents feel that thwir culture will ostracized them I'd they get thr testing necessary for their kid to be in a classroom.morr appropriate for their learning (as they are literally ing beating the anotnout of other kids). Also have a white guy, born and bred Canadian kid doing rhe same thing but the parents just say "no" for no reason other than they don't "want to" get him assessed.


This stupid idea that parents always know best has to be put to reat

Case in point I'm guessing education in rhe south would STILL be segregated if parental rights were that steong.

Lastly, I seriously wonder how an education system is going to teach critical thinking if we don't challenge the thinking the kids.

 

[Fervent]

All social conventions are rightly subject to mockery. As social creatures we naturally govern our public behavior to a great extent by conforming to stereotypes. Parody of these stereotypes is a way of reminding us that they are just stereotypes and needn't be taken all that seriously.

If you're referring to drag, you might have a point. But if you're referring to the historic comedic trope of "haha male character in women's clothes" then your point falls flat, since the source of the mockery is the absurdity of a man in women's clothes not some ribbing of a stereotype. As drag is a recent phenomena belonging to a particular subculture, it hardly can be said to be a source of normality.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

That's actually what we do for people with gender dysphoria too: SEEK TREATMENT.

Might I be so bold as to say your opinion is simplistic. "How come we do one treatment one way and then not the same way with another disease?"
For example; I got strep throat and they didn't give me cancer radiation treatments.


We do it "That way" because doctors job's are to treat illnesses and to keep people alive. Doctor's have discovered that treating gender disphoria gets the best results (least deaths, better mental health outcomes).



I think there's a segment of the population who feel that their opinions on other people's bodies are more informed than those bodies and the doctor's that treat those bodies.

That is not a hubris that is healthy for anyone.

Gender dysphoria was initially documented in the early nineteenth century, with systematic and targeted research commencing after 1980. Medical professionals continue to examine whether gender dysphoria arises from psychological or genetic factors. Some studies suggest a potential genetic component; however, many experts remain unconvinced that it should be classified strictly as a genetic disorder. At present, the underlying causes of gender dysphoria are considered inconclusive.

The treatments commonly offered to individuals experiencing gender dysphoria are not entirely accurate, and there has not been enough research or time to fully understand their side effects. Although the first gender realignment surgery was performed in 1930, modern hormone therapies and gender-affirming surgeries became more widespread after 2013. In 2016, there were 4,552 gender-affirming surgeries; by 2020, this number had increased to over 12,000.

So when you say “I think there's a segment of the population who feel that their opinions on other people's bodies are more informed than those bodies and the doctor's that treat those bodies.” You are actually not correct.

Currently, the medical field has no definitive answers for gender dysphoria. The causes remain under debate, and long-term effects of hormone therapy and gender reassignment surgery are still unknown due to limited research.

However, certain segments of society are advancing ahead of scientific consensus. Society appears eager to embrace these changes even before the scientific community has provided definitive answers. Legislation regarding individuals with Gender Dysphoria is being enacted, educators are receiving training on this topic, and discussions are taking place within political, educational, and religious spheres. Yet, there remains a lack of comprehensive understanding of what Gender Dysphoria truly entails.

Here is a surprising statistic: fewer than 0.6% of Americans are suffering from gender Dysphoria . Perhaps we should focus our efforts and energy on issues that affect 2% of Americans rather than just 0.6%.

 

[rambot]

Such as?

1. I will posit that if the patient is informed and willing and the results are positive it really doesn't matter exactly what the treatment is (I imagining the 60s and 70s the thought of putting radiation in your body to fight cancer was a distasteful option).
2https://www.americanjournalofsurger...er gender affirming surgery is less than 1 ​%.


lowest regret rate of any plastic surgery. Improvements in all facets of mental health too.

Why shouldn't people be able to feel better?

 

[rambot]

If you're referring to drag, you might have a point. But if you're referring to the historic comedic trope of "haha male character in women's clothes" then your point falls flat, since the source of the mockery is the absurdity of a man in women's clothes not some ribbing of a stereotype. As drag is a recent phenomena belonging to a particular subculture, it hardly can be said to be a source of normality.

It's as abnormal as Rennassaince Fairs and LARPING.

Take that to mean what you will

 

[The Righterzpen]

I understand that compulsion but it is 100% misplaced and awful for education in the long run.
Thw fast is that parents only know what they know. But it's not like a cold bursts forth ceom the womb and tou are a great parent with the perfect set of knowledge to them them.
Parents are humans with limitations.

Also some parents are idiots (and I say this as a teacher who has watched and heard the many stoirs of parents.

This idea that every parent knows what's best foe their kid is just wrong. Sometimes parents base that on incorrect information and sometimes they make decisions based on cultural stances.
For example in my high needs poverty s hool we have a high immigrant background. Many od these kids have trauma in their background and thwir executive functions is compromised. Bur the parents feel that thwir culture will ostracized them I'd they get thr testing necessary for their kid to be in a classroom.morr appropriate for their learning (as they are literally ing beating the anotnout of other kids). Also have a white guy, born and bred Canadian kid doing rhe same thing but the parents just say "no" for no reason other than they don't "want to" get him assessed.


This stupid idea that parents always know best has to be put to reat

Case in point I'm guessing education in rhe south would STILL be segregated if parental rights were that steong.

Lastly, I seriously wonder how an education system is going to teach critical thinking if we don't challenge the thinking the kids.

You're a high school teacher...... and you can't put together two coherent paragraphs?
No wonder our educations system is trouble!

Wow... just wow!