Do you keep the Sabbath? (poll)

[Hentenza]

God does not change.

Let’s cut to the chase. You guys continue with the Strawman that anyone here is arguing that God changes. What you are missing is that God’s plan included replacing the old covenant with a new one. This is God’s plan and He is certainly powerful enough to do as He wills.

The old covenant with the law was designed by God to point us to a savior, to a messiah. It was always God’s plan to send His beloved Son to die for our sins. ALWAYS. He didn’t change by ushering in faith and completing the terms of the old covenant by the ultimate and final sacrifice of blood.

• Psalms 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips.

He didn’t break Hs covenant. He issued a new covenant.

• Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

He did not change. He issued a new covenant.

• Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

He did not change. He issued a new covenant.

• James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

The new covenant is the perfect gift.

God's counsel is immutable (it doesn't change). It is impossible for God to lie.

• Hebrews 6:16-20 For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the immutability of His counsel, confirmed it by an oath, that by two immutable things [His promise and His oath], in which it is impossible for God to lie, we might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us. This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

Conclusion: If God does not change, God's counsel is immutable, and it is impossible for God to lie, all bases are covered concerning the immutable law of God, the Ten Commandments.

Again, and again, God did not change but merely followed His plan, completed the old covenant, and replaced it but with a new one. This new covenant was prophesied is the Old Testament. You guys are living in the already completed old covenant and are missing the wonderful new covenant and the council of the Spirit.

 

[Hentenza]

There is no need to re-interpret what God spoke, there’s power in His word its very plain all we need to do is believe and do what He asks through love and faith.

There is a need for you to evaluate your interpretation of God’s words. You are twisting God’s message. Start living in the new covenant and let go of what has become obsolete.

 

[Hentenza]

It is integrated into how we were made from the very beginning in the Garden of Eden.
Our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.
It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.
If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.
The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine.
What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27830946/
When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?

Your wall of words do not include a verse that shows that the law was given to the church. Why is that?

Btw- your circadian rhythm states that we should rest one day a week but it does not scientifically specify what day of the week should we rest. From a medical perspective the day is immaterial.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The New Covenant according to God. Yes, the old one is obsolete, the new one established on better promises Heb8:6 not new laws that sadly most teaches that is not found in our Bibles and against the direction of Jesus Mat5:19-30.

Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their [i]hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

Who defines God's laws, us or God, the Creator of everything.

The correct answer clearly is God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6

Why Paul confirms (not that we would need him to if we allow God to be God)

2 Cor3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink (man does on scrolls) but by the Spirit of the living God (Exo31:18) not on tablets of stone

Which law was written on tablets of stone, only the Ten Commandments, I would like to see man write with their finger on stone.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did this law go that God claimed this unit as His? Exo20:6 My commandments- the God of the entire Universe. Lets not speak for God, we are told not to Pro30:6

but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The New Covenant- the location of God's laws changed, the promises of how we can keep them through His Spirit if we cooperate with God John14:15-18 Rom8:7-8 God, keeping His promise not to change the words of His covenant Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 and man cannot change the law of God, because we are not God. Man can't sanctify a day or sanctify ourselves, we need the power of the living God who connected this to His Sabbath Exo20:11 Eze20:12 Gen2:3 we can go after our own sanctification, but its not God's Isa66:17

 

[HIM]

Circumcision was never given to all mankind in Gen, or any part of the OT

That is not true.

Exod 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

 

[Studyman]

Let’s cut to the chase. You guys continue with the Strawman that anyone here is arguing that God changes. What you are missing is that God’s plan included replacing the old covenant with a new one. This is God’s plan and He is certainly powerful enough to do as He wills.

Since we are "cutting to the chase", lets look at how God Himself, defines His Own Promised New Covenant.

Jer. 31: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

So there you have it. 2 things were promised to change.

#1. The manner in which God's Laws are administered. In the Law and Prophets, how did men receive God's Laws? Was it not by those who "Sit in Moses Seat"? Could I go to my home and study the "Book of the Law" in Old Testament times? NO!, I couldn't. I had to go find a Levite Priest who had exclusive possession of the Book, and listen to him read the Book to me. This is undeniable Biblical Truth.

But what about now? Do I have to go find a Temple somewhere that a priest exists who can open the "Book of the Law" and read it to me? NO!, We are in the New Priesthood Covenant, and God has delivered His Oracles into my own home, into my own mind and I don't need for another to teach me, because EVERYONE can know the Lord from the least to the greatest.

#2. The manner in which sins are forgiven. In the Law and Prophets, when a man sinned, he was required to go find a temple with a Levite Priest, take a yearling goat to the Priest, and Kill it. The Priest would then take it's Blood and perform "works" according to the Priesthood Law that Abraham didn't have, and through this process, as it is written;

Lev. 4:30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar. 31 And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat is taken away from off the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall burn it upon the altar for a sweet savour unto the LORD; and the priest shall make an atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him.

But in the New Priesthood Covenant, Prophesied Priest of God, after the Order of Melchizedek, offers to God His own Blood for the remission of sins, as prophesied.

So God replaces the Priesthood Covenant HE made when Moses went up to God the 2nd time, with a New Priesthood Covenant, with a Priest that is not a Levite.

There is nothing in God's Promises that prophesies of His definition of Sin, righteousness or Holiness is changed. Only the Priesthood.

At least this is what the Scriptures actually say.

The old covenant with the (Priesthood) law was designed by God to point us to a savior, to a messiah. It was always God’s plan to send His beloved Son to die for our sins. ALWAYS. He didn’t change by ushering in faith and completing the terms of the old covenant by the ultimate and final sacrifice of blood.

You forget the most relevant truth. God's definition of Sin was never prophesied to change, just the manner in which Sins were forgiven.

He didn’t break Hs (Priesthood) covenant. He issued a new (Priesthood) covenant.

This is true.

He did not change. (The Priesthood Changed, as it is written) He issued a new (Priesthood) covenant.

The new (Priesthood) covenant is the perfect gift.

Yes, no more dealings with corrupt human priests. We have the Oracles of God in our own home.

Again, and again, God did not change but merely followed His plan, completed the old (Priesthood) covenant, and replaced it but with a new one. This new covenant was prophesied is the Old Testament.

This is true, as the scriptures clearly point out to you.

You guys are living in the already completed old covenant and are missing the wonderful new covenant and the council of the Spirit.

In the New Priesthood Covenant, same as the Old Priesthood Covenant, God gives His Holy Spirit to those who Obey Him. Not the temporary Priesthood Laws that were to be in force until God's Prophesied Priest, "After the Order of Melchizedek" should come. Those sacrificial "works of the Law" have become old and have vanished away, as it is written.

I don't know of anyone on this forum that promotes the animal sacrifices of the Old Priesthood Covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That is not true.

Exod 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Him,
@BobRyan said circumcision wasn't given to mankind at Creation, like the Sabbath Exo20:11. These verses came after the fall. And it wasn't given directly to all mankind, like the Sabbath Mark2:27. Circumcision was given through Abraham descendants as a means to get access for the cure for sin (animal sacrifices at the earthy temple) Yes, gentiles could be grafted in through circumcision, but with the death of Jesus, that wall of separation was removed Eph2:11-15, Col2:11-14 and we all have access to the cure for sins - the blood of Jesus through genuine repentance, which means turning or forsaking our sins Pro28:13 walking a new life in Christ being buried of our sins being baptized with Christ. Rom6:1-4

 

[Freth]

Sure God doesn't change. The Law was "added later" to Scriptures because of Sin. Galatians 3

Genesis 26:5 shows that Abraham was aware of the law much earlier. It was the reason for God's promise to Abraham.

Genesis 26:2-5 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.​

We are heirs to the same promise:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

If we are heirs to the same promise, are we not held to the same standard? The very reason for the promise? What does Jesus say?

​

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.​

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

 

[HIM]

Your wall of words do not include a verse that shows that the law was given to the church. Why is that?

Why do you post antagonistically?

Maybe you don't know you do it?

Do we sin? If so, the Law is for us to use lawfully...

1Tim 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
1Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
1Tim 1:11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Btw- your circadian rhythm states that we should rest one day a week but it does not scientifically specify what day of the week should we rest. From a medical perspective the day is immaterial.

The fact there is a circadian rhythm is a powerful enough testimony in and of itself in respect to the Sabbath at Creation.

 

[HIM]

Him,
@BobRyan said circumcision wasn't given to mankind at Creation,

No he said...

Circumcision was never given to all mankind in Gen, or any part of the OT

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No he said...

It was never given to all mankind in the OT, it was given to Abraham's descendants, that Gentiles could get grafted in and access to the earthy temple by circumcision. The Sabbath was directly given to all mankind Mark2:27 Exo20:11, it came before sin, circumcision was not, came after and it served a different purpose.

 

[HIM]

It was never given to all mankind in the OT, it was given to Abraham's descendants, that Gentiles could get grafted in and access to the earthy temple by circumcision.

Ryan shares what he shared because his proclamation is that circumcision is not of the Law. That is not true as the verses below state.

In respect to what you post above. It was given to all who would hear. Therefore mankind.

Exod 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ryan shares what he shared because his proclamation is that circumcision is not of the Law. That is not true as the verses below state.

In respect to what you post above. It was given to all who would hear. Therefore mankind.

Exod 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

Num 9:14 And if a stranger shall sojourn among you, and will keep the passover unto the LORD; according to the ordinance of the passover, and according to the manner thereof, so shall he do: ye shall have one ordinance, both for the stranger, and for him that was born in the land.

Num 15:15 One ordinance shall be both for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth with you, an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye are, so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Ezek 44:9 Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.

Him,

I am on my way to church, I will address a little later. I do not believe Bob ever said it wasn’t a law, but its a law that started after sin, so it was never part of God’s perfect plan, that was not the case with the Sabbath Exo20:11 Mat2:27. Let’s start another thread on circumcision so we can discuss without taking this one off topic.

Talk later and God bless!

 

[pasifika]

That is a popular teaching promoted by this world's religious system. But in my studies, the Jesus "of the Bible" said more to define the religion of the Pharisees that anyone in the New Testament. Can you show me even one verse where Jesus taught men that the Pharisees were promoting God's Laws given to Moses? I mean, they were promoting "some" of God's Laws. Even satan promotes "some" of God's Laws.

Matt. 23: 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Malachi, all teach that the father's of the Pharisees rejected God's Laws, not that they promoted them. Who then, if not Jesus, or Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, or Malachi, is teaching you that the Pharisees were "promoting" God's Laws?

There's lots of verses regarding the Pharisees, read Matthew 23, John 7:19, etc

 

[pasifika]

Genesis 26:5 shows that Abraham was aware of the law much earlier. It was the reason for God's promise to Abraham.

Genesis 26:2-5 And the Lord appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of: Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.​

We are heirs to the same promise:

Galatians 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

If we are heirs to the same promise, are we not held to the same standard? The very reason for the promise? What does Jesus say?

​

Luke 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.​

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

What law you talking about? Definitely not the law "given" at Sinai 430years later after God made a covenant with him. Galatians 3.

Do you know what law?

 

[eleos1954]

and put in motion after the Israelites crossed the Red Sea.

I agree it was the symbol of creation. Jesus is the living proof.

Where did you find that in scripture or is it just a cliche?

Why would you try to establish something that cannot be proved?

Our creator and redeemer

Colossians 1:15-17 is a view of Jesus as both creator and redeemer, as it describes Him as the one "through whom all things were created" and "in whom all things hold together". Other supporting verses include John 1:1-3 and Titus 2:13-14, which speaks of Jesus as "our great God and Savior," and Revelation 14:7, which connects fearing God, giving Him glory, and worshipping the Creator to the final judgment.

 

[Studyman]

There's lots of verses regarding the Pharisees, read Matthew 23, John 7:19, etc

I was addressing your teaching, "The Pharisees we're promoting the old covenant Law."

The Scriptures you posted, expose this teaching as untrue according to Jesus. The Pharisees were not promoting God's Laws at all. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches about them.

 

[Hentenza]

The New Covenant according to God. Yes, the old one is obsolete, the new one established on better promises Heb8:6 not new laws that sadly most teaches that is not found in our Bibles and against the direction of Jesus Mat5:19-30.

Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their [i]hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Heb 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

Who defines God's laws, us or God, the Creator of everything.

The answer clearly is God. Deut4:13 Exo34:28 Exo20:6

Why Paul confirms (not that we would need him to if we allow God to be God)

2 Cor3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone

Which law was written on tablets of stone, only the Ten Commandments, I would like to see man write with their finger on stone.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

And where did this law go that God claimed this unit as His? Exo20:6 My commandments- the God of the entire Universe. Lets not speak for God, we are told not to Pro30:6

but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

The New Covenant- the location of God's laws changed, the promises of how we can keep them through His Spirit if we cooperate with God John14:15-18 Rom8:7-8 God, keeping His promise not to change the words of His covenant Psa89:34, not a jot or tittle Mat5:18-19 and man cannot change the law of God, because we are not God. Man can't sanctify a day or sanctify ourselves, we need the power of the living God who connected this to His Sabbath Exo20:11 Eze20:12 Gen2:3 we can go after our own sanctification, but its not God's Isa66:17

Your interpretation of every single verse that you posted has already been refuted multiple times. Secondly your argument is heavily sided from the old covenant and only borrows a couple of verses from the new covenant that you think agree with you. What I don’t see you argue is the purpose of the Holy Spirit in the new covenant versus the old covenant. Your argument emphasizes in the OT law not on the council and guidance of the Spirit. Your argument is a legalist argument in which the logical ending is a salvation by works. You can say otherwise but it is clear from

 

[pasifika]

I was addressing your teaching, "The Pharisees we're promoting the old covenant Law."

The Scriptures you posted, expose this teaching as untrue according to Jesus. The Pharisees were not promoting God's Laws at all. At least this is what the Jesus "of the Bible" teaches about them.

The Pharisees we're teaching the old covenant law. But their problems is they don't really followed it. Their actions were far from what they taught. Again read Matt 23

...Do what they say, But don't do what they do, for they don't practice what they preach..Matt 23:3

If you not notice it Jesus never condemn what the Pharisees we're preaching but their actions are evil.

So that's what the Pharisees we're promoting or not.

 

[Studyman]

What law you talking about? Definitely not the law "given" at Sinai 430years later after God made a covenant with him. Galatians 3.

Do you know what law?

Freth posted, from the Holy God's Inspired Words, that it was "God's" Laws, commandments and Statutes that Abraham obeyed. And that it was the SAME "GOD" that gave Moses, "God's" Laws, Commandments and Statutes, that Abraham Obeyed.

So it seems Freth is speaking about "God's LAWS", God's Statutes, God's commandments. There is only ONE God, Yes?

As to the "LAW" that was ADDED 430 years after Abraham, "because of Transgressions of God's Commandments, Statutes and Laws", that would be the Levitical Priesthood Laws. Levi wasn't even Born yet in Abraham's time, so we know Abraham wasn't under the Levitical Priesthood Law. Therefore he was not required, by "God's Law", to take a goat to a Levite Priest, and kill it, before the remission of his sins could be provided for.

That "LAW" was not ADDED until 430 years after Abraham, and was only to be in force, until the True Lamb of God should come.

It was ADDED after the golden calf, (Transgression) when Moses went up on the mount the 2nd time to receive another Covenant after Israel broke the one God made with them on Mt. Sinai.

Ex. 19: 3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. "These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel".

7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

8 And "all the people" answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken "we will do". And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.

But the People broke this covenant with the golden calf, (Transgression Paul speaks to) and God was going to wipe them all out and make a great nation out of Moses. But Moses pleaded with God, and God showed them mercy and allowed Moses to go up a 2nd time, and God wrote the same Words that were on the first tablets. (God's Commandments) But HE ADDED a Priesthood Law concerning the remission of Sins that was to be in place until the Prophesied Messiah was to come. (Lev. 4) This is the Law Abraham was not given, as it wasn't "ADDED" until 430 years later.