Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

[Michie]

According to reports in The Wall Street Journal, billionaires in Silicon Valley are trying to expand the frontiers of genetic engineering in the eternal quest to create genetically engineered human beings with enhanced intelligence and traits preferred in different cultures.

Editing genes in sperm, eggs and embryos is currently banned in the United States. The current effort by Preventive, a Silicon Valley startup, involves a couple with a genetic abnormality who want to participate in producing a genetically engineered embryo.

Scientists are currently employing technologies for treating genetic birth defects (including edited and inserted DNA after birth, but not before birth).

In fact, scientists and medical ethicists have been calling “for a global moratorium until the ethical and scientific questions get resolved.”

Preventive is the harbinger of other efforts in Silicon Valley and beyond that are pushing all boundaries in the areas of genetic engineering and reproductive technologies. The stated goal is one of attempting to cure genetic diseases and genetic birth defects. The stated goal is to produce babies “who are free of genetic disease and resilient against illnesses.”

Continued below.

Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

When we start trying to engineer human beings, we are in way over our heads ethically and morally

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[The Barbarian]

The concept of repairing a defective gene in sperm or eggs is not intrinsically bad. But there are some huge issues, and they aren't merely ethical or moral (as important as those issues are). We aren't smart enough to know what such tinkering could cause. "Repairing" alleles that cause genetic disorders might well lower population intelligence, for example.

We should proceed very slowly, and learn from animal studies.

 

[johansen]

friend of mine overheard a conversation in the spiritual realm to the effect that:
We (the powers and principalities) don't need a free society to advance the human race any further, we can get the information we need from their dna to identify who can do what.

i mentioned this online somewhere and it gets downvoted: "he didn't hear anything, that's the plot to the movie Gattaca!"

anyhow..
its going to happen, the USA just won't be the first due to moral concerns.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

According to reports in The Wall Street Journal, billionaires in Silicon Valley are trying to expand the frontiers of genetic engineering in the eternal quest to create genetically engineered human beings with enhanced intelligence and traits preferred in different cultures.

Editing genes in sperm, eggs and embryos is currently banned in the United States. The current effort by Preventive, a Silicon Valley startup, involves a couple with a genetic abnormality who want to participate in producing a genetically engineered embryo.

Scientists are currently employing technologies for treating genetic birth defects (including edited and inserted DNA after birth, but not before birth).

In fact, scientists and medical ethicists have been calling “for a global moratorium until the ethical and scientific questions get resolved.”

Preventive is the harbinger of other efforts in Silicon Valley and beyond that are pushing all boundaries in the areas of genetic engineering and reproductive technologies. The stated goal is one of attempting to cure genetic diseases and genetic birth defects. The stated goal is to produce babies “who are free of genetic disease and resilient against illnesses.”

Continued below.

Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

When we start trying to engineer human beings, we are in way over our heads ethically and morally

www.christianpost.com

Trans-humanism is here to stay............................. unfortunately. At least until the Lord decides to stop their foolishness, like He's done before.

 

[johansen]

Trans-humanism is here to stay............................. unfortunately. At least until the Lord decides to stop their foolishness, like He's done before.

i'm not sure its foolishness at all.

yes, there will be unforeseen consequences. being born on this earth is bad enough, but being born and finding out at say, 20-40 years of age that you're sterile because your parents did some genetic experimentation on you to make you smarter, well, you're going to have to go take anger management classes...

I'm actually surprised I didn't get totally banned for a mild but interesting argument with an old man on reddit who felt personally offended in a thread where I predicted that the ever increasing number of vaccines are going to cause significant unforeseen consequences on the order of 100 to 200 years from now.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

i'm not sure its foolishness at all.

yes, there will be unforeseen consequences. being born on this earth is bad enough, but being born and finding out at say, 20-40 years of age that you're sterile because your parents did some genetic experimentation on you to make you smarter, well, you're going to have to go take anger management classes...

I'm actually surprised I didn't get totally banned for a mild but interesting argument with an old man on reddit who felt personally offended in a thread where I predicted that the ever increasing number of vaccines are going to cause significant unforeseen consequences on the order of 100 to 200 years from now.

Personally, I assess all forms of Trans-humanism as another form of religion, and they are 'designed' to compete with the Christian faith.

Of course, as with most things, I await the entrance of the futuristic brainiacs who think they're going to prove me wrong.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm actually surprised I didn't get totally banned for a mild but interesting argument with an old man on reddit who felt personally offended in a thread where I predicted that the ever increasing number of vaccines are going to cause significant unforeseen consequences on the order of 100 to 200 years from now.

Vaccines don't change genomes. There is the issue of epigenetics, which can last for a generation or two, but don't persist long-term. So no.

 

[timf]

Eugenics was popular in the 1930s. It didn't work out well for Germany.

 

[The Barbarian]

Eugenics was popular in the 1930s. It didn't work out well for Germany.

Darwinists like Reginald Punnett showed that the entire idea was mathematically flawed. It would take hundreds of years of Draconian control to remove harmful recessives from the population.

 

[eleos1954]

According to reports in The Wall Street Journal, billionaires in Silicon Valley are trying to expand the frontiers of genetic engineering in the eternal quest to create genetically engineered human beings with enhanced intelligence and traits preferred in different cultures.

Editing genes in sperm, eggs and embryos is currently banned in the United States. The current effort by Preventive, a Silicon Valley startup, involves a couple with a genetic abnormality who want to participate in producing a genetically engineered embryo.

Scientists are currently employing technologies for treating genetic birth defects (including edited and inserted DNA after birth, but not before birth).

In fact, scientists and medical ethicists have been calling “for a global moratorium until the ethical and scientific questions get resolved.”

Preventive is the harbinger of other efforts in Silicon Valley and beyond that are pushing all boundaries in the areas of genetic engineering and reproductive technologies. The stated goal is one of attempting to cure genetic diseases and genetic birth defects. The stated goal is to produce babies “who are free of genetic disease and resilient against illnesses.”

Continued below.

Is engineering a ‘super’ human being a good idea?

When we start trying to engineer human beings, we are in way over our heads ethically and morally

www.christianpost.com

Just like everything there will be both good and bad that comes along with the new technology advancements.

 

[JustaPewFiller]

Interesting.

Lets say they are successful at the whole lot of it and 40 years from now there are a bunch of folks wandering around who are better looking, smarter, faster, stronger and healthier that us normal folk.

Naturally, the "supers" will rise to the top. They'll probably have a head start anyway because they'll mostly come from well off families who could afford the treatments.

What do the "supers" that are now running the show do with the rest of us mere "normals" ?

That likely answers to that question make me think its a bad idea.

 

[johansen]

Vaccines don't change genomes. There is the issue of epigenetics, which can last for a generation or two, but don't persist long-term. So no.

that is what everyone thinks today, which is fine, that is their right.

the whole point is a prediction of unforeseen consequences on the order of past our lifetimes.
We don't know what vaccines will morph into, but i think we're going to have a problem when our vaccine schedule reaches 300-500 different immunizations.

 

[timewerx]

Lets say they are successful at the whole lot of it and 40 years from now there are a bunch of folks wandering around who are better looking, smarter, faster, stronger and healthier that us normal folk.

Naturally, the "supers" will rise to the top. They'll probably have a head start anyway because they'll mostly come from well off families who could afford the treatments.

What do the "supers" that are now running the show do with the rest of us mere "normals" ?

Nature could have done it or aliens. Could have happened over 40 years ago too. Just wondering why not well off families (would privilege waste those 'super genes' and lead to a dumbed down development?)? Not that I'm complaining. I wouldn't have changed a thing.

 

[The Barbarian]

Vaccines don't change genomes. There is the issue of epigenetics, which can last for a generation or two, but don't persist long-term. So no.

that is what everyone thinks today, which is fine, that is their right.

Comes down to evidence. Each of us is entitled to our own opinion. None of us is entitled to our own reality.

We don't know what vaccines will morph into

Vaccines don't "morph."

We don't know what vaccines will morph into, but i think we're going to have a problem when our vaccine schedule reaches 300-500 different immunizations.

Nature has been doing that since the origin of humans, only far, far more antigens in our bodies, to which our immune systems respond.

 

[johansen]

Vaccines don't "morph."

we will invent new ways to do what we're already doing, to fix the problems we already know about.
you'll easily have several options 100 years from now, take 200+immunizations over the first 15 years of your life, or a genetic upgrade for example. and it won't be the child making that choice.

there will be unforeseen consequences.

the covid vaccine was a big experiment and they had to make everyone get it so there wouldn't be a control group. we're now finding out the full extent of it and the current propaganda we're hearing is reduced cancer risk for people that got it.
well, what about the significantly increased misscarriage rate?

so there's a cost benifit trade off to everything.

 

[Fervent]

I'm just waiting for the first proprietary human. GLO-man.

 

[johansen]

I'm just waiting for the first proprietary human. GLO-man.

the licensing agreements will be boilerplate.

 

[The Barbarian]

the covid vaccine was a big experiment and they had to make everyone get it so there wouldn't be a control group.

The only statistically valid control groups were in the actual testing. However...

Who go against odds like that?

 

[Fervent]

the licensing agreements will be boilerplate.

How often you suspect they'll re-up the EULA before they engage in planned obsolescence?

 

[johansen]

How often you suspect they'll re-up the EULA before they engage in planned obsolescence?

Its a simple mathematics problem..

Whatever makes the most money