The Thing Most Sabbath Keepers Do not Talk About.

[Jerry N.]

It is a strange thing to say that keeping the Sabbath is a man-made doctrine.

Here is a quote from Who changed the Sabbath to Sunday?:

“On March 7, A.D. 321, Constantine the Great issued the first civil Sunday law, compelling all the people in the Roman Empire, except farmers, to rest on Sunday. This, with five other civil laws decreed by Constantine concerning Sunday, set the legal precedent for all civil Sunday legislation from that time to the present.

In the 4th century, the Council of Laodicea urged Christians to honor Sunday by abstaining from work on that day if at all possible, and prohibited them from abstaining from work on the Sabbath.” The whole article is worth a read.

God wrote the Ten Commandments and Constantine moved the day of rest from Saturday to Sunday. So which is a man-made doctrine?

By the way, this thread is about how people keep the Sabbath. If you keep Sunday as a day of rest, how do you do it?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You are a voice, and faithfully express a denominational theology with considerable human loyalty.

Whereas, God can speak for Himself by His Spirit.

Biblical quotes are delivered to support assumptions made by denominational founders.

Better to put serious time aside to learn how to hear God and receive revelation from devotional reading of His book.

His anointing will teach you if you have it.

As Paul said we don't need other folks to teach us but His Spirit within is our True Teacher.

Further there are not many things God Hates - but one is prophets who steal one another's words.

Passing on inspiration from others without receiving it yourself is a serious sin and we do well to avoid this trap by avoiding those who want to be God's voice in place of the Holy Spirit.

This is why so many never finds Truth, instead of looking at Who (in this case) is speaking, they focus on their own biased opinions.

The whole Bible is about the testimony of God through His apostles and disciples

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

Yet when it comes to God's own written and spoken Testimony, not written by man, but God Himself. Exo31:18 Few believe.

Sad world we live in but we its what we are told would happen.

2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables


God's Truth, not SDA's - we just happen to believe Him without editing His words He said He would not Psa89:34 Deut4:13

Jesus is the Truth John 14:6
All His commandments are Truth Psa 119:151
His Word is Truth John 17:17

Hopefully one will consider these Truths before its too late, only Truth sets us free.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You do realize that the early Christian church met daily in the temple? They didn't just set out one day for worship, preaching, etc. They assembled daily and God added to the church daily.

Can you please point to one verse in the Bible where they met every first day for hearing the word of God and this now means we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. Where God sanctified any other day for holy use, aside from the seventh day?

And Paul even talked about collections on the first day of the week when he wrote to one of the churches he set up.

It was not a church collection why he clearly said there will be no gatherings (on the first day). It was not for tithes for God, it was to help the needy. My church does stuff like this on Sundays all the time as well.

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Today, we have that freedom in Christ. We don't need a day to specifically worship God. That would make us a part time Christian.

Freedom in Christ to vain His holy name, freedom in Christ to worship other gods, or do you apply this just to one of the commandments. Forgetting the only commandment God said Remember and tells us who is the Author is of the other 9 commandments.

We should worship and love him 24/7.

Of course, no one is saying anything different. As I stated previously I read and pray daily, but no one can keep the Sabbath they way God said 365 a year and survive. God set it up so we can get out works done in 6 days and keep the seventh day, His Sabbath as the holy day resting in Him as in the example of Jesus and the apostles and how God said, Jesus told us to live by Mat4:4 . The Sabbath is the only day the God of the bible claimed as His holy day Isa58:13 yet millions if not billions cast this holy and sacred day aside in lieu of man-made traditions that God said is for work and labors. This is what God said about that Eze22:26

Breaking one of God's commandment, the one that tells us how to keep all days is not worship. Jesus said when we keep mans traditions over God's commandments, quoting from the Ten Commandments it false worship. Mark7:7-13 Mat15:3-14

And we could go to church every day if one was in place to do so. Going to church on a Sat or Sun was not what the Sabbath was put in place for. And Paul certainly straightens us out on not judging people about such things one way or the other.

I am going to have to go back to what God of the Bible said the Sabbath was for Lev 23:3 which is how Jesus Luke4:16 and the apostles spent their time doing Acts 13:44 Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 and will continue in the New Heaven and New Earth Isa66:23 God wants us in one body, not on an island.

But the law can't save us.

Agree, that's not its purpose, the Law shows us our true condition if we allow it to, and shows our need for a Savior. If we do not know we are dirty because we have gotten ridden the Law, all one will do is cover their sins.

James 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. (quoting and contrasting the Ten Commandments) 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

The Ten Commandments, Gods Testimony His unedited version is what sits under His mercy seat Exo 25:21 and is in heaven Rev 11:19 Rev15:5 as it is Gods standard of Judgement Rev11:18-19 James 2:11-12 Ecc12:13-14 Rev22:14-15 Mat5:19-30 Ecc12:13-14 why Jesus said it is His words that will Judge us John 12:48 God's Testimony Exo31:18

Why He says in His written and spoken Testimony

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Why covering ones sins and not allowing God to be God I do not think is going to work out well

Pro 28:13 He who covers his sins will not prosper,
But whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

We will always fall short of keeping it in some way or the other. Maybe not even intentionally or without thinking. We are in the flesh. We should always strive to walk in the spirit but we will never find perfection in these flesh bodies.

I am of a different belief

John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you[b] will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you. 8 By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.
9 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. 10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

We can't do anything on our own, but through Christ all things are possible even overcoming sin. God promises He has a people that overcomes. Its starts with allowing God to be God and not change something He said He would not Psa89:34 Deut4:13 Mat5:18-19

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Again, we all fall short in the flesh. Are you stating you are without sin?

No, not at all but I am not covering my sins and have faith He will finish what He started, to do His good will Psa40:8 , not mine. But if I am rebelling against the law of God Rom8:7-8 the Spirit has no place to work in us, why He keeps calling on us to not harden our heart to the deceitfulness of sin. Heb3:7-19

Loving God with all our hearts souls and mind and loving our neighbors will always count as fulfilling the law. That's a promise from Christ. When we fall short of that, we get back on the path to striving for those two commandments -putting the spirit over the flesh.

No one is loving God with all their heart, mind and soul by breaking God's commandments. One is just deceiving themselves into thinking this, sadly. Its the opposite of love. Not keeping what God asked us to keep If we love Him. Exo20:6 John14:15 John15:10

Again, I know we will not agree on this on this, especially Hebrews chapter 4.

Thats true.

I wish you well.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The first and second generation of church fathers did not write in support of sabbath keeping, and some specifically wrote against it. It's never been a recorded part of church history. And it wasn't until the 19th century that it ever became a thing with the exception of an odd small sect here and there that were formed after the reformation. Like the seventh-day Baptists from the 18th century. Christian sabbath keeping, historally speaking, is a relatively new invention. If the earliest church fathers didn't practice it, there's no reason why it should be practiced by Christians. Other than the desire to follow nuvo man-made doctrine.

This is what happened after the apostles died.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.

There were still God's people who were keeping the Sabbath after the Cross (just as Jesus said Mat24:20) why this decree went out against what God commanded, because people were still being faithful to God keeping God's Sabbath after 321A.D. but sadly were persecuted unless following what man decreed over God. Just like in Daniel. Just like what is going to happen again, I think soon.

This is the Scriptures being fulfilled

The Seven Ecumenical Councils — Philip Schaff
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIX.

A Christian shall not stop work on the Sabbath, but on the Lord's Day. (the exact opposite of what God said Exo20:8-11) Isa8:20



Whenever people would go away from the word of God in Scriptures this is what God would do.

2 Cor 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent warnings to them by His messengers, rising up early and sending them, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place. 16 But they mocked the messengers of God, despised His words, and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, till there was no remedy.

God does not change.

If you are looking to man on what they do, sadly one is missing the message of God to get back to His word. Worship this God, the Creator of the Universe Exo20:11 Rev14:7

God's people have always been a remnant and will also be Rev12:17KJV

No one in the 19th century wrote the Testimony of God. God did that Himself Exo:31:18. The whole bible is about the testimony of God through His apostles and prophets. Yet when it comes to the God of the Universe own written and spoken Testimony, few believe Exo31:18 despite it being what we will be Judged by John12:48 James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17, Rev 11:18-19 Rev15:5 Mat5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14

 

[Studyman]

The first and second generation of church fathers did not write in support of sabbath keeping, and some specifically wrote against it.

While I agree with you, that "Many" of this world's religious sects and businesses "who call Jesus Lord, Lord" created their own sabbaths and high days, and spoke against and wrote against the Sabbaths of God. It certainly seems prudent to accept that The Church of God, according to scriptures, didn't engage in this same behavior. And it also seems prudent to understand that religious men throughout the History of the bible, "who professed to know God", polluted and rejected God's Sabbaths from the beginning. The "church fathers" of the religious sect of the Pharisees most certainly polluted and promoted handwritten ordinances which were "against" God's Sabbaths and those Faithful believers who Honored God though them. This is why Paul told the Body of Christ not to let others Judge them for their voluntary humility of "Yielding themselves to God and their bodies as instruments of Righteousness unto God. I am happy to show the actual scriptures which God inspired to be written, if you would like.

The First Church of God "under His Prophesied High Priest "after the Order of Melchizedek" (Christ Jesus) most certainly Honored and Respected God concerning His Sabbaths. Ironically, after Passover, that God's Church observed, and Feast of Unleavened Bread, that God's Church observed, they were instructed to "count Sabbaths" correctly so as to be gathered on the Holy Feast of the Lord, "Feast of weeks" or as it was called in the English Translation "Pentecost". For their obedience and respect for God, they were granted His Promised "Holy Spirit", that God Gives to them who obey Him, as promised in the Law and Prophets and confirmed by Zacharias in Luke 1, and Peter in Acts.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. (Which is only our reasonable service according to Paul) 30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. 32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

I would caution folks to "Beware" of the philosophies and traditions of this world's religions and the church fathers who promoted them. Both the Law and Prophets, Jesus and Paul warned about these religions which exist in the world God placed us in. We should "take Heed" of their doctrines and Judgments and "Yield ourselves" servants to obey God, as the Scriptures all teach.

It's never been a recorded part of church history.

Not of this world's religions. But it is a commandment given by God, for their well being, in the History of God's Church.

And it wasn't until the 19th century that it ever became a thing with the exception of an odd small sect here and there that were formed after the reformation. Like the seventh-day Baptists from the 18th century. Christian sabbath keeping, historally speaking, is a relatively new invention. If the earliest church fathers didn't practice it, there's no reason why it should be practiced by Christians. Other than the desire to follow nuvo man-made doctrine.

I guess that would determine where a persons loyalties lie. If they follow Paul's instruction:

Rom. 12: 1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye "present your bodies" a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: (This would include it's religions as well, in my understanding) but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. (Not traditions and doctrines of religious men)

And as it turns out, God has made His Oracles available to all men, so that there is no excuse. And these Scriptures, according to Paul, are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Shall we not then submit to God's Righteousness, as opposed to following the example of the mainstream religions of the world at Paul's Time, who were "ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God."

Certainly something to ponder for those who believe in Jesus and are "Seeking the Righteousness of God".

 

[JulieB67]

Can you please point to one verse in the Bible where they met every first day for hearing the word of God

Acts 2:46 "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread with gladness and singleness of heart,"

Common sense alone tells us through this next verse that the Word was being taught daily.

Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

One would not be added to the church if they hadn't heard the Word in the first place.

where they met every first day?

I never stated that. I said daily. Meaning they were together daily, spreading the Word, breaking bread, etc.

and this now means we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment.

I'm just stating that assembling together can be any day and every day. And Paul taught whenever and anywhere. We don't need a specific day to hear the Word of God being taught

Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."

It was not a church collection why he clearly said there will be no gatherings

It was most definitely a church collection and he wanted it done so when he arrived it would not have to be done.

I Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gathers when I come."

This is most definitely about their tithes and offerings.

why he clearly said there will be no gatherings (on the first day).

He did not state that there will be no gatherings on the first day. He stated that on the first day of the week, they need to lay in store as God had propered them. This is a collection of their tithes and offerings. He specifically stated to do that so - "that there be no gathers when I come" It would already have been done when he arrives.

It was not for tithes for God, it was to help the needy

Verse stating this was for the needy? Because I see that it is a collection for the saints in Jerusalem. Our tithes usually go to the ones spreading the Word of God and we see that here.

And in the next verse he states he will send someone with that " liberality/bountifulness in the Greek to Jersusalem"


I Corinthians 16:3 "And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem."

but through Christ all things are possible even overcoming sin

I believe one can continue over their lifetimes to mature as a Christian, thus making it easier to overcome tempations when they arise, etc.

No one is loving God with all their heart, mind and soul by breaking God's commandments.

That's where we differ of course. I believe our rest today can only be found in Christ. You believe finding that rest is by observing a day of the week.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Acts 2:46 "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread with gladness and singleness of heart,"

Common sense alone that this next verse tells us the Word was being taught-

It says breaking bread or having a meal. It does not say anything about 1. a transfer of the Sabbath commandment. 2. establishing a new day of worship.

Best not to add what's not there. At least that's what God word tells us. Pro30:5-6

Acts 2:47 "Praising God, and having favour with all people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved."

Say nothing about 1. a transfer of the Sabbath commandment. 2. establishing a new day of worship

I speak about God daily to people in hopes they will be added to His church (saved) does not mean it starts deleting the commandments of God. Then I would be speaking on my own authority, without His power what we were warned would happen in the last days. 2 Tim 3:5-6

I'm just stating that assembling together can be any day and every day. And Paul taught whenever and anywhere. We don't need a specific day to hear the Word of God being taught

Acts 20:7 "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight."

This verse says nothing about 1. a transfer of the Sabbath commandment. 2. establishing a new day of worship.

But if looking at the context this is a one-time meeting, they came together Saturday evening (after church Acts 15:21) Sunday morning as days start in the evenings, and it tells why, because Paul was going on a mission trip traveling on the first day of the week and would be gone for a while so they came together to have a meal and have a meeting.

Also the word that was used, if going by Strongs

The KJV translates Strong's G1256 in the following manner: dispute (6x), reason with (2x), reason (2x), preach unto (1x), preach (1x), speak (1x).

It was most definitely a church collection and he wanted it done so when he arrived it would not have to be done.

I Corinthians 16:2 "Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him,

Again doesn't say:

1. a transfer of the Sabbath commandment. 2. establishing a new day of worship.

It was simply a onetime collection to help with the needy. God owns 100% of everything, giving what one can to the needy does not replace tithing.

This is most definitely about their tithes and offerings.

Verse please. It doesn't say that.

He did not state that there will be no gatherings on the first day.
He stated that on the first day of the week, they need to lay in store as God had propered them. This is a collection of their tithes and offerings. He specifically stated to do that so - "that there be no gathers when I come" It would already have been done when he arrives.

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

This was extra money people set aside at their homes, not a church gathering. You are adding what is not there.

The apostles did a lot of things on a lot of different days. Doesn't make the commandments of God start disappearing. The apostles were commissioned to spread the gospel, not change God's times and laws, that was the spirit we were warned against. Dan7:25

You did not establish that the apostles came together every first day for worship and the Sabbath day commandment that God said He would not alter Psa89:34 Deut 4:13 Mat5:18-19 changed.

Even the apostles taught we ought to obey God over man. Acts 5:29

That's where we differ of course. I believe our rest today can only be found in Christ. You believe finding that rest is by observing a day of the week.

Our rest is found in Christ and those who enter His rest also rest from their works as God did Heb4:10, on the seventh day Heb4:4 because God's people are followers of Christ, its literally what Christian means, following in His example Luke4:16 and living by His every Word, like keeping the commandments of God, the way God wrote and spoke God's own Testimony that no man is greater. Hopefully one day you will see this.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

@JulieB67

Perhaps this might help in regards to what God established the Sabbath for and how we see the apostles keeping just the way Jesus said His house of prayer would be.

God said the Sabbath was a Holy Convocation Lev23:3

Jesus said:

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”

What is Jesus quoting....

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

What did Jesus say His people would be doing in His house of prayer?

Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles in God's house of prayer (assembly) keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross


Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And God's house of pray continues in this same assembly on the Sabbath for worship for eternity, thus saith the Lord. God does not change. Mal3:6 Heb 13:8

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God identified only one holy day for Him, in all of Scripture, sadly man assigned God a day He said was for works and labors that most keep in lieu of what God said to do.

This is God speaking here...

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The end times is about worship. Do we worship God the way He tells us to, or follow what's popular by man's traditions.

Lets not be cheated

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

We are told to get back to worship our Creator Rev 14:7 which is what the Sabbath is about Exo20:11

 

[Hentenza]

@JulieB67

Perhaps this might help in regards to what God established the Sabbath for and how we see the apostles keeping just the way Jesus said His house of prayer would be.

God said the Sabbath was a Holy Convocation Lev23:3

Jesus said:

Mark 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”

What is Jesus quoting....

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”


6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

What did Jesus say His people would be doing in His house of prayer?

Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant

Why we see both Jews and Gentiles in God's house of prayer (assembly) keeping every Sabbath decades after the Cross


Acts 13:27 For those who dwell in Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they did not know Him, nor even the voices of the Prophets which are read every Sabbath, have fulfilled them in condemning Him.

Acts 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Acts 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

And God's house of pray continues in this same assembly on the Sabbath for worship for eternity, thus saith the Lord. God does not change. Mal3:6 Heb 13:8

Isa 66:23 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

God identified only one holy day for Him, in all of Scripture, sadly man assigned God a day He said was for works and labors that most keep in lieu of what God said to do.

This is God speaking here...

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

The end times is about worship. Do we worship God the way He tells us to, or follow what's popular by man's traditions.

Lets not be cheated

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [e]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

We are told to get back to worship our Creator Rev 14:7 which is what the Sabbath is about Exo20:11

What a hermeneutical disaster. Each one of these verses are ripped apart from their historical and semantic context. That is what happens when you quote mine verses in isolation to force an interpretation. I have refuted every one of these verses from your c&p collection but you continue to spread the falsehood.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What a hermeneutical disaster. Each one of these verses are ripped apart from their historical and semantic context. That is what happens when you quote mine verses in isolation to force an interpretation. I have refuted every one of these verses from your c&p collection but you continue to spread the falsehood.

The real disaster is trying to rip Scripture away from the Testimony of God when the entire Bible hangs on it. Showing how to love God according to God and love to our neighbor keeping intact what God of the Bible said plainly He would not alter Psa89:34 Deut 4:13. We either believe Him or try to make the Bible teach against God's Testimony out of context. My belief there is no greater Authority than our Creator. Exo20:11 This is the God we are told to get back to worshipping Rev 14:7 before its too late Rev 18:4


But its not for you to decide, or I, we have a much Greater Authority to answer to soon. I do not believe God is going to change His mind of what is under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 which He tells plainly who He shows mercy to Exo20:6 which reconciles one through love and faith Rev 22:14

 

[Mercy Shown]

You are a voice, and faithfully express a denominational theology with considerable human loyalty.

Whereas, God can speak for Himself by His Spirit.

Biblical quotes are delivered to support assumptions made by denominational founders.

Better to put serious time aside to learn how to hear God and receive revelation from devotional reading of His book.

His anointing will teach you if you have it.

As Paul said we don't need other folks to teach us but His Spirit within is our True Teacher.

Further there are not many things God Hates - but one is prophets who steal one another's words.

Passing on inspiration from others without receiving it yourself is a serious sin and we do well to avoid this trap by avoiding those who want to be God's voice in place of the Holy Spirit.

Amen, if one can find a group of people committed to knowing God better and meet in open minded study of Gods word, amazing growth can occur. But if one signs up with a denomination--they always has an agenda--there is a conflict of interest between the Spirits agenda and the denominations agenda. There is only one baptisim, one faith, one Lord, and one church which is the Body of Christ. When we join a denomination we become exclusive to some degree at least and view ourselves as at least wise enough to have chosen the "right" denomination with " the most truth."

 

[JulieB67]

Best not to add what's not there.

Like you did here below -

why he clearly said there will be no gatherings (on the first day)

He did not state there will be no gathers on the first day.

His directions were to the "churches" that on the first day of the week, they would lay in store what God had prospered them so there wouldn't be any gathers when "he came". It's just the opposite of what you stated.

. 2. establishing a new day of worship.

You must have me confused with someone who claims Sunday is the new Sabbath. You would be incorrect.

It was simply a onetime collection to help with the needy

Who's adding to God's word?? It didn't say it was a one time collection, you added that. And it does not say it was for the "needy" You added that as well. It's a collection for the saints and it was being sent to Jerusalem -biblical. It would most likely be used for food, travel, etc. Whatever they needed to keep the church going I'm sure. Anything to help with the church. But it states nothing specifically about the needy. You have added to God's word by stating that. And yet accuse others of doing it. And wouldn't they have needy in their own church in Corinth? Why take it specifically to Jerusalem? And He also instructed the Galations to do their collection as well in the same matter.

that there be no gatherings when I come.

You keep missing this point. And it's easy to see he's he states "gathers" he's talking about their collections.

every first day

Again, you are confusing me with someone who argues for Sunday instead of Saturday and you would be wrong. I worship and praise God every day.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Like you did here below -


He did not state there will be no gathers on the first day.

This is what I said

1 Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

His directions were to the "churches" that on the first day of the week, they would lay in store what God had prospered them so there wouldn't be any gathers when "he came". It's just the opposite of what you stated.

Where does it say churches in this verse?

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

You must have me confused with someone who claims Sunday is the new Sabbath. You would be incorrect.

Thats good.

Who's adding to God's word?? It didn't say it was a one time collection, you added that.

Paul is clearly talking about a specific organized one-time collection. Nothing that says every Sunday. Its not about a collection for church, it about an offering to the poor,


1 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.

4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Nothing about an ongoing event

And it does not say it was for the "needy" You added that as well. It's a collection for the saints and it was being sent to Jerusalem -biblical.

Paul speaks of this event in Romans too

Romans 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

It would most likely be used for food, travel, etc. Whatever they needed to keep the church going I'm sure. Anything to help with the church.

It doesn't say church, it's not a church offering.

But it states nothing specifically about the needy.

Romans 15:25-26

You have added to God's word by stating that.

I didn't. Its something I try not to do and just let the God of word speak for Itself. What we are told to do. Pro3:5-6

And yet accuse others of doing it.

I'll let the fact that many things that were stated are not found in the Scriptures.

Again, you are confusing me with someone who argues for Sunday instead of Saturday and you would be wrong. I worship and praise God every day.

Amen! And if go by what Jesus said laying aside the commandments of God is not how to worship Him in truth, its something He condemned quoting from the Ten Commandments. Not my words, His. Mar 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

Worship is related to our obedience, because whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16

 

[Hentenza]

The disaster is trying to rip Scripture away from the Testimony of God when the entire Bible hangs on it. Showing how to love God according to God and love to our neighbor keeping intact what God of the Bible said plainly He would not alter Psa89:34 Deut 4:13. We either believe Him or try to make the Bible teach against God's Testimony out of context. My belief there is no greater Authority than our Creator. Exo20:11 This is the God we are told to get back to worshipping Rev 14:7 before its too late Rev 18:4


But its not for you to decide, or I, we have a much Greater Authority to answer to soon. I do not believe God is going to change His mind of what is under His mercy seat Exo25:21 Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 His written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 which He tells plainly who He shows mercy to Exo20:6 which reconciles one through love and faith Rev 22:14

This is a typical mix of verses that do not help your case and verses that you are using to condemn those that don’t believe as you or your church does.

Psalm 89:34-
““I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭89‬:‭34‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Psalm 89:34 “I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips.

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He did not violate His OLD covenant but merely made a better NEW covenant. See Heb. 8.

This verse does not help you.

Deut. 4:13
“So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭4‬:‭13‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Deuteronomy 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

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Absolutely and given to Israel never to the Christian church.

Thus verse does not help you.

Exodus 20:11
““Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be prolonged on the land which the Lord your God gives you.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 20:12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be prolonged on the land which the LORD your God gives you. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be prolonged on the land which the LORD your God gives you.

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First, the audience is Israel not the Christian church.

Secondly, look at what the result is. Do this do so that your days will be prolonged on the land. It does not say do this so that you can be saved because ONLY faith saves.

This verse does not help you.

Rev. 14:7
“and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea and springs of waters.””
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 14:7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea and springs of waters.” | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | D

and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth, and sea and springs of waters.”

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And

Rev 18:4
“I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues;”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭18‬:‭4‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 18:4 I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive any of her plagues

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What are you trying to prove here? Does this verse proves the sabbath for the Christians? Of course not. You post a verse like this to put fear into those that do not believe as you do. This is nothing more than fear mongering typical of those pushing legalism.


Exodus 25:21
“Then you shall put the atoning cover on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭25‬:‭21‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 25:21 Then you shall put the atoning cover on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Then you shall put the atoning cover on top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony which I will give to you.

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“After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened,”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭15‬:‭5‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 15:5 After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

After these things I looked, and the temple of the tabernacle of testimony in heaven was opened

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“And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a great hailstorm.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭11‬:‭19‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 11:19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a g | New American Standard Bible -

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder, and an earthquake, and a g

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What do these verses prove? Why are you quoting these verses? Are you suggesting that we are going back to the Jewish laws regarding the tabernacle? Or are you suggesting that the ark contains the tablets of stone given to Israel during the first covenant? Do you see any mention of the ark in the NT requiring the Christian to keep the Ten Commandments on the tablets of stone? You do know about Jesus TWO love commandments that summarize the tablets of stone, right?

Exodus 31:18
“It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.” When He had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written by the finger of God.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭31‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 31:17-18 It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.” When He had finished speaking w | New American Standard Bible - N

It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed.” When He had finished speaking w

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Why didn’t you quote verse 17? Do you ignore the verses that clearly tell you the audience and who the verse is directed to? This is a perfect example of your hermeneutical disaster.

Exodus 20:6

“but showing favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.”
‭‭Exodus‬ ‭20‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Exodus 20:6 but showing favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

but showing favor to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

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Another example of ignoring the historical context. The audience here is the thousands of Jews NOT the gentiles.

Again, this verse does not help you.

Rev. 22:14
“Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they will have the right to the tree of life, and may enter the city by the gates.

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Again, how does this verse help your argument about sabbath keeping? What is your intention by quoting this verse? Are you suggesting that only those that keep the Jewish sabbath wash their robes?

I addressed every single verse that you posted in your reply to my previous post. Your argument lacks biblical evidence and your fear mongering verses are not welcomed since you are directly insulting those professed Christians that do not believe as you do.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is a typical mix of verses that do not help your case and verses that you are using to condemn those that don’t believe as you or your church does.

Psalm 89:34-
““I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭89‬:‭34‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Psalm 89:34 “I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

“I will not violate My covenant, Nor will I alter the utterance of My lips.

bible.com

He did not violate His OLD covenant but merely made a better NEW covenant. See Heb. 8.

Psa 89: 30 “If his sons forsake My law
And do not walk in My judgments,
31 If they [f]break My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
32 Then I will punish their transgression with the rod,
And their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not [g]utterly take from him,
Nor [h]allow My faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God does not change.

Why the New Covenant is established on better promises how to keep these laws based on what God will do Heb8:10 John 14:15-18 if we do not rebel

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The NC still has God's laws now written in a better location, the heart. God keeps His promises

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God's laws went from written on tables of stone to being written on tablets of the heart, if we have not harden our heart Heb7:3-19 Rom 8:7-8. What changed is the location of where they are written not the Law itself, God promised that He would not alter Psa89:34 it is the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Rev15:5 God makes no mistakes, we do.

2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

God keeps all His promises.

Its why its still a sin to break these commandments in the New Covenant

1 John3: 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. We can see the rest of the He who said, that God promised not to alter Exo 20:1-17

I guess we can wait until Jesus comes to sort this out, at that time our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

God only wrote on Testimony Exo31:18 that sits under His mercy seat in the ark of His covenant Exo 25:21 that is clearly shown in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19 these verses mean exactly what they say.

 

[JulieB67]

This is what I said

You clearly stated this in your post #184

It was not a church collection why he clearly said there will be no gatherings (on the first day)

You added (the first day) and does not state there will be no gatherings on the first day.

Where does it say churches in this verse?

Sorry, I read chapter by chaper and verse by verse so the context is complete.


I Corinthians 16:1 "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye."

Nothing about an ongoing event

Where does it state this was a "one time" event?

I'll let the fact that many things that were stated are not found in the Scriptures.

And yet you hold everyone else to a different standard. Gotcha

Paul speaks of this event in Romans too

Romans 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Romans 15:25 "But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints."

Romans 15:26 "For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the saints which are at Jerusalem."

Romans 15:27 "It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things."


Everyone knows that the early church in Jerusalem was under much pressure and many struggles. So of course collections would be sent there. But it was not a one time event. That would be impossible. He instructed other churches to do the same.

It doesn't say church, it's not a church offering.

You and I differ on what the church is. I think of it as the many membered "body" that could meet anytime and anywhere. You see it as a physical building.

And Paul states to the Corinthians that as, he told the "churches" in Galatia, so he will instruct them to do the same.

 

[Hentenza]

Psa 89: 30 “If his sons forsake My law
And do not walk in My judgments,
31 If they [f]break My statutes
And do not keep My commandments,
32 Then I will punish their transgression with the rod,
And their iniquity with stripes.
33 Nevertheless My lovingkindness I will not [g]utterly take from him,
Nor [h]allow My faithfulness to fail.
34 My covenant I will not break,
Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.

Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God does not change.

Why the New Covenant is established on better promises how to keep these laws based on what God will do Heb8:10 John 14:15-18 if we do not rebel

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

The NC still has God's laws now written in a better location, the heart. God keeps His promises

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God's laws went from written on tables of stone to being written on tablets of the heart, if we have not harden our heart Heb7:3-19 Rom 8:7-8. What changed is the location of where they are written not the Law itself, God promised that He would not alter Psa89:34 it is the Testimony of God Exo31:18 Rev15:5 God makes no mistakes, we do.

2 Cor 3:3 clearly you are an epistle of Christ, ministered by us, written not with ink but by the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of flesh, that is, of the heart.

God keeps all His promises.

Its why its still a sin to break these commandments in the New Covenant

1 John3: 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
James 2:11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. We can see the rest of the He who said, that God promised not to alter Exo 20:1-17

I guess we can wait until Jesus comes to sort this out, at that time our decisions will be sealed Rev22:11

God only wrote on Testimony Exo31:18 that sits under His mercy seat in the ark of His covenant Exo 25:21 that is clearly shown in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev 15:5 Rev 11:18-19 these verses mean exactly what they say.

Answer my post first instead of posting another c&p with different verses.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You clearly stated this in your post #184


You added (the first day) and does not state there will be no gatherings on the first day.

It says upon the first day I am not sure what is the confusion

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Sorry, I read chapter by chaper and verse by verse so the context is complete.


I Corinthians 16:1 "Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye."


Where does it state this was a "one time" event?

Where does it state its an ongoing event?

Romans 15:25 "But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints."

Romans 15:26 "For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the saints which are at Jerusalem."

Romans 15:27 "It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things."


Everyone knows that the early church in Jerusalem was under much pressure and many struggles. So of course the collections would be sent there. But it was not a one time event. That would be impossible.

Where does it state that it was an ongoing event.

You claimed it wasn't for the needy, but the Scriptures I provided said otherwise, its not a church gathering or a church offering. It was an event to help the poor in Christ. Something all churches should do, I know ours does, it doesn't mean it changes God's Sabbath. We would need God to do that and He , only He can reverse His Blessing Num23:20 and sanctification, He said would not Psa89:34 Mat5:18

You and I differ on what the church is. I think of it as the many membered "body" you see it as a physical building.

Its both according to Jesus. Mat 21:13 Isa 56:6-7 why the apostles were building and setting up churches.

And Paul states to the Corinthians that as, he told the "churches" in Galatia, so he will instruct them to do the same.

Sure, he instructed the churches on many things, doesn't mean its starts deleting God's commandments. Paul came after Jesus ratified His covenant, a change in God's covenant would require the sacrifice of Jesus all over again and His sacrifice was once and for all Heb10:10. Its one of the reasons I think we have a warning about Paul's writings, when we make them try to say the opposite of what Jesus who is God taught and lived. Paul was commissioned to spread the gospel, not change God's commandments that He said He would not., He faithfully followed the commandments of God and said we should keep them too he said breaking them dishonors God Rom 2:21-23 makes one an enmity to God Rom8:7-8 and is sin Rom7:7. Paul is not God, he was a servant as we are called to be Isa56:6 and a servant is not greater than their Master i.e. God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Answer my post first instead of posting another c&p with different verses.

Do you write out every verse from Scripture on every post? I imagine you c/p those as well.

 

[Hentenza]

Do you write out every verse from Scripture on every post? I imagine you c/p those as well.

No. I only quote the relevant verses. I have no c&p’s. And you still have not answered my post.