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Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

Do you actually keep the Sabbath as outlined in the 4th commandment?

  • I believe that Sunday worship has replaced the Sabbath, and take my Sabbath rest on Sunday

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So the law can no longer condemn those that are in Christ because the law was weak and ineffective. So then if we walk in the Spirit of life then it is the Holy Spirit that condemns us now, right?
It is the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus. And No the spirit guides in righteous that we mortify the deeds of the body. The evil we would do, sin; is now condemned in the flesh through Christ Jesus. It has no power over us through faith. The faith the just live by that establishes the law that the spirit of the life of in Christ Jesus fulfills for those who walk in it. For the word through Christ, through the Spirit is in our hearts and mouths. That is the word of faith in which we preach.

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It is the spirit of the life in Christ Jesus. And No the spirit guides in righteous that we mortify the deeds of the body. The evil we would do, sin; is now condemned in the flesh through Christ Jesus. It has no power over us through faith. The faith the just live by that establishes the law that the spirit of the life of in Christ Jesus fulfills for those who walk in it. For the word through Christ, through the Spirit is in our hearts and mouths. That is the word of faith in which we preach.

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Good morning. It actually is the Holy Spirit that now convicts us of our sins. He dwells in us and provides guidance.

“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world regarding sin, and righteousness, and judgment: regarding sin, because they do not believe in Me; and regarding righteousness, because I am going to the Father and you no longer are going to see Me; and regarding judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭7‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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Not as implicit in the first commandment but rather as explicit in Lev 11.
Acts 10 Peter affirms the point that it is still followed at the time of his vision about Cornelius
In Gen 7 it is fully followed at the time of the flood.

In Is 66 it is still referenced at the coming of Christ.



Circumcision was never given to all mankind in Gen, or any part of the OT and is explicitly stated as not required for gentiles in Acts 15
So while it is a good health practice there is no moral obligation for it on gentiles.
Sabbath law is not the 7th day. It is a ritual memorial to the 7th day to be performed weekly. In creation God finishes his work then he ceases and this is what is called 7th day/Sabbath day and is holy. It is not superficial rest, or cerimonial rest, the completed work is needed and without the completed work there is no rest. With observance of Sabbath law we do not finish the work yet we still cease, so it is only superficially speaking that we cease and not from the result of finished work so the observance itself is incomplete and lacking.

We may wax eloquent about the 4th commandment and the 7th day of creation but they are not the same day. Sabbath law can never receive the rest of the 7th day through its formality of rest because we cannot finished the work. This is the point of the 4th (and for that matter the rest of law) as it exposes our need for something we cannot accomplish ourself.

Thisis no different than that of the sacrafice, or clean/unclean foods, or circumcision, etc... all exposing a void in us that we cannot fill yet law instructs us to keep on repeating. We cannot call ourself holy not can we keep something holy by our actions but when light is spoken into us, and a transformation work is complete in us, we are made holy just as the 7th day is. This can only be accomplished through Christ's finished work when he uttered on the cross "it is finished". So he has finished the work, and it is only through him we can obtain Sabbath rest.

This reveals the immeasurable value of the Sabbath while at the same time exposing the system of law, including the 10 commandments, as inadequate to produce the results needed. Sabbath law indeed points to something given to the world, but it does so ritually just as circumcision is, just as the sacrafice is, just as clean/unclean foods do etc... what the 7th day points to is redemption through Christ and if this is the meaning of the 7th day then it is the meaning of the 4th.

keeping sabbath can only remind us of this need but it does not fulfill the need which is an important distinction. Required in old covenant through physical observance but fulfilled through Christ in the new, so we may keep the physical observance but it will not gain us any spiritual merit, it is only through Christ we may receive the reward that the law proclaims.
 
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Sabbath law is not the 7th day. It is a ritual memorial to the 7th day
"The seventh day IS THE SABBATH of the Lord" Ex 20:10

That is pretty clear.
It is not superficial rest, or cerimonial rest
It is THE seventh day, devoted to God by God.
IT is THE seventh day , made holy and sanctified by God
It is THE Seventh day "made for mankind" Mark 2:27

Nothing else was made on the 7th day of creation week other than the Sabbath.
"God made it holy" Ex 20:11
We may wax eloquent about the 4th commandment and the 7th day of creation
or we could just quote scripture
but they are not the same day.
It is the same day, THE seventh day.

if you were actually quoting the commandment that you are talking about, it might be more clear to you.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter, your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Sabbath law can never receive the rest of the 7th day
sadly that statement seems to lack foundation
through its formality of rest because we cannot finished the work.
Genesis 2 is before the fall of man and makes no reference to Sabbath as a means of rescuing mankind from sin.

Genesis 2 is completely devoid of mankind being condemned to hell and in need of salvation.
Context matters.
 
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Good morning. It actually is the Holy Spirit that now convicts us of our sins.

Jesus said that was true before the cross, in John 16. IT is not something that became true at some later time.
He dwells in us and provides guidance.
In John 14 Jesus said the Holy Spirit already dwelt with His followers... before the cross
 
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Jesus said that was true before the cross, in John 16. IT is not something that became true at some later time.

In John 14 Jesus said the Holy Spirit already dwelt with His followers... before the cross
Yes, you can see Whose voice King David was speaking of in his day that Paul was quoting from in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4

Psa95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Heb 3:7
7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
8 Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion,
In the day of trial in the wilderness,
9 Where your fathers tested Me, tried Me,
And saw My works forty years.
10 Therefore I was angry with that generation,
And said, ‘They always go astray in their heart,
And they have not known My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’

I think sin, righteousness and judgement also needs to be defined by Scripture, what is the Holy Spirit convicting us of if we hear His voice Heb3:7-19. God never left that undefined.

According to Hebrews 3- sin, unbelief, disobedience and rebellion are all used interchangeably

Continuing on from Heb3:7..
12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but [b]exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? 17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


This same test applies to us to enter our Promise Land Rev22:14-15

And we see what Hebrews3 Hebrews 4 and King David was referring to those who preached the same gospel to those as well us to us Heb4:2 and why they could not enter, what we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience Heb4:6 Heb4:11

Eze20: 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them. 13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths. Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I acted for My name’s sake, that it should not be profaned before the Gentiles, in whose sight I had brought them out. 15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.


Sin is the same in the NT as it is in the OT

1 John3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

The Greek word for lawlessness in 1John3:4 is the same word Jesus used in Mat7:23

anomia: Lawlessness, iniquity, transgression
Original Word: ἀνομία
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Pronunciation: ah-noh-mee-ah
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
KJV: iniquity, X transgress(-ion of) the law, unrighteousness
NASB: lawlessness, lawless deeds, lawless deed
Word Origin: [from G459 (ἄνομος - lawless)]

1. illegality, i.e. violation of law
2. (genitive case) wickedness
 
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You are trying to explain Galatians without even quoting Galatians. You quoted one verse and then ignored the surrounding text that show the context.

I don't "ignore" any verse written in the Holy Scriptures, Ever! Please stop doing the exact same thing you accuse and complain about others doing to you.

How can a man understand who was bewitching the Galatians, if he doesn't understand or believe what Jesus said about those who were bewitching the Galatians? Galatians by itself, doesn't define the "Jews Religion" that the Pharisees promoted. You can't separate Galatians from the rest of the Bible, and understand what the "Jews Religion" was. A man needs the "Context" of these things Paul is talking about.

The Gospel Paul taught, was found in the Law and Prophets, as he teaches in Romans 1. The same Gospel was given to the Israelites, and they rejected it, not mixing the "hearing" with believing. How can a man understand the Gospel Paul taught, by reading Galatians alone. Paul doesn't define the Gospel of Christ in Galatians.

Paul speaks of "another Jesus", different than the Jesus "of the Bible". How can you separate Galatians from the rest of the Bible, and understand who Jesus was by the words in Galatians alone? A man must read the Law and Prophets, and the eyewitness accounts of Jesus to know what His Sayings were, and who HE was. Paul doesn't define for us the Sayings of the Christ in Galatians. And yet, only the houses of those who are "doers" of Christ's Sayings will stand in the end.

I don't believe a man can, in fact, I know that a man can not understand Galatians without first understanding who Paul was contending with, what the "Jews Religion was" and what "works of the Law" they promoted for justification, and what the Gospel that was preached to every creature under heaven, that Paul was also made a minister of.

NONE of this information is defined in the Book of Galatians. To understand these things a man must seek to understand them, in the other Holy Scriptures where they are defined. In my post to you, I answered some of these questions by going to the source, I posted the relevant Scriptures, for our discussion, and you accused me of Ignoring Scriptures.

But such is the heart of man, and I don't care about your names or accusations. I care about you. So please consider the reason for my post, and the source of my understanding. And point out where you think I am Scripturally wrong. Not just where I disagree with your philosophy, but where I diverge from what is actually written.

Paul mentions Circumcision, not living as the Gentiles live but as do the Jews, and being separate from those who are not Jews in chapter 2 of Galatians.

Yes, Paul calls the Pharisees, "The Circumcision". He also said he was once Zealous for the "Jews Religion", Wherein in time past he walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:." How can I understand what the "Jews Religion" is, by reading Galatians alone? Was the "Jews Religion" a religion that lived by and promoted God's Laws? No, Him, it was not, at least according to EVERY WORD Jesus spoke defining them. It was a religion that full well rejected God's Laws, and taught for doctrines the Commandments of men. It was a religion that was "Partial in the Law", and Omitted the weightier matters of the Law. It was a religion Pharisees placed on the necks of men, a Yoke of bondage that neither the Disciples nor their fathers could bear. A burden they placed on the backs of men they wouldn't lift with even one finger to carry. At least according to the Jesus of the Bible.

Paul said himself he was once zealous for the "Jews religion", and as touching the Law, "A Pharisee".

All this is the documented and undeniable Biblical Truth. But how can we know these things, if we separate Galatians from the rest of the bible, then create doctrines based on it's words alone? You can't my friend, well, you can, and many do. But such an endeavor with not bring about God's Truth.

So how was Peter "Living like a Jew"? If I adopt the popular religious philosophy of this world, that means Peter was rejecting the Law of Moses when he was eating with Faithful Gentiles, but "turned again" to the worthless and beggarly Elements of God, as soon as the Jews Came.

That seems to also be your position here based on the context of this reply.

But according to Paul and EVERY WORD the Jesus, "of the Bible" spoke to define the Pharisees, the "Jews religion" full well rejected God's Commandments, persecuted God's Church and taught for doctrines the commandments of men. NOT GOD as you imply Paul is teaching to the Galatians. And they were ignorant of God's Righteousness, and went about establishing their own righteousness refusing the submit to the Righteousness of God, that was revealed to them in the Law and Prophets, according to Paul's own teaching in Romans 1.

So when Peter withdrew from the Faithful Gentiles in fear of the "Jews".

For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they (Jews) were come, he withdrew and separated himself, "fearing them" which were "of the circumcision".

What are you teaching he was afraid of? "God's Laws"? Or the Commandments of Men they promoted which condemned Jesus and Stephen to death right in front of him, as they declared publicly, "We have a Law, and by our Law they should die"??


The Gentiles in Galatians Paul was speaking to, that Peter was eating with, had already repented, they had already turned to God and were bringing forth "works" worthy of repentance, as Paul teaches, Yes? They were already part of the Body of Christ, is this not true? Wasn't Peter then living as the Faithful Gentiles, and not as the rebellious Jews, being part of the Body of Christ, where there is no Jew or Gentile??

Surly you aren't teaching that "these Gentiles" Peter was eating with, that Paul said had received the Holy Spirit, were still worshipping pagan gods, drinking Blood, fornicating and eating animals that were strangled to death, contrary to the Law of Moses?

If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Isn't Paul saying, if Peter, a natural born Jew, was living as these Faithful Gentiles in the Body of Christ, and not after the "Jews Religion", then why would he compel these Faithful Gentiles to adopt the "Jews Religion" and be carried away with their dissimulation.?

And what LAW did the "Circumcision" teach for doctrines? The Commandments of men, or Commandments of God?

All of these things are laws within the Book of the Law that is mentioned in verse 3:10. Ergo the law mentioned that does not justify is the Book of the Law.

NO HIM! The "Book of the Law" defines Sin, it doesn't forgive or justify sin. It was never written to do so.

Duet. 27: 9 And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the LORD thy God. 10 Thou shalt therefore obey the voice of the LORD thy God, and do his commandments and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

But the "LAW" of the Pharisees, who had corrupted the Priesthood, taught that the "Works of the LAW" justified them. What were the "Works of the Law" Paul speaks to here and in Romans 3, that the Pharisees were promoting? I showed you in detail, the "ADDED" Law, but you didn't even acknowledge the Scriptures.

Please, I beseech thee, Read Isaiah 1 and please consider that it is showing you the "Jews Religion". Here are the Pharisees, the "Circumcision" 4 Ah sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they are gone away backward. 5 Why should ye be stricken any more? ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint."

If you can't accept that this is the "Jews religion" Paul tells you about in Gal. 1, or the Pharisees religion Jesus Speaks to over and over and over and over, then this entire conversation in a vanity and a waste of time. But I'm not convinced you are that blind, given your understanding of the Spirit of Christ speaking in David and those who place their trust in Him, "Lo, here I come to do thy will, Oh Lord". So just Please listen to God through Isaiah, as Paul did, as HE defines for you the "Jews Religion".

IS. 1: 10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah. 11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. 12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

My Brother, here are the Pharisees, living in complete rejection of God's Laws, "children of the devil" as Jesus calls them. Promoting a man made religion, clear as a bell.

Yet EVERY WEEK they gather before GOD with their Offering of the Blood of an innocent being, according to the LAW, to justify them of their sins. But these "Works of the LAW" did not Justify their willful rebellion, because the Flesh is not Justified by "Works of the Law". But the Pharisees would say, these Galatians Gentiles have sinned, and Moses said "if a man sins he shall bring a goat to us, the Priests of the Temple, and he is only justified, if HE is cleansed by "US", according to the LAW.

Paul is explaining to them that Abraham was Justified apart from this Law. Levi wasn't even born in Abraham's Time. This LAW wasn't even ADDED until 430 years after Abraham, and that, because God showed them Mercy in the wake of the golden calf. And it was a temporary priesthood from the very beginning, at it's conception, as Moses tells us.

Duet. 18: 18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

It was never God's Gospel or Law, to despise His Judgments, pollute His Sabbaths, reject His commandments, then show up once a week with the Blood of and Innocent Being, to justify a man of his willful sins.

And yet, this is exactly the "Jews Religion" being promoted to the Galatians. And it's the religion of our world as well.

In closing, it is written for my admonition, for my sake no doubt, about this world's preachers:

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.

17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one "that walketh after the imagination of his own heart", No evil shall come upon you. (Thou shall surely not die)

We are taught by this world's religions since our youth, that if we call Jesus Lord, Lord, and admit we sin, that God gives us His Holy Spirit, and writes the Laws in our hearts that HE wants us to keep, and helps us keep them. This way, every person's lifestyle is justified because they just say, "God's Spirit directed me to reject this Judgment, or Commandment, or Statutes. As it turns out, each preacher who "Transforms themselves into Apostles of Christ" had different Laws written on their hearts. That is pretty much what the Holy One of Israel is warning about in Jeremiah.

But when I read what is actually written in Scriptures, God gives His Holy spirit to those who "Obey Him". Those who "deny themselves", pick up their life's experiences, and follows Him. Those who Repent of their own free will, and "Yield themselves" unto God.

Acts 5: 29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given "to them that obey him".

But in this world, many of God's Laws are taught to be against Jesus, Paul and the Body of Christ. That the Pharisees were obeying God's Laws, and God rejected them for it.

That is the prism you are seeing Galatians, Ephesians and Colossians through.

I am hoping an honest, unbiased discussion of the Scriptures might shed some light on this topic, and that God might be Glorified "AS God", "as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged."
 
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Jesus said that was true before the cross, in John 16. IT is not something that became true at some later time.
Jesus had not left yet meaning that He had not been resurrected and gone to Heaven. The Holy Spirit will not come until then,


“But I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I am leaving; for if I do not leave, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
In John 14 Jesus said the Holy Spirit already dwelt with His followers... before the cross
The Holy Spirit was not yet indwelling the believer. In John 14 it is a future promise and in John 16 it tells you when.

“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever;”
‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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